Hi guys -- a question:

[gateley]

Has Obama actually done anything to "assault our 2nd Amendment Rights"?

The reason I ask was prompted by this DU thread, in which the DUer was called by an NRA member who began her pitch with "Obama is assaulting our 2nd Amendment Rights".

Just wondering if there's actually been any action taken, or if this is just the RW constant cry against the Democrats.

If someone approaches me with that, I'd like to know the answer. If nothing has changed, I'd just like to ask "what exactly has he done"?

Thanks for the education!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002332060

[Skittles]

1. repukes always say Democrats are "assaulting their gun rights"

it's a normal part of the NRA paranoia

[dballance]

2. I'm not aware of anything

I'd have to say I'm not aware of anything the President or congress has done to alter citizen's rights to own or posses guns. I think they've been occupied with jobs and the economy.

I think the shrill call of the nuts is just so much BS.

[era veteran]

3. The gun industry/lobbyist love POTUS Obama

Those paranoid baggers ran the price of guns and ammo sky high. They still are making things up.

[Kali]

24. this

lots of locals really pumped up the sporting store's economy after the election

[gejohnston]

4. standard fundraising

propaganda, although La Pierre takes it to a level of absurdity to where he keeps looking for black helicopters. It keeps the grassroots sending in the money, so it works so far.
The other side's propaganda is just as over the top and irrational, just not directed at any particular politician and they have no grassroots to speak of. At most they have amusing reads at HuffPo.

In a nutshell, the NRA gives him an F for what he said and voted for in IL, possibly to give lip service to the Daley machine and figured was what his constituents in Chicago wanted (which is how it is supposed to work, they are called Representative instead of leaders for a reason).

Brady gave him an F because, well that answers your question.

If John Kasich's election is any indication, our common enemy (the Kochs and other plutocrats) is a bigger concern than either the NRA or Brady.
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7315
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7341
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7342

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

15. Exactly. Obama is out to take all our guns

so give me some money.

I've gotten a bunch of calls like that.

I figured they only called NRA members. I didn't know they were making general cold calls outside their membership list.

[Upton]

5. Obama has largely stayed out of any gun debate..

which is the smart move politically. Gun control is a loser. Now, if only the rest of the party would follow his lead...it might just shut the NRA up.

[Hoyt]

7. But only because the "gun culture" really does "cling to guns . . . . . ."

They cannot envision life without more and more guns, in more and more places.

[krispos42]

9. Not that I've heard

I subscribe to 3 gun magazines, and the editorials have always been about the potential of Obama, or some knee-jerk law some congresscritter introduces.

[jeepnstein]

11. They don't want to discuss Romney much right now.

I'm curious to see how they rewrite history on his time in office in Massachusetts. Republicans are all about rights for those who can afford to write the big checks. The rest of us don't really matter that much.

[burf]

12. Not only Romney,

there's also Gov Christie who is touted as "a rising star in the Republican Party". There is still some talk out there about him as a VP candidate.

It will be interesting to see how either of them would fare with the gun rights crowd. My guess not well.

[krispos42]

18. The editorials are always a couple of months behind.

I'll let you know then.

[jeepnstein]

28. Ahh, a throw back to the good old days...

I'm so used to the 24/7 instant news cycle that I forget how quaint and slow the magazine business is. I subscribe to only one magazine now and it's a woodworking magazine that includes lots of details and cut lists, not exactly a news cycle driven bit of journalism.

[jeepnstein]

10. He's actually been pretty good on that front.

Some of his minions are less than wonderful, though. I'm sure there are days when he wants to punch Eric Holder in the mouth. And that whole Fast and Furious thing is the stuff that makes Presidents old before their time. Seriously, that was just a dumb project from the start. I don't care much for Jane Napolitano, either. But nothing the President and his government has done so far has had any negative effect on me.

Of course some folks would jump up and say "But, but, but... He's a closet Muslim Communist who wants to send out the Black Panthers to seize my guns!" These kinds of folks are generally not right in the head, quite often are bigots, and generally lack any kind of balance in their lives. Oh, and we also have people who make a ton of money lobbying against this "dark skinned anti-christ" and his gun grabbing agenda. What they tend to forget is that Obama has generally shifted to the center to govern and now probably has a stranglehold on that center ground.

[burf]

13. One area that will bring out the drum beat with the pro gunners,

is: " Mr President, what did you mean when you told Sarah Brady that you were working on gun control under the radar?" Then comes the Fast and Furious fiasco full bore.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

14. ow, yeah. that one will sting.

[gateley]

16. Thank you all so much! I always know I can get a straight answer

from you all, and again you've been very helpful!

Hey! is the You Rock smilie MIA? Anyway, You Rock.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

20. yes, the :yourock: smilie got left behind in the cellar of DU2

I miss it too

[ellisonz]

17. Final Count: 169 DUers find the argument that assault weapons are necessary to be silly.

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Seems an awful lot of DUers agree with the statement: "no matter what the hell your organization says a freaking assault weapon does not make for good quail hunting!"

[Tuesday Afternoon]

19. the guy has 40 posts, too ... yeah, I noticed....

does not surprise me at all.

[gejohnston]

21. you mean one of these?

It would be overkill
http://www.seayourhistory.org.uk/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9688&g2_serialNumber=1

or this, which is really just another shotgun, just ugly.

[Johnny Rico]

22. What I find funny is that the Kel-Tec KSG, a shotgun with a capacity of 14(!) shots,

is not an assault weapon as per the late, unlamented AWB...so is it ok to hunt quail with it?

[ellisonz]

23. The product of a violence-sick society. n/t

[Johnny Rico]

26. I may well buy one in the near future...does that mean I'm sick?

In your humble opinion, of course...?

[ellisonz]

39. I think you probably have an obsession with guns.

I think you should look into donating whatever funds you were going to waste on guns to a worthy charity.

[Johnny Rico]

40. Thank you for your diagnosis, Dr. Freud!

As for funds being wasted on firearms, I would point out that they're an excellent investment!

[ellisonz]

41. You're welcome.

You might as well invest in Halliburton or Exxon Mobil.

[Johnny Rico]

42. I'll have to check my investment portfolio.

Perhaps I already have, it's quite diverse!

[AtheistCrusader]

36. Damn straight.

Otherwise, I wouldn't need one.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

25. I have always found that term to be something of an oxymoron...as if

I mean, really ....

what gun is NOT an assault weapon, especially in offensive maneuevers....

I guess use defensively one could argue that is not assault but, even then the "type" of weapon has nothing to do with the definition.

so.fucking.silly

Assault rifle. my sweet ass.

[Johnny Rico]

27. The term was used in a Gun Digest publication from 1986,

(What's funny is that the Uzi on top is either a short barreled rifle or fully automatic weapon, which makes it generally unavailable to the public at large...so what's the big deal?)

Bear in mind that the term had been used (rather loosely) in military parlance to describe everything from the Bangalore Torpedo to flamethrowers, but when this particular book came out, the gun control types ran with it. From their point of view, it was a perfect term, because it sounded scary (at least to them) while at the same time not having any particular definition, as opposed to "assault rifle" which does have a specific definition.

The practical term for "assault weapon" is "scary gun with black furniture that we don't like".

[Tuesday Afternoon]

32. it is a stupid term....and has totally confused the issue, imo.

[Johnny Rico]

33. No argument, it's simply a politically expedient way to make guns sound scaaaaary.

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[Tuesday Afternoon]

34. amen. and pass the gravy!

[PavePusher]

29. With appropriate magazine plugs, I don't see why not.

Does it come with a barrel that will accept various choke tubes?

[Johnny Rico]

30. It will accept choke tubes with an adaptor.

Mind you, you might get some funny looks from your hunting buddies when you show up with it in the duck blind...

[PavePusher]

31. I'm all about versatility and modularity.

Some people don't like my current Mossberg 590. Swaps barrels and magazines in a few minutes, going from "scary" to "gross" with a few twists and turns.

Muuuuuaaaaahahahahahahahaha!

[Oneka]

44. mossberg 590

I recently inherited one of these shotguns.
It is a great ruffed grouse gun, though a little heavy, but i haven't been able to find a sporting 24" or 26" barrel to fit it. Do you have to use a model 500 magazine when you switch out the barrels or have you found a sporting barrel that fits with the 590 mag?

My buddies that i shoot skeet with, will no longer let me use the 590 , i humor them to make make them feel that they are doing well.

Thanks in advance.

[PavePusher]

46. You have to change the magazines as well, as the barrel-to-magazine mount is different.

A little more of a pain in the butt, but with practice not too difficult.

[Oneka]

47. thanks for the into

i thought that maybe an 835 barrel might fit as they have the same style loop in the barrel that the mag passes through, but didn't really want to try it. the results of that not being right could be deadly.

[Atypical Liberal]

35. Virtually nothing.

President Obama has done virtually nothing against the second amendment, and in fact has an overall favorable public slant towards it.

He has signed legislation into law that allows concealed carry in national parks (assuming it is legal in the state where the park is located).

He has publicly stated that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right and is the settled law of the land:

"Now, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. And the courts have settled that as the law of the land. In this country, we have a strong tradition of gun ownership that's handed from generation to generation. Hunting and shooting are part of our national heritage. And, in fact, my administration has not curtailed the rights of gun owners - it has expanded them, including allowing people to carry their guns in national parks and wildlife refuges."

He has allowed the importation of US made WWII vintage M1 Garand rifles from South Korea.

About the only anti-firearm thing he has done is he is blocking the import of WWII vintage M1 Carbines from South Korea.

[AtheistCrusader]

37. There were a couple quickly-reveresed policy blunders

like the blockage of M1's imported from South Korea, being returned after we sent them there, and the requirement to shred military brass, that would have ruined the reloading market, but each time the Obama admin has gotten the message and done the right thing.

Also that whole 'renew the AWB' thing that was on Change.Gov has been quietly strangled in some back alley, so overall, I'd give Obama a solid 'A' on gun rights.

[BiggJawn]

38. I'm hearing "Yeah, well, just wait until his SECOND term!"

Funny that in the same breath they admit that the GOP line up is weaksauce and vent their paranoia.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

43. Didn't his administratoin roadblock the reimportation of old C&R rifles?

that's one thing, I guess.

[Oneka]

45. No anti gun legislation,

in fact, as reported up thread he signed legislation that allowed concealed carry in national parks.

He has nominated two Supreme Court Justices who, while having many good qualities in a Justice, are both demonstrably anti gun, and hold opinions on the second amendment, that do not recognize, gun ownership by citizens, as an individual right.

The nomination for appointment of Andrew Traver, as head of the ATF, is also something that could be construed as an assault on 2nd amendment rights. Traver has a long history of anti-gun zealotry, placing him at the top of the ATF is not in keeping with being friendly to the 2nd.

Those few items do not rise to the level of HYPE put out by the NRA.