Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forum(GOP) Bill proposes massive overhaul to Georgia gun laws (guns everywhere all the time)
http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-government/bill-proposes-massive-overhaul-1351904.htmlGeorgians would be allowed to carry concealed weapons in bars, public schools, most government buildings, college campuses and other locations under a sweeping gun bill filed in the House.
In addition to banishing many current restrictions, House Bill 981 would prevent police or the National Guard from disarming people during states of emergency, and it would allow citizens to sue if that occurred.
Rep. Sean Jerguson, (edit R-douchebag) -Woodstock, one of the bill's co-sponsors, said Thursday that it strikes a balance between the Second Amendment, which guarantees the right to bear arms, and personal property rights. For instance, any church or business, such as a restaurant or bar, would be able to decide whether to allow concealed weapons, he said, and regulations that limit the right to carry, such as when consuming alcohol, are still in place.
Critics say it goes too far and could endanger the public.
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CurtEastPoint
(18,646 posts)So predicatable. From Jerkerson's FB page:
Sean along with his wife, Kate, and their two children, Eli and Claire, reside in Holly Springs, Ga. They are actively involved at First Baptist Church Woodstock. Political Views Very Conservative
Religious Views Christian
Work Info
Employer: HiCaliber Firearms
Position: Owner
Location: Holly Springs, GA
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gejohnston
(17,502 posts)and has been for years, it is kind of like when South Carolina repealed its handgun ban in 1965 (enacted in 1902, it banned private ownership of most handguns by other than "special deputies" ie, guys who kept their evening attire in the linen closet. Historically, the south had stricter gun laws than most of the US). In other words, nothing. There will be no noontime duels, shoot outs over parking spaces, or any other bad things.
What does this law have to do with gay bashing?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Pistols
http://www.alternet.org/rights/50039/
jpak
(41,758 posts)yup
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)as is, you are not doing your cause any favors.
jpak
(41,758 posts)yup
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Last edited Sat Feb 18, 2012, 08:35 PM - Edit history (1)
yup
jpak
(41,758 posts)yup
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)yup
yup
yup
rl6214
(8,142 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)yup
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)more than reasonable. Aside violating the 5A, many of those guns most likely landed up in the personal collections of NOPD and Blackwater.
How is that unreasonable? A church is the same as any other business. To treat churches different than other private property turns it into a church/state issue.
tech_smythe
(190 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)and that is something I am an absolutist about.
S_B_Jackson
(906 posts)or the several mass shootings at churches since.
I don't believe it unreasonable that a person with a Concealed Handgun License would carrying a concealed weapon in a church as a means of self-defense (and to possibly defend other congregants).
There is no special magical protection which emanates from the altar...and the same rule - that the police have no duty to protect any individual - exist here as well.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)They probably all see themselves like former Governor Lester Maddox who rose to "fame" chasing Blacks out of his restaurant with a gun. Neil Boortz actually got his start in hate politics writing racist speeches for the racist, gun toting "gubnor."
Guns have an ugly history here.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)and I was in 4th grade in Wyoming, so what does that have to do with me? When I was in South Carolina, most of gun owners I knew were also African American.
Gun control also has an ugly history in the south, that is why until the 1960s, it had stricter laws than most of the US outside of New York. Some of them have since been repealed. Do you think the NAACP supported South Carolina's 1902-1965 handgun ban? North Carolina's licencing? Texas required a licience for handguns 100 years ago. Look up Texas v Miller 1894.
Florida banned open carry in 1893 because the sight of black migrant workers "toting" scared the shit out of white people.
http://www.cardozolawreview.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=134:kopel201099&catid=20:firearmsinc&Itemid=20
Canada's 1934 handgun law was all about fear of immigrants, nothing about "civil society".
Oh yeah, Maddox is fucking dead. The south of that time period is on life support, if not dead. Much of Florida is Long Island south.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lester_Maddox
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Restrict them for everyone -- like most countries do.
As to racist Lester Maddox -- an uneducated man at best -- he started with guns, then went to ax handles so he could sell them for a small amount to the racist who loved him for chasing Black famalies -- including women and little kids -- down the street with his friggin gun. You find me a confederate flag waver and I'll show you a racist and gun toter. I'd rather the worthless souls leave them at home.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Other than MAIG, and they have more felons per captia than the NRA has CCWs.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)Nice choice.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)not Austrian.
Taking police buyers to strip bars? A free trip to a strip club ended Smith and Wesson's near monopoly?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)along with some healthy incentives.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I guess that is OK with you?
rl6214
(8,142 posts)"Toward racists who elected an uneducated man for simple reason he chased Blacks down street with gun"
And as usual you have no fucking clue what you talk about, you only make excuses.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)But I forgot, he used a gun so he has to be a model citizen in your mind.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)I do, so do you apply guilt by association to everything? Maddox is dead.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Does the bill require you to allow them into your home?
Oh.
So its not really "everywhere" or "all the time" at all, is it.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)"For instance, any church or business, such as a restaurant or bar, would be able to decide whether to allow concealed weapons, he said, and regulations that limit the right to carry, such as when consuming alcohol, are still in place."
I don't believe that you even read your own posts. And I know that you rarely even bother to answer questions, exept to be dirisive and somewhat vulger ( I wonder what happened to "civil discourse"in your posts) answers.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Blatent lie and violation of ToS.
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ileus
(15,396 posts)rl6214
(8,142 posts)guns everywhere all the time. I would call it intellectual dishonesty but that would be saying that there is some sort of intellect there.