Feinstein's 150-ish proposed banned firearms list.

[Serve The Servants]

Last edited Sat Jan 26, 2013, 01:10 AM - Edit history (1)

If you own any of the following firearms, you will NOT be allowed to attend the DU Spring formal...

RIFLES:

All AK types, including the following: AK, AK47, AK47S, AK–74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR–47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK–47, VEPR, WASR–10, and WUM, IZHMASH Saiga AK, MAADI AK47 and ARM, Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S, Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS.

All AR types, including the following: AR–10, AR–15, Armalite M15 22LR Carbine, Armalite M15–T, Barrett REC7, Beretta AR–70, Bushmaster ACR, Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster MOE series, Bushmaster XM15, Colt Match Target Rifles, DoubleStar AR rifles, DPMS Tactical Rifles, Heckler & Koch MR556, Olympic Arms, Remington R–15 rifles, Rock River Arms LAR–15, Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles, Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles, Stag Arms AR rifles, Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 rifles; Barrett M107A1; Barrett M82A1; Beretta CX4 Storm; Calico Liberty Series; CETME Sporter; Daewoo K–1, K–2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C; Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000; Feather Industries AT–9; Galil Model AR and Model ARM; Hi-Point Carbine; HK–91, HK–93, HK–94, HK–PSG–1 and HK USC; Kel-Tec Sub–2000, SU–16, and RFB; SIG AMT, SIG PE–57, Sig Sauer SG 550, and Sig Sauer SG 551; Springfield Armory SAR–48; Steyr AUG; Sturm, Ruger Mini-14 Tactical Rife M–14/20CF.

All Thompson rifles, including the following: Thompson M1SB, Thompson T1100D, Thompson T150D, Thompson T1B, Thompson T1B100D, Thompson T1B50D, Thompson T1BSB, Thompson T1–C, Thompson T1D, Thompson T1SB, Thompson T5, Thompson T5100D, Thompson TM1, Thompson TM1C; UMAREX UZI Rifle; UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine; Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78; Vector Arms UZI Type; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.

PISTOLS:

All AK–47 types, including the following: Centurion 39 AK pistol, Draco AK–47 pistol, HCR AK–47 pistol, IO Inc. Hellpup AK–47 pistol, Krinkov pistol, Mini Draco AK–47 pistol, Yugo Krebs Krink pistol.

All AR–15 types, including the following: American Spirit AR–15 pistol, Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol, DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol, DPMS AR–15 pistol, Olympic Arms AR–15 pistol, Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol; Calico Liberty pistols; DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol; Encom MP–9 and MP–45; Heckler & Koch model SP-89 pistol; Intratec AB–10, TEC–22 Scorpion, TEC–9, and TEC–DC9; Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol.

The following MAC types: MAC–10, MAC–11; Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol; Military Armament Corp. Ingram M–11, Velocity Arms VMAC; Sig Sauer P556 pistol; Sites Spectre.

All Thompson types, including the following: Thompson TA510D, Thompson TA5.

All UZI types, including: Micro-UZI.

SHOTGUNS:

Franchi LAW–12 and SPAS 12

All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following: IZHMASH Saiga 12, IZHMASH Saiga 12S, IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP–01, IZHMASH Saiga 12K, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–030, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–040 Taktika; Streetsweeper; Striker 12.

BELT-FED FIREARMS:

All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms including TNW M2HB.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/2013/jan/25/miller-feinsteins-157-banned-guns-list/

Edit: List within original post was duplicated

[OffWithTheirHeads]

1. Good luck with that.

[Glaug-Eldare]

2. What a boon to gun rights.

This (and the state version) is igniting people we've been struggling to reach for years -- hunters and paper-punchers had been tricked into thinking they weren't on the gun control radar, but the three words "Assault Weapons Ban" are triggering a massive surge in interest. Thanks, Feinstein! Hope it doesn't bite the party in the ass -- best case, it'll wind up replacing anti-2A Dems with pro-2A Dems.

[GreenStormCloud]

3. Massive overreach.

She is calling the Ruger Mini-14 an AR type rifle.

[krispos42]

5. It's a Garand-type rifle

But there I go again, posting facts.

[Clames]

6. Hmmmm...Garand type rifle...

...I'm glad I have the real thing...




Beretta CX4? That has absolutely nothing to do with the AR platform. It isn't even a rifle, it's a pistol caliber carbine. That bill is nothing but a laughable mess.

[guardian]

22. ooooooooooooh

I see you have one of those scary looking "assault slings". Of course it should be banned.

[Clames]

30. Assault sling, bayonet lug,...

...and even uses 8-round en bloc "assault clips"...just a nearly 60 year old chunk of evil...

[tularetom]

14. Not the Mini 14 ranch rifle

The one that actually resembles an M14.



Apparently the proposed ban only applies to the tactical version (20CF)



Which has a 20 round magazine but oddly enough no flash suppressor.

Makes no sense to me either.

[rdharma]

85. Anders Breivik ring a bell?

[link:http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4701469640427672&pid=1.7|

Ruger Mini-14

[gejohnston]

86. still not an AR type

an AR type refers to the design by Eugene Stoner and originally made by Armilite and later Colt. The AR stands for Armilite Rifle. There is another AR, also designed by Stoner, that isn't used as a combat rifle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-7

While the Mini is a semi automatic carbine, it isn't an AR type.

[rdharma]

87. I've built ARs

I've built ARs and I've owned Ruger Minis. What's your point?

[Duckhunter935]

4. an AR-15

chambered in 22LR is really an assault weapon, might put an eye out. not a lot bigger than a pellet gun projectile.

[holdencaufield]

38. Careful

There was an entire thread in Meta dedicated to calling me a "ghoul" because I suggested a BB Gun might put out an eye.

[rdharma]

84. I've personally witnessed 3 people killed by .22LRs

A mother and infant murdered..... and one old man suicide (took him several days to die).

Yup! They'll sure 'nuff put an eye out.

[sarisataka]

7. She missed a few

that are functionally identical; I don't see any need to point them out by name

Likely that list is longer than the total number of crimes committed in the last year using such weapons.

[bubbayugga]

8. BHAAAHAHAHA, we're gonna take all your toys away!

Waaaaaa! Not my AR15!!! Waaaaa!

[nick of time]

13. No they're not.

The AWB will not make it through the Senate or the House and even IF it did, it confiscates nothing and gun makers would just reconfigure and rename those banned rifles and it would be legal to sell and own them.

[Duckhunter935]

16. Nope

I have my big scary black plastic covered gun in my safe right now. And since it is an AR platform, I can get new upper receivers in different calibers and have many different weapons.

[bubbayugga]

18. We'll get those eventually too, don't worry.

[friendly_iconoclast]

20. What "we"? You going to volunteer to be on a gun seizure squad?

More likely the Cheney-Romney Brigade:

"This is a war that I fully support other people fighting in"

[bubbayugga]

24. I'll be right behind them.

in spirit of course.

[friendly_iconoclast]

28. "I'll be right behind them....in spirit of course". IOW, a Cheney/Romney-style chickenhawk.

Not that you'd be alone, mind you- most gun Prohibitionists here also expect others to put their lives
on the line for them...

[holdencaufield]

39. So brave ...

... your folks must be proud.

[bubbayugga]

59. LOL. As if I would care.

[cherokeeprogressive]

58. "Seizure Squad" soooo appropos. n/t

[iiibbb]

62. Apoplectic squad

[nonwo]

68. Pro-rights

Although, I agree essentially, I don't believe definitions (not a right) should be changed for a class of folks. I have no problem setting up another class or category of marriage. If you want to call it "gay-marriage" so be it.
Pretty soon "milk" will mean and include "vine".

[Agschmid]

71. Well fall on my sword...

Guess it's good that we just put all the gays into a corner and not let us marry but less us gay marry... and hey this USED to be liberal discussion board.

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[uppityperson]

72. Well hell, you should've gay-alerted. That is a bad jury results as bigotry SHOULD noy be

Accepted as du community standards.

[Agschmid]

73. New time I'll just write...

"gay alert" as my comment haha I love that.

[bench scientist]

75. i did too

At Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:38 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

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Homophobic. 2 post ,poster is claiming to be "pro-rights" then goes on to state how "gay marriage" should be set up a another class or category of marriage. This is separate but equal thinking, which is discriminatory. The current platform of the Democratic party is for inclusion , and equality of marriage not exclusionary separate civil unions.

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[Agschmid]

80. Much better worded alert!

I will work on that for next time and hopefully get some of the bigotry off DU. Thanks!

[bench scientist]

82. we got our work cut out for us I'm afraid !

[iiibbb]

74. Civil unions for everyone

Government should not be in the "marriage" business.

....and from a practical standpoint everyone will call it marriage anyway.

[Starboard Tack]

77. I can actually get my head around that.

The key being "for everyone" as far as government is concerned. Leave marriage to those who want a religious/spiritual ceremony, and leave all government out of it. Cohabitants should be all be afforded the same rights and privileges, regardless of gender, race, religion/creed, ethnicity or sexual preference.

[iiibbb]

79. precisely, government is for the legal side

Ironically got to this point when I married a Jew an the state wouldn't certify either officiant. (on short notice whe we found out out-of-state officiants had to be certified.... p i t a) ... so the Rabbi presided, but the County guy witnessed it, and was technically the guy who married us.

Both the Rabbi and my minister would have preferred not having to deal with the legal crap anyway, preferring the separation of church and state.

So unions on the legal side..... Marriages on whatever other side you happen to stand.

But everyone knows (well almost everyone- my MiL would be pissed if she knew the rabbi hadn't signed the state's marriage certificate shhhhhhh) it's just semantics at that point.

[Fearless]

78. Same-sex marriage has existed

Just as long as "traditional" marriage. It is a very short-sighted (literally short-sighted) view that marriage should be reserved to one man and one woman simply because it is currently the norm accepted in parts of the US.

You try to suggest the classic "slippery slope" argument, that one tiny thing will cause large drastic things to happen. Of course, the "slippery slope" is not an evidence-based assertion, but rather an argument based on individuals' fears, which exaggerate and distort the truth into a fictitious web of half-truths and abject unthruths, rather than scientific discovery or in the very least introspection. You might as well suggest that marriage equality will lead to cats and dogs getting married. That is about as accurate as a slippery slope argument can be at any rate.

[Agschmid]

81. Good post. n/t

[nick of time]

21. Are you here to debate honestly

or are you here to just troll and cause trouble?

[bubbayugga]

23. Honest debate?

[spin]

19. I hate to burst your bubble ...

but most political experts do not believe that Assault Weapons Ban II will even pass in the Senate.

I feel there is a slight chance if Obama will actually use his bully pulpit and mobilize his base to support this legislation. Obama will take a significant political risk if he decides to take a real leadership role on this issue and use his considerable oratory skills to truly push for another ban. If he were to lose it would weaken his ability to pass other very important legislation such as immigration reform.

You have to simply look at political reality to understand the magnitude of the problem. Twenty Democratic Senators from red states face reelection in the midterm elections. Their political careers may come to an abrupt end if they support extremely strong gun control. Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader, has a long and quite favorable relationship with the NRA. If Obama leaves the assault weapons ban up to Reid there is a fair chance that this legislation will fail and the best you can hope for is another useless watered down piece of legislation.

As difficult as it may be for Obama to force the assault weapons ban through the Senate it faces a harder road in the Republican controlled House.

It's my opinion that Obama will start by supporting the new assault weapons ban and will use it as a bargaining chip to get some realistic improvements in our national gun laws.

The best hope for the gun control movement in my opinion is to focus on changing gun laws in those states where there is strong support for gun control. As long as the laws do not exceed the limits recently established by the Supreme Court that plan might work.

Of course events might change the equation. A couple more mass shootings in schools or theaters might lead to the tremendous public support necessary to force legislation through Congress. I'm sure even the strongest gun control supporters do not hope for this anymore than the strongest gun rights supporters.

Time will tell.

[Puha Ekapi]

9. The Ruger Mini-14

tactical is on the ban list, but the Ruger Ranch Rifle is not. They are functionally identical, right down to rate of fire, caliber, and magazine compatibility. This bill isn't about public safety, it is about legislating a Fuck You to gun owners.

[tjnite]

83. Correct.

I personally believe someone shouldnt try to legislate something that they have little knowledge about

[krispos42]

10. The Mini-14.

So this one is banned by name...




But not this one...



Or this one...



Or this one!





Of course, I can take all the Picatinney rails from the first one and add them to the others without a problem.

[Puha Ekapi]

15. I prefer

a rifle with a conventional grip anyways. It's what I'm used to and just feels right in the hand. And if I was of a mind to, which I'm not, it's actually better for "firing from the hip" than a pistol grip. Senator Feinstein has a strange fixation with hip firing and pistol grips, for some unfathomable reason.

[gejohnston]

31. Rambo movies

her favorite scene is where he fires an M-60 from the hip.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

45. Maybe in a future movie...

...Feinstein will make an appearance hip firing a ma' deuce.

[Puha Ekapi]

49. That would

make her a very Rude Toter

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

51. Actually...

...after the latest installment, I was expecting her to appear in the next James Bond movie. It seems a certain character with attributes matching a few of the Senator's has left.

Don't all California politicians have an interest in acting?

[Duckhunter935]

17. bubbayugga or others out there?

can you explain this craziness?

[krispos42]

25. I think it's culture war.

People that own guns for self-defense think a lot about killing people. Of course, it's in self defense, but it doesn't change the fact that people that own guns for self defense think a lot about it.

They study periodicals that discuss the latest hardware with which to kill people. They read periodicals that discuss close-combat techniques to effectively kill people. They read periodicals that keeps them informed on the best ammunition to use to kill people. They read periodicals to find out how bullet wounds affect the human body.

They practice killing people with guns, at a shooting range. Some of they routinely carry hidden guns for the express purpose of killing people. They hash out scenarios with other people that also think about killing.

They purchase accessories to mount on their guns to help them kill people in the dark. They purchase accessories to mount on their guns to help them shoot people without aiming.

They practice killing people, at home, with unloaded guns. They create fantasy people breaking into their house and holding their children or their spouse hostage so they can fantasize about killing them. They keep loaded guns, or guns able to be loaded very quickly, at hand, so they can quickly kill people



This drives some people absolutely irrational. They hate that their society, that they live in and their kids and parents and family lives in, is full of people like this. That they drive past houses full of guns on a regular basis. That these people are with them at Starbucks and McDonald's and Big Y and the car wash and the gym.

They don't want to be around people that think so much about killing. They want to stop people from thinking about killing people. And they think that if they use the power of government to disarm the people, that by denying people the most effective tool of self-defense, they will also eliminate all that thinking about killing people, and thus make society safer and less fearful


That's my opinion, at any rate.

[iiibbb]

42. I can see it...

Some people get hung up on math.

I got a gun for self defense. I thought about killing someone only enough to know that if it came down to it that I would actually use it. I practice with guns just to make sure that I am proficient, safe, and have an idea how to use a gun properly.

I don't like thinking about killing people. It gives me the heebie jeebies... but there are circumstances that I have been in that if faced again, I'd want access to a gun.

But I think way beyond that. I think about entire scenarios. I give a lot of consideration about what not to do.


The net result of all of this thinking. I now have an intolerance for realistic crime drama, horror films, and war movies.


But if someone comes into my house and I feel threatened for my life. I have no question about what I'm willing to do to protect myself, my wife, or my kids.

[jmg257]

44. Excellent post. I tried this a while back with regards to fear & its affects

in all this, in choosing weapons, calibers, ammo, reading material etc. etc., and even in the willingness to break the law if need be - to be better prepared.

On edit: I also have seen that if one was to stop thinking about it so much, they will stop...worrying about it so much. And also how things like talk about banning guns gets people interested in getting guns.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

48. Denial is the order of the day.

Personal combat is distasteful and beneath a 1%er. They have menials for that.

USMC gun-fighting rules numbers:
24. Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
25. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
26. Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Why is it that some individuals can recognize the evil of tyrants like Stalin and regimes like the Taliban and the wisdom of preparing for and working against them but not neighborhood criminal crackheads and rapists? Could it that they've lived for too long with paid security, body guards and, in some cases, a Secret Service detail?

In 1879 Canadian novelist William McDonnell wrote what has become known as the "True Believer" principle:
"There are none so positive as those who are but half right."

More to the point of those high and mighty control seeking "benevolent" tyrants, Benjamin Whichcote created the "Blowhards Principle":
"There are none so empty as those who are full of themselves."

[Deep13]

34. unbelievable.

So which army uses Mini-14s?

[krispos42]

35. None, to my knowledge

It was entered in Army trials way back in the '60s. It's called the "Mini-14" because it's a smaller version of the M-14 rifle that was the Army's primary firearm of the time. But it was beat out by the AR-15.

[Deep13]

57. Right, that's my point...

...it's not a military-pattern rifle.

[krispos42]

60. Which doesn't really matter.

It's a meaningless distinction. That Mini-14 is dressed up pretty much exactly the way it would look it if it was military-issue. Hell, I think it actually has an AR-15 adjustable buttstock on it. And it's a semi-auto rifle fed from a detachable magazine. It even can shoot the exact same ammo the military uses. And if Ruger did a little work on it, probably from the exact same magazine.

[Deep13]

61. Well, I'm not so concerned with how they look...

...but if they are going to create an "assault weapon" category with the rationale that they are only for the military, then it should only contain firearms that are civilian versions of ones used by militaries.

I notice they have Kel-tec models on the list too. Those were never intended for military use.

[oneshooter]

63. Ruger AC556 rifle

http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=113

No longer in production.

[holdencaufield]

40. Munchkinland?

More of a militia than a standing army ...

[joe_sixpack]

55. Give them time n/t

n/t

[Glaug-Eldare]

11. Couldn't they just simplify the whole thing

and say "firearms made with black or camo plastic and sharp corners?"

[krispos42]

27. So then this is okay?

[Deep13]

33. Wow! Nice wood grain.

Must be heavy for an AR.

[krispos42]

36. Dunno, I found it on the interwebz.

I imagine it's not too bad.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

65. Probably wood-grain plastic

Like the dashboard of my '74 Oldsmobile.

Real wood would be too weak, especially the handguard (or whatever that thing toward the front is called).

[oneshooter]

66. Real wood stocks

http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/stock-forend-parts/furniture-sets/ar-15-m16-wood-stock-sets-prod38906.aspx?ttver=2

http://www.precisionfirearms.com/19.html

http://www.ar15wood.com/

Or if you want to make your hunting rifle into a "assault weapon"

http://www.rifle-stocks.com/sporter_hunting_styles.htm

[Glaug-Eldare]

37. Sure!

They'll get to it later.

[petronius]

12. Very unfortunate. I thought Biden was doing a good job, and the WH list of EAs was

generally well-thought out. This sort of knee-jerk thought-free legislation is a step backward...

[doc03]

26. Fine with me I don't have any, need any, have a use

for or want any of them.

[gejohnston]

29. that is just the specifically named list

it also would all pistols where the magazine well is outside the grip. California did the same thing, but amended it to exclude specific pistols used in the Olympics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_GSP

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=30001-31000&file=30500-30530

Oh yeah, a Walther P22 is banned too unless you get an unthreaded barrel. I do own one of those.

[doc03]

56. Don't want those either n/t

[Deep13]

32. So all that for the tiny minority of shootings committed with rifles.

Nothing .22LR should be on that list.

[Duckhunter935]

54. I agree

but it is about the looks and not the power or function.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

41. lol

seriously. lol

[ileus]

43. Good thing she clamped down on those Belt-Fed firearms.

Danger Danger....


Hopefully this will get stopped in its tracks.

[raidert05]

46. If it did...

there would just be a whole lot of the same guns with all new names

[quadrature]

47. Mini-14, just change the name. nt

[Puha Ekapi]

50. Introducing...

...the new Ruger Mini 41!

[quadrature]

64. is ' mini-14 tactical' stamped into the receiver?

if not, just change barrels

[Buzz Clik]

52. 1, 15, 150. I hope it sticks. It is time!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

67. If it does stick....

...may I recommend:

[dkf]

53. The manufacturers must be happy happy happy today.

She just created a massive demand with low probably of passage. Very self defeating.

[happyslug]

70. OH NO THE AR-7 IS AN AR RIFLE AND THIS MUST BE INCLUDED

Yes, the Dreaded AR-7 used by James Bond!!!

The act states under rifles "All AR types" (under pistols it list ALL AR-15 Types). Since the AR-7 is an AR Rifle it must be included in the ban!!! The Dreaded 22 long rifle must be preventing from being fired AGAIN!!!!

Just a comment on how badly this law is written, and for that reason we can assume the Author really has no plans for this law to pass, it is just to show she introduced something, that what she introduced is worthless is not important for her introduction clearly shows the Senator also knows such a law would never pass.

U-Tube clip from "From Russia with Love" the 1963 James Bond movie where the AR-7 is used:

[sigmasix]

76. not neccessary

None of this would be happening if the NRA and thier teabagger supporters hadn't spent the last twenty years destroying the regulatory arm of the government. The NRA and gun fetishists are reaping what they have sewn. Radical right wing nuts with unlimited guns, ammo and conspiracy theories about government take-overs, are bad for democracy. The continued existence of the racists and child molestors on the board of directors for the NRA should inform any open minded person as to the true aims and concerns of the NRA.
Having a gun hobby does not make you a public servant or more patriotic or more intelligent; it just makes you a gun collector. And well-adjusted adults are expressing legitimate concerns when they wonder why a grown-up would be so obsessed with tools of death that they think they have a right to as many guns and as much ammo as they can get thier hands-on. Supporting the radical right wing racists of the NRA is not a defense of American liberties and constitutional rights; it's just old-fashioned racism and bigotry infused with new, fear-fueled NRA conspiracy theories. Fienstien doesnt expect a word of this to pass and we all know this. The Teabagger "Obama's gonna git our guns" radicals introduce extreme legislation too- the big difference is that teabaggers are getting thier extremist legislation passed, while gun nuts are whining and distracting Americans from the real usurpation of rights being orchestrated by the NRA's favorite demographic; fear-filled gun fetishists and right wing faux "news" fans. If we could just get a grown-up to come forward from the gun fetishists so we can have a reasonable discussion about gun-linked fatalities and injuries in America and ways we can cut back on them without all of the government take-over conspiracy mongering. I own a gun too, but it certainly didnt bestow me, or anyone else with any special powers or information about government goons coming to take my gun- gun nuts should really stop trying to make the claim that gun ownership makes them more responsible as well. Every accidental discharge of a legally registered gun is commited by a formally responsible gun owner.

I know- you gun fetishists claim that Gomer's rifle in his pick up is the only thing protecting Americans from president blackenstien, but it just isnt true.