Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumEmily Got Her Gun, but her story is a lie.
Things are not looking good for NRA hero Emily Miller, Chief Investigative Reporter for WTTG Fox5 in Washington, DC. Yesterday Washington Post's media blogger, Erik Wemple, posted more information about Miller's bizarre "home invasion" story, which she turned into a newspaper series, "Emily Gets Her Gun," and book, "Emily Gets Her Gun...But Obama Wants to Take Yours" (the title alone should raise some flags), plus speaking engagements at pro-gun rallies (a clear violation of professional journalistic ethics).Wemple obtained new, supplemental, police reports which casts even more doubt on the veracity of Emily Miller's sensationalist tale about the "15 scruffy young men standing around two pickup trucks", and the "the blood-shot-eyed guy" who "darted out, blocking the shot" when she claims she tried to take their picture. This is information that would certainly be helpful to the police (15 scruffy men, two pickup trucks, one man with bloodshot eyes) and would surely have been included in her report to the police, right?
No. In fact the report she gave to the police right after it happened tells a completely different story: it was not a "home invasion," the alleged burglar was not still in the house when she went in, there was only one man, driving a silver pickup truck, who said he was there to deliver firewood, and who gave her his business card. No other men and no other pickup truck was mentioned.
I'll leave it to you to read Wemple's column pointing out discrepancies and inconsistencies (linked above). There are still some unanswered questions (if the police had the landscaper's business card, what did they find out from him? Was it bogus? Why didn't Miller follow up on the information the police developed about her credit card usage?), so I hope he continues to investigate further.
I point all this out because this is typical, in my experience, of NRA sensationalist propaganda, designed to portray America as so dangerous and frightening that one must arm oneself or face death at the hands of fearsome thugs. Compare the police report to the NRA video. Compare the police report to the narrative Miller has since turned into a newspaper series, highly regarded by RKBA posters here. And yet, in my many years of dealing with pro-gunners, they often accuse pro-controllers of consistently lying, but their side is comprised of honest, law-abiding, Americans who would never lie. When it comes to politics, both sides of any contentious issue are quite capable of lying, and every fact and story should be approached with skepticism.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Self-defense is still a human and civil right.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)And Officer Wilson.
Lots of dead folks killed by people who were just performing 'self-defense'.
sarisataka
(18,733 posts)is NOT a human and civil right?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)anyone that claims it is merely a murderer?
The Supreme Court says self defense is a right.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)DonP
(6,185 posts)This is what the 3rd or 4th thread and the 2nd by the OP? "Methinks thou doth protest too much" applies here.
They must be scared shitless of her having a gun. She must be a real danger to something or other.
After all, there are all those other stories of women using guns to shoot someplace up, right?
Neon Gods
(222 posts)There will be a third post if it is warranted, and like I wrote, there are still some questions I'd like answered.
I live just outside the city where she resides...with her gun. She's not really a model citizen is she? (lying about an incident in order to further her cause) so yeah, not cheering that she gets to carry a gun, but then I would prefer to live in a city where few strangers around me are armed in public.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I'm assuming you hate gun owners too.
Neon Gods
(222 posts)No where is it written that self defense can only be accomplished with a firearm.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)what would you want to use against someone greater than 5' 10" and 180 lbs.?
Neon Gods
(222 posts)Why do some Americans always insist life requires a gun? I've known hundreds of people in my many years on this earth and none of them have ever been beaten or shot by bullies, thugs, or criminals. No one I know owns or carries a firearm, which means none of us has to keep track of our weapon when we're out, when we fly, or when we're around kids. No one steals our gun. No one will be shot by accident in my home.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Maybe they don't. Maybe their world is ruled by the strongest leaving women, the elderly and the infirm at the mercy of those who have no mercy.
You're implying that people only want guns, not because they are the most practical means for defense but because firearms owners are somehow deficient without any consideration for pragmatism and experience.
Why do you assume the worst of the people?
Cool story, bro.
I live in a rural area. Everyone owns a gun. Generally several, i.e. pistols of assorted calibers (heavier and lighter for the gentlemen and ladies respectively), at least 1 rifle (semi or otherwise) and a shotgun. Most are kept in the open. Many carry on their hip. We have no crime. We have no "wild west" shoot-outs. We have had a mountain lion in the area in years past but I believe it is unarmed and has no outstanding warrants.
hack89
(39,171 posts)especially when there is a large size and strength disparity. A great equalizer.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)the anti-gun crowd might take time to tsk-tsk if someone in my family was killed by a knife-wielding maniac, but if I were to use a firearm to stop said maniac, they would roundly condemn my actions and demand that I be prosecuted.
Your posts tend to validate my point.
jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)neon: There are still some unanswered questions (if the police had the landscaper's business card, what did they find out from him? Was it bogus? Why didn't Miller follow up on the information the police developed about her credit card usage?), so I hope he continues to investigate further.
link: Susanna Quinn says that Miller has never been anything but truthful
Well then, if anything but truthful, she should take a lie detector test. See how she does.
donP: This is what the 3rd or 4th thread and the 2nd by the OP? "Methinks thou doth protest too much" applies here.
... you referring to Emily too?
donP: After all, there are all those other stories of women using guns to shoot someplace up, right?
Moreso accidents imo; like the sad recent case of a ccw holder 'bra-carrying', shot herself in the eye, died, while adjusting her 'holster'. And I am not laughing, this is a truly disheartening & sad event, sincerely, she was perhaps duped by the gun propaganda & done did herself in.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Downwinder
(12,869 posts)Says it all.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)*Real* progressives realize there's no 'niceness clause' in the Constiution:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernesto_Miranda
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/supremecourt/rights/landmark_miranda.html
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Of course, he doesn't have the right to remain employed by Fox if Roger Ailes and the Murdochs
decide he's costing them money...
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Neon Gods
(222 posts)For lying and ethics violations? Maybe you're referring to something else. If so, disregard.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)and the last thing I want is someone telling me it's okay to be a victim....that it's for the chillin's or whatever bloomy wants us to believe.
F that noise.