Progressives attack Mitch McConnell again on guns

[Eugene]

Source: Yahoo! News

Progressives attack Mitch McConnell again on guns

By Rachel Rose Hartman, Yahoo! News | The Ticket – 3 hrs ago

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell is on the wrong side of an assault weapons ban, a progressive group argues Monday in a new attack ad released in the congressman’s home state of Kentucky.

Gary Nutt, a Vietnam veteran and hunter from Cub Run, Ky., says in the commercial, paid for by the Progressive Change Campaign Committee (PCCC), that last season he killed one deer with one shot. "I’d be a pretty bad hunter if I needed an assault rifle to shoot that buck,” Nutt said.

The ad hits out at McConnell, up for re-election in 2014, for taking money from the gun industry. The ad debuts ahead of a Senate hearing this week on an assault weapons ban—something President Barack Obama's administration wants after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. The committee believes McConnell's opposition to a ban could lead to loss of votes for him this year.

The ad is set to run on broadcast and cable in Lexington, Louisville, Bowling Green and rural Paducah markets and has an initial buy of $25,000, according to the committee. Monday's ad brings the total spent by the PCCC on McConnell to $100,000.

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[jmg257]

1. Sheesh - a hunter talking about need & assault rifles for hunting...that will go over well.

Hate when they cloud valid issues with stupidity.

And bringing out the Fudds does not help....only galvanizes the gunners all the more. These guys never heard of Jim Zumbo?

[gejohnston]

2. One question

Gary Nutt, a Vietnam veteran and hunter from Cub Run, Ky., says in the commercial, paid for by the Progressive Change Campaign Committee (PCCC), that last season he killed one deer with one shot. "I’d be a pretty bad hunter if I needed an assault rifle to shoot that buck,” Nutt said.

What kind of rifle did he use? If he used a semi auto with a wooden stock, like this he is being hypocritical.

There are differing opinions, but they are used in target matches as well. The second amendment isn't about hunting or trap. The quote sounds scripted like the actors in ads.

[frylock]

4. regardless of the material used for the stock..

he didn't need jungle-taped 30 rd mags to bag that deer. and yeh, we get it. the 2A is there so that folks can stave off Obama's Black Death Squads.

[gejohnston]

5. most states ban more than five rounds

magazines for hunting. I know Wyoming and Florida does. I thought it was to stave off Bush's Neo Con squads.

[Eleanors38]

18. You, too can check your local hunting laws (if that is relevant to 2A).

"Assault weapons" won't be banned for the simple expedient they can't be creditably defined, and pols now know this.

Even if some pols resurrect a Feinsteinian "tail fins-on-a-semi-auto carbine" ban, the fins & chrome will be dropped, and a new Medusa will emerge. And other pols know this as well.

2A is not about hunting. You should know that.

[frylock]

21. i never said 2A is about hunting, but people use these weapons for hunting regardless..

in your opinion, is 2A for overthrowing OUR govt, or defending our shores from the tyrannical govt of the british empire?

[Eleanors38]

22. Neither. 2A is about defense against any tyranny as well as self-defense.

[frylock]

23. so do you need 30 rd mags for self defense?

[spin]

24. Standard magazines for the AR-15 hold 20 or 30 rounds. ...

If a criminal is attacking me with an AR-15 he will probably have a standard magazine in his weapon. Why should I be required to have fewer rounds in my magazine than he does?

Admittedly the chance of my ever being attacked by a individual armed with an AR-15 is less than the chance that I will win the Florida Lottery. Also at this time I do not own a AR-15 as I see little use for it as a self defense weapon in the small town where I live. If I move to a rural area, I may decided to buy one for hog hunting on my property as well as self defense.

[frylock]

25. If a criminal is attacking me with an AR-15?!

you watch too many movies. under what circumstance do you believe that a criminal will attack you with an AR-15? Are you a drug dealer? You may as well use the zombie apocalypse as an excuse. But let's entertain for a moment the ridiculous assumption that a criminal will attack you with an AR-15. What precautions have taken to ensure that you don't harm your neighbors when staving off this hypothetical criminal with an AR-15?

[spin]

29. Obviously you didn't bother to read all of my post. ...

I covered the points you mentioned in this part.

Admittedly the chance of my ever being attacked by a individual armed with an AR-15 is less than the chance that I will win the Florida Lottery. Also at this time I do not own a AR-15 as I see little use for it as a self defense weapon in the small town where I live. If I move to a rural area, I may decide to buy one for hog hunting on my property as well as self defense.

Because I live in a small town I have a double barreled 12 gauge coach gun for serous home defense. (Note: I would never fire warning shots into the air as our Vice President recently suggested. That might land me in jail in Florida. (Ref: http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/11/justice/florida-stand-ground-sentencing)

Also I don't believe I've watched one movie in the last month. I mainly watch news, history and science programs I occasionally like the watch a realistic action film but unfortunately they are few and far between.

[Eleanors38]

28. I can't, but then I don't have a semi-auto which can use more then 10. But someone else...

may differ with my self-defense choices, and if the culture of gang/home invasion changes, I will most certainly upgrade to a magazine as fat as a jook box collection. Frankly, such a ban would not at this time affect me personally, and would not do a thing to prevent mass shootings (I believe that the "informal" memo to President Obama admitted as much). But politically, it is a scalp to be hung over the fireplace by controllers.

If I were hunting feral hogs, I would like plenty of rounds in a semi-auto rifle; the AR 15 is now the weapon of choice for clearing feral hogs in many areas. And as before, the RKBA is not based on "needs."

Don't you think these proposals would be more effective?

1) Federally-funded school security measures whereby a school could choose to "harden" facilities, provide armed security, etc. (I don't think we need to go "NRA on steroids" as with Barbara Boxer's proposal.);

2) Mandatory jail time for felons using guns;

3) Some sort of universal NICS test with appropriate funding.

Not accusing you of such, but "extremism" dominates both sides of the debate, and meaningful (though not perfect) measures are once again falling by the wayside. One side wants no more regulation; the other really does want to ban & confiscate.

[ileus]

11. Ole gary seems to believe the 2A is about hunting...

It's this kind of ignorance we need to combat.

[rdharma]

13. What kind of rifle did he use?

Wrong, gejohnston. Look again.

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[gejohnston]

14. I got my first deer with a Marlin lever action

In fact, I like them more than semis for most things. But I'm betting they hired actors instead of finding a real fudd, which is why I didn't pay attention to the video.

[rdharma]

15. "I didn't pay attention to the video"

But you still posted a pic of a Browning BAR (not the military BAR folks) ......and your point with that was........?

[gejohnston]

16. a semi auto is a semi auto with the same rate of fire

if you missed that point, can't help you. You can rapid fire with a lever action as well.

[frylock]

26. you can rapid fire with a lever action as well..

great news! you've just made the argument that you DON'T need a semi-auto with a 30 rd mag. now tell us how useless a ban on large cap mags are because criminals can reload a revolver just as quickly as they can squeeze the trigger of a semi-auto.

[gejohnston]

27. Did say anything anyone didn't already know?

great news! you've just made the argument that you DON'T need a semi-auto with a 30 rd mag.

There is not dept of needs, if there were, cars that go over the speed limit would be banned because they are more lethal and destructive than guns.

now tell us how useless a ban on large cap mags are because criminals can reload a revolver just as quickly as they can squeeze the trigger of a semi-auto.

Who said criminals won't still get them? While there is less gun crime in the UK, there are more involving full autos there than here. Then there are those gun bans in Mexico and Jamaica.

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/murder-charges-laid-in-toronto-bbq-mass-shooting-1.1029580
I'm sure these fine gentlemen had restricted PALs, and had only ten round magazines for their registered pistols. I'm sure the RCMP gave them an ATT to take them to the party too.

I don't think I made any such argument.

[Pullo]

3. They are going to have to do better than trotting out Zumbo Fudd types

to appeal to gun owners. This type of ad will just be laughed at.

[Dr_Scholl]

6. Yep

When I saw this, I thought "Oh yeah, i'm sure his pro gun stance will hurt him in Kentucky".

[friendly_iconoclast]

7. Prohibitionists of any stripe tend not to hear what they don't want to hear.

The gun Prohis seem to not understand that there are very few Fudds left that would buy this kind
of tin-eared nonsense- most people with old-school firearms now realize that their "dangerous sniper rifles"
would be next up on the chopping block if the antis get any traction...

[Pullo]

8. Those "dangerous sniper rifles" were originally designed for the battlefield

so they must go too!

[madville]

9. The same Kentucky that

Voted 61-38, Mittens over Obama. The same Kentucky where 42% of Democrats voted uncommitted in the 2012 primary against the President who was the only one on the ticket. Uh huh, they're gonna be all anti-gun up in there lol.

[TheKentuckian]

12. I wrote in for the primary, it had nothing to do with guns.

Still, I've voted Obama three times now, twice in the general and in the 2008 primary. President Obama did not earn my primary vote in 2012 and I was not alone. I also know folks that would be derided as "gun nuts" who voted for him all four times.

The essence remains that the ground is not very fertile but the why isn't discerning. Some of the most liberal folks I know are gun owners and it sure as hell isn't all about double barrel shotguns. I know plenty of Rush listening, talking point spewing, chickenhawk, tax dodging folks that wouldn't willingly be anywhere near a gun.

Kentuckians would probably be ok with some measures, background checks and perhaps moderate capacity limits come to mind but it goes only so far because I tend to believe that most folks regardless of politics, even if they personally hate firearms believe in the individual right to them. In fact, I believe this is probably the case nationwide which is the Achilles heel for prohibitionists. They are limited in their ability to push because they know that at the roots of the debate they are in a small minority so reality dictates nibbling and if they are to be seen as "serious" cede the fundamental rhetorically (while not in fact) which leads to a debate between the unhinged but consistent and reasoned but shifty and strident and the status quo takes the pole position.

[ileus]

10. Any side of the "assault" weapons ban is the wrong side.

As progressives the word "ban" when it comes to firearms shouldn't be in our vocabulary.

[X_Digger]

17. Hunting has fuck-all* to do with the purpose of the second amendment.

Only 20% of gun owners hunt.

*As a 'lawful purposes', hunting is as protected an expression of the right protected by the second as LOLCats and tweeting pictures of your lunch are protected expressions of the right protected by the first.

[Eleanors38]

20. Like most gun prohis, they don't know the issues, and don't want to know.

[Eleanors38]

19. No mention of gun-control by PCCC at Wiki site, but BAROOM! they let one in this ad campaign...

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and will drag that odor around with them when trying to effect other more meaningful changes. So typical
of many groups associated with progressive causes.