What if a physician in private practice said, "no firearms are permitted in my office".

[CreekDog]

and made that the rule.

should that be allowed as a rule?

[CBGLuthier]

1. Of course it should be.

I have a rule no guns in my house or business too. Do gunlovers think that my property rights are trumped by their alleged right to have cold steel close enough to touch and caress and comfort their weary souls? I sure as fuck hope not.

[Token Republican]

2. Of course

His/her office, her/his rules.

[petronius]

3. Yes, any private entity should be allowed to prohibit firearms from being brought

into the workplace, meeting place, office, whatever...

[Politicalboi]

4. YES!

This gun shit is getting out of control. Why must we all be subjected to some assholes paranoia. IMO, men who carry everywhere are like little boys who never grew up.

[jmowreader]

5. Absolutely

In Kootenai County, Idaho, where the Constitution contains the Second Amendment and nothing else, doctors don't allow guns in their offices. They have money, expensive equipment, confidential records and drugs they don't want falling into the wrong hands.

[Token Republican]

7. You do realize

that if someone wanted to rob a doctors office at gunpoint, they are probably not going to be deterred by a sign.

[Maedhros]

9. You do realize

that anyone who takes a gun to a doctor's appointment is an asshat.

[Token Republican]

14. You do realize

that I responded to some who implied that a sign would stop doctors offices from being robbed at gun point.

If you have any evidence of a robbery being prevented by a no guns sign, please share.

[Maedhros]

16. I believe the intent of that poster was to point out that the presence of a firearm

automatically creates an environment of heightened danger. Thus, a doctor would have a real interest in prohibiting guns on the premises of his practice.

However, I mostly just wanted to point out that anyone who takes a firearm to a doctor's appointment is a jackass of the highest order.

[beevul]

24. If that was the intent..

If that was the intent - "to point out that the presence of a firearm automatically creates an environment of heightened danger" - than the intent was to point something out which is patently untrue.

[beevul]

6. Of course.

Did you expect something else?

[linuxman]

8. Of course.

I've never heard a person genuinely argue otherwise.

That's the thing about being a gun-rights advocate. I understand how ALL rights work, and I respect them equally.

Sure would be nice if others understood how private property works so we can be done with the "OMG, GUNZ in a private building (church/bar, etc)" whinefests.

[gejohnston]

10. I haven't seen a private physician since I was a kid.

I even leave my Leatherman in the car when I go to the VA.

[SQUEE]

11. Yes, and in fact even if the grounds and hospital..

or office complex he was in allowed concealed or open carry, his individual office should be allowed as a GunFreeZone, in fact he should be encouraged to feel safe and secure and if that is what he feels will do so in the area he controls then have at it.
Freedom see how that works...

I'm dizzy with anticipation how this little thing your doing is gonna play out... truly.

[AtheistCrusader]

12. The property owner/lessor grants or denies access.

If the doctor is the owner and says 'no guns' a gun owner would be in trespass if he or she violated that condition of access to the property.

Unless he or she was a police officer, or retired police officer, as federal law allowing them to carry trumps.

[rrneck]

13. Why did you think this question was necessary? nt

[Jgarrick]

15. What "should"? It *is* allowed.

[Maedhros]

17. I think that a property owner has a right to control what a visitor brings onto the property.

And, as I posted above, what kind of moron brings a gun to a doctor's appointment?

[beevul]

18. The kind...

The kind that carries concealed, and feels that on his/her person is safer and more secure, than left in the car.

[Maedhros]

19. Leave it at home for the doctor's visit.

Anyone who can't be without their firearm for the time it takes to go to the doctor has some serious issues.

[beevul]

20. Right.

Because people who have doctor visits set aside a day in which nothing else happens.

They go right from home to the doctor and back. no stops for fuel, and no other appointments.

Next time, try thinking it through before making dumb statements.

[Maedhros]

22. I have a calendar. I schedule my visits to the doctor.

I even manage to make it to the doctor's office and back home without having to use a weapon.

One needs not carry 24/7. It's just not a necessity in our country.

[beevul]

23. I don't presume to decide whats "necessary" for anyone else.

I don't presume to decide whats "necessary" for anyone else, and I don't presume I am in a better position to judge someone elses "needs" than they are. I expect the same treatment in return, and generally despise people that take it upon themselves to become the self appointed arbiters of what a person "needs".

You, on the other hand, appear to make those presumptions.

What makes you qualified to do so, beyond "I don't like what person X is doing"?



And for what its worth, I don't carry a gun, have never carried a gun, and most likely will never carry a gun.

[CreekDog]

45. where are they going to put it when they undress and put their gown on?

they aren't pockets in those.

[beevul]

47. I would assume, it would be left in the holster. N/T

[CreekDog]

48. unsecured then

[beevul]

49. Yeah, in a holster, within a room, with the owner and at most a doc or nurse.

Yeah, in a holster, within a room, with the owner and at most a doc or nurse.

Completely unsecured.

Feel free to propose gun lockers at docs offices that will allow them, if you have such a problem with this type of "unsecured".

[bpj62]

21. gun laws vs property owners rights

I have had several discussion with gun owners who truly believe that they can carry their gun anywhere. I told them that their second amendments rights ended at the property line and they told me I was wrong. All of these laws that are being enacted in places like Georgia are giving the impression that the second amendment super cedes the rights of the property owner. If the law says I can carry a gun to church, to my kids school, to the park or to a bar why would they think that the owners may have a different opinion. Why the hell would you want to carry a gun into your Doctors office in first place and secondly Doctors office are not a big source of cash as most people pay by check or credit card.

[ManiacJoe]

25. Odd-ball question. That is currently the way things work.

[Warpy]

26. That would be a doctor I'd go to

The last people I want to be around are weaklings who need to have guns strapped on in order not to be frightened of everything around them.

[Demobrat]

27. I'd be right there with you.

Cowards suck. Especially cowards who hide behind the barrel of a gun. Create a coward-free zone and you've got my business.

[Helen Borg]

29. Plus, going to such a doctor's office ...

would lower your chance of dying by getting shot. That's stats...

[ileus]

28. My wife made that rule and ordered the signs for her clinic.

Of course she still carries hers and told the staff she wouldn't be doing searches for concealed firearms.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

30. Yes, the practice (doctor, doctors or corporation)...

...owns and/or pays for the facilities and should be permitted to maintain the premises as they see fit.

WHAT? No poll???

My question: If the doctor posts a "no firearms are permitted in my office" sign, should the sign apply to him as well?

[mwrguy]

31. Yes, but "concealed means concealed"

is what gun toters often say as they ignore laws, rules, and other people's property rights.

[doc03]

32. What kind of a wuss feels they need to carry a gun

everywhere they go?

[Lizzie Poppet]

41. Oh, I don't know...maybe someone incapable of fighting off most attackers?

You know, like a woman or something...

[pablo_marmol]

43. A person who lacks the arrogance/foolishness in believing that

they get to dictate if/when/where a violent attack might be directed at them?

[uncommonlink]

33. Of course.

It's private property, hence if he doesn't want firearms in his office, he has every right to post a sign saying that.

[littlewolf]

34. of course ... also the individual that carries concealed

has the right to go to a different doc.
that is how it works.

[uncommonlink]

36. Absolutely.

[hack89]

35. Of course it should be allowed - what a stupid question

what's up with the trolling?

[Eleanors38]

37. This is his favorite group, & tag-teaming wit SecMo...

expanding the activist base.

[hack89]

39. Couple of huge hypocrites

immediately zot any dissension in Bansalot and then come here to troll.

[Eleanors38]

40. Activism: We run da show.

[CreekDog]

51. i'm not the one who's been here for years mainly with an interest in gun issues

and posting to the right of the party on them.

i wonder who fits that description?

[hack89]

55. Only in your rich imangination

the one where you are the only moral one and everyone else wants to kill people. Why don't you go back to Bansalot and enjoy that widespread Democratic anti-gun love. Oh wait, it is a desolate wasteland with 4 active members.

Rest assured, though, that I stand with you on unions, education, marriage and gender equality. Can't we disagree on one thing and still both be Democrats?

[Eleanors38]

38. "Assholes," "asshats," "jackasses," "wuss," "cowards

was all blurted out, as good as morning coffee for some here. I think that was the purpose of OP.

Oh, and "weary souls."

[oneshooter]

42. Not only do I carry, but both my doctor and his nurse have CHLs.

He even asks me how much to deduct from my weight for the records.



I try, and try, but he just won't believe it when I tell him"20lbs".

[doc03]

44. Why are people scared to go even to the doctor unless they have a gun. I don't

want to be in a world where I live in that kind fear all the time. You people should really get help IMO or else move to a place were you feal safe, maybe
somewhere where there are no guns.

[beevul]

46. Why would you assume they're scared?

You have a fire extinguisher? You're "in fear all the time" of fire.

You wear seatbelts? You're "in fear all the time" of being in an accident.

You carry a jack in your car? You're "in fear all the time" of a flat tire.

You own mechanics tools? You're "in fear all the time" of breaking down.

You're a gun control supporter, or a gun control advocate, or a member of an anti-gun group, or completely unreasonable when it comes to lawful peaceable concealed carry?

You're "in fear all the time" of guns.

See how that works?


Gee, it sure is fun to ascribe motives and motivations to people you've never seen heard or met, due to them making a different choice than you would have.

I would say, its people like you who have a problem with guns, who would be better served by
moving to a place were you feal safe, maybe somewhere where there are no guns.

[doc03]

50. I got a CCW but don't feel the need to carry a gun with me

24/7 and I wouldn't live in an area where I felt that need. I have a fire extinguisher, a seat belt and a jack for my car but don't sleep with them or feel the need to carry them into the doctors office or have them as an aphrodisiac.

[beevul]

53. Are you prepared to state that you are the model by which everyone else should live by?

Are you prepared to state that you are the model by which everyone else should live by?

If so, what makes YOU the model everyone else should live by. And if not, what difference does it make what you do.



"I have a fire extinguisher, a seat belt and a jack for my car but don't sleep with them or feel the need to carry them into the doctors office or have them as an aphrodisiac."

Lets just cut to the chase, shall we?

Who DOES feel the need to carry a gun as an aphrodisiac?

Please. Enlighten us. A name. A face. Proof. Not just opinion and innuendo.

As to your "carry them into the doctors office" comment. I doubt anyone wakes up and decides that they specifically want to carry a gun into a doctors office.

The issue is more along the lines of someone that carries regularly, which a number of CCW holders do, ending up at the docs office and being forced at that point, to decide whether to carry it in, or leave it in the car (a danger of theft there).

Oh, and for what its worth, I don't carry a gun, don't desire to, and have touched a gun approximately twice in the last year (too busy to reload and shoot targets, sadly)

[doc03]

54. Well most of the CCW carriers I know are people that have the

short man syndrome or feel inadequate for some reason, I guess they need an equalizer. I know one guy that open carries a gun he is about 5' 5" and an asshole that needs it or he would get his ass kicked every day.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

52. Absolutely. What if naked people, people carrying a knife, people covered in animal blood wanted

to enter his business? I'd say not allowed.