Gun Safety Group Pressures Key GOP Senators In Dramatic TV Ad

[doxydad]

The gun safety group funded by former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg will air a dramatic television ad in three key states and Washington, D.C., on Tuesday to pressure key Republican senators to support new gun restrictions for domestic abusers.

The 30-second ad by Everytown for Gun Safety....http://everytown.org/... features a man trying to break into his ex-wife's house with a gun as she frantically calls the police. The man kicks the door in, grabs the woman's crying baby and points the gun at the woman's head. The gunshot can be heard as the video cuts out and directs viewers to text a number for information about stopping violence against women.

Video here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/28/everytown-tv-ad_n_5628482.html

More often than not, gun owners ends up in these situations. NO MORE GUNS!

[gejohnston]

1. this one is more likely

[Duckhunter935]

2. yep, cut it down a little and it is indeed a good ad

Does not fit the banners narrative though

Bloomie spending part of his billions for his astroturf group I see.

I hope they do better than this....

[Eleanors38]

3. Man, the rifling on that thing must suck.

[blueridge3210]

4. It's Bloomberg.

Of course it sucks.

[Big_Mike]

32. Well, since the entire round is going downrange

I don't think the maximum effective range will exceed a couple of meters. Big bore rifle, if you notice. Maybe this is supposed to be a sabot round...meh, who cares? Some idiot drew it up with ABSOLUTELY ZERO KNOWLEDGE of his subject matter.

[Eleanors38]

33. Zero knowledge and studiously proud of it.

[VScott]

11. Another one...

The one Everytown is running is facepalm worthy... a lot of good dialing 911 did.

Instead, she became yet another unarmed victim.

[flamin lib]

21. Got some statistics to back that up? nt

[gejohnston]

22. about 1600

women are murdered by intimates.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvv.pdf
Old, but says 100 times more women defend themselves from attackers in general.
Law Enforcement Assistance Administration, Rape Victimization in 26 American Cities, U.S. Department of Justice, 1979

[flamin lib]

23. Very creative on your part.

In the two publications cited you've chosen selective parts of both which don't appear to be related.

You've compared homicides by intimates to a host of other types of assaults. So, 1600 women killed by intimates compared to 22000 attempted rapes of which 3% (660) defended themselves with guns. That's not 100 times more than 1600.

[gejohnston]

24. my bad, typo

but I was comparing the two videos. The Glock commercial the bad guy may or may not be a stranger that it was a stranger. The commercial was obviously ex husband.

According to this, 17.4 percent of female murder victims were killed with a firearm, and 1.9 percent by an ex husband. See tables five and six.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

While I don't think one can find a perfect apples to apples comparison, I got as close as I could.

[flamin lib]

25. Torture is against the law, you should just set logic free and stop torturing it.

A typo? So instead of 100 x more defended themselves you meant 10 x more? 660 is not 10 x more than 1600. In fact from your own cite 21% of attempted rape victims simply talked the attacker out of the crime compared to 3% who used a gun for defense.

So now you morph intimate partners to divorced husbands. Its like the claim that hammers kill more people than guns. If you take all blunt instrument homicides and call them a hammer and equate rifles to all guns you could make that claim. It would still be an intentional lie but you could make that claim.

Let's just let this sub thread die a natural death.

[gejohnston]

26. you missed the point

I said the scenario in the Glock commercial was more likely than the scenario in the Everytown commercial. They are not the same either. I was comparing statistics that come closer to the Glock Commercial to the Everytown commercial. I used stats like the Glock commercial and stats like the Everytown commercial. I proved my point.

[flamin lib]

28. The Glock commercial is a crock of shit.

http://www.citylab.com/politics/2014/02/having-gun-house-doesnt-make-woman-safer/8474/

links to sources in the article.

Women who own guns are 5 times more likely to be killed with them than women who have no gun in the house.

I tried to give you a graceful way out but you refused to take it and doubled down on this easily disproved line of shit.

This sub thread is now dead.

[gejohnston]

29. Authur Kellerman?

You badmouth an award winning and highly respected criminologist and hang on every word of Authur Kellerman? He is the reason why the CDC got busted 20 year ago. Here is a critique of Kellerman's work:

Several academic papers have been published severely questioning Kellerman's methodology, selective capture of data, and refusal to provide raw data from his gun-risk studies so as to substantiate his methods and result validity. While Kellerman has backed away from his previous statement that people are “43 times more likely” to be murdered in their own home if they own and keep a gun in their home, he still proposes that the risk is 2.7 times higher.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann
In the first Kellerman "study" he really showed that lifestyle was more relevant. Also during those deaths (other than suicides) the killer brought the gun with them, the victim didn't own the gun.
https://www.firearmsandliberty.com/papers-shade/StatisticalMisgivingsandLies.PDF

But now that I'm fully recovered and awake from a same day surgery.
That original 660 was only across 26 cities. When you extrapolate across the US, the number gets much bigger. In the Everytown commercial it specifically says ex husband. As stated before 1.9 percent ex husband, 17 percent by firearm.
There were 14,827 murder victims in the US in 2013. 23 percent are women. That is 3410. 580 with firearm. 68 by ex husband. Combine the two, (by ex husband with firearm) it comes out to 12 if all things are evenly distributed.
I always double down when I know I'm right. The Everytown commercial failed because:
Ex was already violating federal law by possessing a gun (Lautenberg Amendment) Woman told 911 there was a restraining order. And of course, the "when seconds count, cops are minutes or hours (if in Detroit) away."

[DonP]

5. Exactly where does the "Safety" part come into play?

I know the latest "messaging" guidelines for gun grabbers is to stop referring to "gun control: which has proven to be a big loser in focus group testing and use "gun safety" instead, since no one can be against "gun safety", right?

But wouldn't it be smarter for you and your Messiah Bloomie to at least pretend to actually address safety? You know, with some courses offered on safe handling and storage.

Oh, wait, he'd have to use NRA certified instructors for that, ... never mind.

You don't really care jack shit about gun safety, right? Just gun confiscation, but at least your honest about it.

And thanks for providing us with the example we needed, when the others keep saying "No one wants to take your guns away."

We can point to people like you and say , "Yes they do, here's one right now".

[clffrdjk]

6. Holy shit that is a whopper of a lie.

More often than not, gun owners ends up in these situations

Nearly everyone I know owns a gun and not one has had and ex break in a try to kill them or broken into an Ex's house and killed them.

How can I possibly trust anything you have to say?

[IronGate]

7. And when Bloomberg and his paid minions fail, again, then what? nt.

BTW, how do you remove the more than 300 million firearms in citizens hands?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

13. Statistics show...

...67 "troops" are required for each weapon confiscated. At least that was what Xerxes found.
No aspersion intended but you're arguing with a "creative speculator".

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[oneshooter]

8. MDA in action......................

http://buzzpo.com/mda-supporters-protest-topless-texas-open-carry-group/


Yes, they are truly serious.

[IronGate]

9. Wow, that is some sick hate.

They need to get some professional help before that physically hurt someone.

[DonP]

14. I've seen and confronted them in "Action"

At two recent town halls on the opening of gun stores/ranges.

Bloomie's "Mom's" showed up, complete with a page of pre-printed talking points (they left one on a chair when the meeting was over) and tried to block the approval votes for two area suburbs, Niles Illinois and Bolingbrook. They showed up just as the meeting started and were upset that the seats in front were all taken and the list of people that wanted to speak was full and demanded a chance to speak.

In both case they were outnumbered by at least 5 to 1 or better by pro-second people and when asked by the city council to provide actual evidence (news stories, police report examples etc.) of the "dangers" of a gun store or range, they couldn't after several tries from one sympathetic board member. Bloomberg is really pissing away a lot of money for no results with this "grass roots" group. But that's good.

Bloomberg's group has no real infrastructure, beyond his bought and paid for minions. That's why it's easy to beat them on turn out. Heck, I know people that drove for over 3 hours on their own time and dime to attend these meetings and speak their mind.

We sat quietly while the Mom's spoke, but when one of our guys went to speak, they hooted and yelled out loud.

Must be all the GMO's Shannon Watt's told them to eat when she was at Monsanto, that caused some rudeness brain damage.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

31. Here I was thinking the openly carrying protesters were damaging the RKBA cause by

unnecessarily shocking and offending the general public but these women have managed to completely reverse the situation.

[VScott]

10. Anthing that involves Bloomturd is certain to backfire.

and have the opposite effect.

Lets see how well his message is received in New Hampshire, Arizona and Nevada (especially the latter two),
once word is spread that his highness is involved.

[otohara]

34. Bloomturd?

How old are you 12?

In Arizona almost twice as many people were murdered by guns from 2001 through 2010 in Arizona than killed in combat in Afghanistan. Arizona is one of the deadliest states for gun violence.
http://cdn.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ArizonaGunViolence1.pdf

In 2010 Nevada had the single highest rate of women killed by men, many homicides of which are committed with a firearm.
http://cdn.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/NevadaGunViolence.pdf

In New Hampshire From 2003 to 2012, nearly half all female homicides in were cases of domestic violence involving family members or intimate partners.http://cdn.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/CAP-DV-NH.pdf

Maybe the women in Arizona, Nevada and even New Hampshire have had enough. The women of America are grateful to Michael Bloomberg for his ads.

[beevul]

35. "Arizona is one of the deadliest states for gun violence. "

"Arizona is one of the deadliest states for gun violence. "

When measured by "rate" perhaps. When measured in the actual sense, not so much.

[VScott]

37. I was being kind

Maybe the women in Arizona, Nevada and even New Hampshire have had enough

Maybe the women in Arizona, Nevada and even New Hampshire think Bloomturd should mind his
own fucking business and keep his opinion out of their states?

[friendly_iconoclast]

38. Those victims would be no less dead if non-gun methods were used

So all this posturing and emphasis on "method" over "rate" is merely ego boost for
Bloomberg, along with an unearned sense of moral superiority for those who've
drunk his Kool-Aid...

[sarisataka]

12. If the end screen said

"When seconds count the police are only minutes away"
it would be an NRA ad.
Bloomie needs a better marketing team.

There are better ways to illustrate the benefits of the proposed domestic abuser laws.

[pablo_marmol]

15. Your pandemic of propaganda won't convince persons with integrity

that there is an epidemic of gun violence.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

[virginia mountainman]

16. How nice of them to run ads supporting GUN RIGHTS..

Shows a totally defenceless mother, with 911 on the line, and (practically) restraining order in hand...Points out just how useless those items are..

Most of the women on the "View" took note of that as well.

Anyone notice how when Bloomberg spends money, the effects generally go against him and his cronys??

[sarisataka]

17. The more I see of Everytown

And the ineptitude of their actions, the more I suspect it is a false flag to lure Democrats into vulnerable positions.

-"accidentally" list terrorists and criminals as gun violence victims
-the great "support" the recalled Colorado Dems got
-this "anti gun" ad

Am I just paranoid or does all this seem to just happen to help repubs?

[gejohnston]

19. I don't think you are paranoid at all

You will wonder even more if you read the Rolling Stone interview.
But then, I often wondered the same thing about Wayne and Ted working for the other side.

[DonP]

27. I'm hard pressed tlo think of a GOP he's helped a Dem defeat?

It seems his focus has been on helping one Dem beat another in a primary, so no net gain for us.

But the whole Colorado recall thing was a classic cluster flop and I don't think we've heard the last repercussions of that yet.

By the way, has anyone seen the numbers on how much "safer" NY, Connecticut and Colorado are since they passed all their new laws?

[beevul]

18. "new gun restrictions for domestic abusers."

Its already federal law that people convicted of domestic violence are prohibited from possessing a firearm.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

20. The ad is saying the cops can't protect you. The assailant could have been holding a knife

or baseball bat or merely strangling her with his bare hands but in terms of the ad the woman would be just as helpless and the police just as impotent.

[DonP]

30. Umm, what about the Dem Senators that won't support gun control?

So Bloomberg and his ilk are just "pressuring Key GOP Senators"?

Since there are some Dems from Red states that won't vote for gun control/bans et. al. are they just being ignored in this? Or is he setting them up for Primary losses to more anti gun candidates?

Since, with your deeply felt online commitment, you must be a dues paying member of Everytown, I assume you know what the strategy is.