Concealed carry permit holder charged in Dolton home invasion

[SecularMotion]

A concealed carry permit holder and another man burglarized and shot up a home in south suburban Dolton, police said today.

Aaron Whirl, 22, of south suburban Riverdale was charged with home invasion, aggravated discharge of a firearm and residential burglary, said Dolton police Chief John Franklin.

Whirl, who had a concealed carry permit at the time of the Aug. 11 incident, was ordered held in lieu of $300,000 bail Aug. 14, according to Franklin and court records.

Whirl's co-defendant Charles F. Knight, 21, also of Riverdale, was ordered held in lieu of $100,000 bail on similar charges, according to court records.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-concealed-carry-permit-holder-charged-with-shooting-dolton-home-robbery-20140818-story.html

[IronGate]

1. Congratulations!!!!!!

You found one that broke the law, now, post stories about how many CHL citizens used their firearms to deter a crime.

Look, here's a slew of them:

CCW Customer shoots robber dead in Jacksonville FL

Man carrying gun ends stabbing rampage…

Man makes threat with knife at market in Royal Oak, halted by citizen with gun

Doctor With Gun Saves Others

Man credits concealed carry weapon for saving two lives

http://ccwstories.com/category/ccw-stories

Shall I keep going? Or have I made my point?

[Starboard Tack]

4. Without links they mean nothing IG

Just sayin'

[NYC_SKP]

5. There are news consolidations sites, I Googled one of the stories and came up with this page:

http://ccwstories.com/blog

Just as motherjones, et al, cherry pick their stories, other bloggers and websites select true stories about instances of legitimate uses of firearms for self defense and crime deterrence.

I'm off for a walk now, should have left sooner!

[Duckhunter935]

7. Here are some, no youtube links

Police: Store clerk shoots would-be robber

Houston police said an armed convenience store clerk not only foiled an attempted robbery, but wound up putting the would-be robber in the hospital. Police said the man was shot in the neck while trying to rob a convenience store at the intersection of Almeda-Genoa and Rowlett.

"When I saw the gun I felt like I was going to die. For my safety I had to pull my trigger," said store clerk Kiran Giri.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/police-store-clerk-shoots-wouldbe-robber/27727070

"All I know is, a person come in. I'm like, what's going to happen, what's going to happen? That's when he came out. We confronted one another. All I know is, I'm telling him, get down, stop. It went bad. He kept coming toward me and didn't want to stop," said Wood.

http://www.khou.com/story/news/crime/2014/08/26/hcso-resident-shoots-burglar-during-home-invasion/14624503/

So, the 73-year-old Air Force veteran of the Vietnam War said, he grabbed his registered 380 Taurus semiautomatic handgun and left his second-floor bedroom for the main-floor living room.

And halfway down the stairs he spotted a man entering his home through a broken front picture window. Peering about 15 feet from the steps into the living room lighted only by a small table lamp, Jackson said he fired one round that grazed the torso of the man.

After he fired, Jackson said, “I told him he better leave.’’

The man stepped back outside through the window and waited on the porch for police to arrive. Jackson said the man was bleeding from the gunshot wound and cuts from the broken glass.

http://www.omaha.com/news/crime/year-old-omahan-shoots-man-coming-through-window-of-his/article_a831f338-2cf1-11e4-9dc5-001a4bcf6878.html

[Starboard Tack]

10. None of these are about CCW permit holders

Not many people object to using a firearm for home defense, or for defense against business robbery. I certainly don't.

Most supposed DGU's, seem to be about using guns against deranged people with knives, or brandishing to settle a dispute. I would imagine that brandishing could take a down turn when it involves two people who carry. Like a game of "chicken", or "duck".

[Duckhunter935]

11. and how do you know?

do you know these people?

[Starboard Tack]

14. Of course not

But the whole point is about carry, as far as I'm concerned. Nobody was carrying in these cases. So whether they had a permit to carry or not is irrelevant to the stories.

[IronGate]

8. Fixed. nt.

[Duckhunter935]

6. be careful posting youtube links

Just saying

[Starboard Tack]

9. Thanks! Did you read the stories and check the links?

The most recent is more than 2 years old and 2 of them have no dates or links to the original source.

2 that do have links are both over 2 years old and are about guys with guns against guys with knives. I agree that a gun is usually effective against a man with a knife, though I hardly think that 2 incidents 2+years ago justifies the mad rush nationwide to acquire CCW permits.

The other story, about the doctor saving dozens of lives, is a joke. The doctor happened to have a CCW permit, but never used his gun, or even saw the bad guy with a gun. He held a door open for people to exit and briefed a SWAT team. Maybe having a gun gave him the courage he needed to stay and hold the door.

Bottom line: If this website you link to is the best source to justify CCW, then it isn't doing a very good job.

[IronGate]

12. Way to miss the point. nt.

[Starboard Tack]

15. And the point is what?

That once in a year or so, out of 300 million guns, one of them being carried by a "good" guy has a positive effect? And there is zero evidence that the same end could or would not have been arrived at without anyone carrying.

That is my point. Think hard and well before leaving home with a loaded firearm. If you're not prepared to kill someone today, best leave it at home. Because if you are not prepared to kill, you run the additional risk of being killed by your own gun.
I'm not trying to stop people from carrying, or ban guns. I'm trying to get people to think harder and deeper about what they are doing, both to themselves and to the society they live in.

[IronGate]

16. Yes, you missed the point.

My post was in answer to SecMo's thread, that for every person with a CHL that does something illegal, there are many, many more DGU's by citizen's that possess a CHL.
You came into the conversation saying that I hadn't provided a link, then when I do, you come back complaining that they're 2 years or more older.

[Starboard Tack]

18. OK, but there is a bit of a disconnect.

Forget SecMo for a minute. He rarely tends or participates in his threads, but occasionally comes up with OP'a worthy of discussion. He does much of our homework for us.
I pointed out that you provided no links, correct. Then you provided the links, which I dutifully clicked on and read. Two of them were dead links. But yes, you provided the links, which indicate that once in a blue moon, at most, someone with a carry permit does something OK.
The only one of those links that is remotely positive is this one http://ccwstories.com/136/man-credits-concealed-carry-weapon-for-saving-two-lives
And that is based solely on what the guy credits himself with, and we know we can always count on facts like that.

The doctor story is a total joke.

The guy in the store ended up killing someone.

Two instances were against knives, which happily did not end up with 2 dead guys, as often happens when cops confront knives. I come from a country where knives are far more common than guns. I was a cop and was confronted on several occasions by guys with knives. Fortunately, I had no gun, because knives can be pretty scary. I never got cut or stabbed and I shot no one. In fact, nobody even got hurt. That kind of shit happens every day, all over the world, without people being shot. Claiming that the only, or the best, way to defuse a situation involving knives is with a gun, is a sad statement about human behavior.
That said, I'm glad that neither of these civilians thought it necessary to shoot the guys with knives.
Cops in the US are a huge part of the problem, which is very unfortunate, because, depending where you live, it may mean that, in essence, you are living in a police state.

[gejohnston]

19. actually, UK is closer to a police state

http://policestate.co.uk/articles/129

[Starboard Tack]

20. Of course it is GE!

Cops with guns everywhere shooting people for walking in the street. I'm happy not living there or in the US.

[gejohnston]

21. I point out the cancer to the surveillance state

and include a link that describes you country of origin become more like Airstrip One than "jolly Old England", and you still want to be overly concerned with freckles. That is one difference between us.

Another difference is that I try to only deal with facts and evidence, and accept the objective truth as it is even if it conflicts with the popular narrative. Yes, I've paid the price for that. Sometimes I think the false narrative is true until the facts prove other wise (which is what happened). I simply accepted the truth for what it was instead of clinging to the myth and hit the alert button when the facts are pointed out.

[Starboard Tack]

22. Hey, it's a dangerous world out there.

You want cameras to keep your streets safe or idiots in jackboots walking around with guns.
I deal with the world as I see it, not as MSM, or some CT website sees it. I don't live in a courtroom accumulating evidence to ascertain some kind of objective "truth".
I deal with the real world where all truth is subjective.

DU is a controlled environment, a game room, where we are protected from the evils of the world and the ill will of each other. We get to play as long as we follow the rules. Most of us break the rules occasionally, me more than most. But it's a game. We are here to have fun and enjoy ourselves, not to be mean to each other and not to step over the line too much. I don't hit the alert button very often, but sometimes I do. Not a big deal.

[gejohnston]

23. It really isn't a dangerous world

at least not here. There are dangerous places in the world. There are dangerous parts of a city. But, the world as a whole isn't. That isn't to say possible dangers don't exist in not dangerous places.

[Starboard Tack]

24. I was being facetious GE

The world tends to be as dangerous as one makes it. I carry a stick when I go picking blackberries and other fruit around here. I bang it on the ground and tread heavily to scare the vipers away. If I were hunting wild boar, and moving stealthily, I'd probably wear some tough boots and sleeves.

[NYC_SKP]

13. CCW aside, here's a site that maintains a list of current/recent examples of DGU: reddit.com/r/dgu

.

http://www.reddit.com/r/dgu

I suppose one could sort through then all to find cases where CCW was a factor.

We probably can agree that, while there are individuals who have justifiable needs to carry, that there needs to be some qualification process required.

And there certainly are going to be people who shouldn't be anywhere near a gun but end up, somehow, with a CCW permit.

[Starboard Tack]

17. Yeah, I agree.

And I'm not going to dig through anecdotal evidence of DGU's. I don't have any problem with someone carrying if they truly feel they need to. Fortunately, I've never felt that need and hope I never do. But I realize not everyone is as fortunate or feels as confident that they are not a target. I've had my life threatened a few times and on a couple of occasions I wished I had a gun. I was very glad later that I didn't, because there was a good chance I might've used it, and still be living with the consequences.

It can be a very tough call, when it comes to using a gun against another person. If I don't have one, then I don't have to make that call, which frees me up to concentrate on less drastic solutions. But I can't speak for others. It's their call. I just urge them to think very carefully before doing so, and if they are not prepared to kill, then to leave the gun at home.

[ileus]

2. another great reminder of why I carry.

Safety first, willing victim later.

[Starboard Tack]

3. Sure you do