Most unusual gun registration proposal

[gejohnston]

http://www.ksdk.com/rss/article/358395/3/Mo-proposal-makes-parents-tell-schools-about-gun-supply

While I have no problem with safe storage laws, registering guns with your kids' school is ummmmmmm different. My kids are grown, so I would be exempt.

[JohnnyBoots]

1. What would happen if

people don't comply. If it is public school then it is backdoor government registration.

[gejohnston]

2. hundred dollar fine and applies to private schools too

but would only apply if you have kids at that school. I'm guessing the chances of it passing the MO state leg is about zero.

[JohnnyBoots]

4. Why not parents with DUI's?

Or felon records? That seems like a more imminent threat to me.

[gejohnston]

6. Guns are in vouge

DUI is so 1970s
depends on the felony and how old the conviction.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

3. Actually not so far-fetched....

Children bring guns into schools, sometimes with tragic results. Here in FL a 12-yer-old brought his grandfather's gun into school and killed a well-loved teacher. That child is serving life in prison. (If you ask me, gramps should be serving right along side of him) Wasn't it just last week that a child brought a gun into his elementary school?

[gejohnston]

5. the one last week IIRC

was in NYC, I doubt he got it from home. IIRC, Florida's safe storage makes it something like a five hundred dollar fine for allowing a minor access. I don't know what the grandfather would be charged with, nor do I know the details of that case. Maybe FL safe storage should be a felony if child commits a crime or have the penalty be the same. It may or may not be constitutional or just, I don't have an opinion either way, I do know the odds of such a bill landing on Rick Scott's desk is less than zero.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

8. FL safe storage laws are pure BS

"could be subject to either 60 days in jail of $1,000 fine" The operative word being could. They've done squat to keep guns out of the hands of minors.

[HockeyMom]

7. Florida is INSANE with guns

I was a TA in Pre-K classes. We had to bring Birthday Cakes to the Cafeteria so they could cut them there WITH A KNIFE. We ended up telling parents to bring CUPCAKES for birthdays because we could not cut them. Yet, teachers with GUNS should be allowed????? Insane in this state.

[gejohnston]

9. Florida is insane with zero tolerance policies

I'm sure you had cases of aspirin being treated like heroin. The most bizarre was that my kid's now former high school had to stop teaching Greek mythology because it was "evangelizing for Zeus"

[Sekhmets Daughter]

11. C'mon

Evangelizing for Zeus? That is really crazy.

I understand the aspirin nonsense. When my kids were in school, it was common for the kids on Ritalin to sell their pills to other kids who would crush them up and snort them like cocaine. It became quite a problem until thy got tough with the pills.

[gejohnston]

15. We are talking Citrus County

strange combination of former New Yorkers and folks who still think that Buchanan (our first gay president) is still in office. If it were up to me, wife is from here, I would be shoveling snow in Wyoming right now.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

16. That's a cultural change...

or do I mean a climate change?

[gejohnston]

18. climate and culture

I like my culture better. Floridian by marriage and Wyomingite by birth and grace of God.
The diving and taking pics of the manatee is cool, but the culture here sucks.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

20. Well, I find it lacking compared to NYC

what do you find so different? Were you near Bridger Nat'l Forest?

[gejohnston]

21. southwest corner

in Red Desert basin. I did go camping in Bridger National Forest as a kid.
I meant culture as in the culture of the people. But yeah, the place could use a good chamber orchestra. I like the museums, libraries etc cities offer and I can live in city core, but I'm a hick at heart. Couldn't do the suburban thing.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

23. Suburban NJ

with its super easy commute to NYC is great. I'm sorry we left 25 years ago. The kids were so young, they now consider FL home and have established themselves here. I can live just about anywhere with broadband internet access and FL is not bad for a retirees.

[HockeyMom]

22. I agree on both as a native New Yorker

in very red Collier. Talk about both climate and culture shock. I would rather shovel snow at 64 years old. No, I don't need to turn on the heat when the temp goes to 52 (not typo) degrees. Yes, we HAD knives to cut birthday cakes in NEW YORK, 30 miles from Ground Zero after 2001. NO, nobody ever thought teachers should carry guns to school either.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

24. LOL...

I've been here 25 years, grew up in Brooklyn, moved here from NJ. I'll be 65 next month. I do miss the NYC...don't get back often enough, but I'll take a pass on the snow shoveling.

[holdencaufield]

12. You don't want your kids turning into a bunch of Zeusians...

Zues supports adultery, bestiality, and does NOT conserve electricity.

Additionally, he's a notorious anti-Titanist.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

10. We moved to Palm Beach County with 3 young children in 1987...

You couldn't bake treats for the children, you had to buy them and they had to come into the school in the sealed bakery boxes. The excuse given was that someone baked a batch of brownies into which they mixed marijuana.... I never believed it myself. What it accomplished was that children who were bused in from poor AA neighborhoods were made to feel even less welcome when thy couldn't bring in 30 to 35 cupcakes for their birthday. FL uses the gun laws for population control if you ask me.

[gejohnston]

13. compared to where I'm from,

Florida gun laws are quite strict.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

14. Laws are strict when they are enforced...

If not enforced, they are just empty words taking up space on a page.

[gejohnston]

17. Florida has a three day waiting period

and open carry laws that are weird. But then seeing Florida game wardens as heavily armed as city cops seemed odd to me too.
Wyoming has none of that.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

19. I remember you remarking about the armed game wardens...

on thread a while back. I didn't think about it at the time, but I suspect it is because we are such an entry port for drugs of all types. I'm in Palm Beach County...the super rich live cheek-by-jowl with the very poor and drugs are the scourge of existence here.

[JohnnyBoots]

25. I thought

open carry was illegal down here in FL? Can't wait to move back up north to NH. 19 months to go!

[gejohnston]

27. as I understand it

you can open carry during hunting season in a hunting area and while fishing.
So, as I understand it, you can be anywhere with a fishing pole in the water, you can.

[madville]

32. Open carry is legal in certain situations

Like hunting, fishing, trapping, recreational shooting and in transit to/from such activities. You can also open carry on your property and in your place of business.

[Eleanors38]

38. A game warden's job in Florida has a reputation of being very risky.

I grew up in Alachua County (G'ville, U. of F.). I enjoyed it there through undergrad school, moved to Austin where I now reside. I still go back to Gainesville twice a year to visit family. You are within 2 hours of either coast, plenty of interiors lakes (not tanks), near rivers, springs, hunting/fishing, and plenty of "cultural" amenities connected with U.F. And Gainesville finally has some good restaurants. Let the tourists have the cities and South Florida; I do my stomping around in N. Florida and small swimming/fishing places on the coasts.

The reputation comes from the early days of regulated sport hunting, and the eventual banning of alligator and bird taking which was the foundation of market hunts, esp. in the 'glades. Game wardens were often attacked and some killed. This is less a problem than it once was, but the rep. still continues. When camping out on the lawn of Tigert Hall (Ad. bldg. at U.F.) during the Kent State demonstrations (1970), there was a rumor that Gov. Claude Kirk (R) was going to send the game wardens in and run us out, but cooler heads prevailed, esp. with the Sheriff's Dept. and Gainesville PD. Everybody made it out okay!

[gejohnston]

40. Wyoming only lost one in the line of duty

in 1913. My first thoughts were "shit, these people are willing to shoot it out over having a couple of fish over the limit" or "those woods must be full of meth labs". Some game wardens out west like Wyoming are starting to wear their pistols now mostly because of stumbling across meth labs and cattle rustlers (I once read Florida has one of the highest rates. Certainly easier to do. Open range requires work.) have become more, shall we say, "connected".
Gainsville is OK but too big for my taste. I lean towards Ocala. My son likes the industrial scene in Tampa, I lean more towards the MacDill NCO club.

[petronius]

26. What use could the school actually make of this information?

Segregate the children of gun owners, or otherwise treat them differently? Lock-down when those parents come on campus? Prevent those parents from being volunteers or chaperones or whatever? There's no logical benefit or purpose to the school having this info.

Schools should certainly feel free to provide all sorts of health, safety, and behavior information to parents, and parents and school personnel can/should watch for warning signs, but everything useful can be done whether or not the the school knows anything about parents' private property...

[guardian]

34. the antigunners would use the information

to shame the children. I can hear it now. "Little Jimmy's dad is a gun nut with a little penis. Do you have a little penis Jimmy? Let's form a student committee to search Jimmy every morning to make sure he is not in possession of a gun."

[oneshooter]

41. They could take out a full page ad in the paper.

[guardian]

28. I would not comply

These are the same dill holes that suspend kindergartner students for having a soap bubble gun or pointing a finger and saying "bang". They are morons. The less they know about me the better. Civil disobedience worked for Gandhi. This seems like a good reason to employ the same tactic.

[Ashgrey77]

29. +1 n/t

[holdencaufield]

30. Assuming your weapons are not already registred ...

... how would anyone know?

"Kids, we're going to play a game. Raise your hand if mummy or daddy have a gun at home"

[iiibbb]

33. Hack your child's brain....

... always call a chainsaw a gun.

... or buy a nail gun...

[guardian]

35. Another reason that I will not comply

with gun registration.

[iiibbb]

31. Interesting idea

But (a) I don't trust anyone with my information... that's really my fundamental problem with registration. There are people out there either wishing to harm me on one side, or wishing to embarrass me for political reasons on the other.

(b) don't assume the threat is going to come from a kid with a gun in the home. School administrators are notoriously lazy and heavy handed when provided certain information.

[Floridaphatman]

36. OK how about this

What if there was a law that stated that if you have guns that are not properly secured and a family member commits a crime with them then You are also equally guilty of the same crime???
That might get some guns locked up.

[gejohnston]

37. as long as there is a specific definition of properly secured

that doesn't involve defeating a safe, alarm, etc. being equal to being "improperly secured." Yes, we had a few press that. There was actually a machine gun collector in Toronto a few years ago who was charged with improper storage after thieves defeated a vault with motion detectors.

[Eleanors38]

39. Ve-l-l-ly interesting. But stupid. nt