Gun Control & RKBA
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Over 150 Americans are shot and 83 die from gun violence every day in the United States. Since the horrific massacre of 20 first graders and six caregivers at Sandy Hook Elementary School on Dec. 14, 2012, there have been over 100 more school shootings and over 78,000 more Americans killed by guns in the United States.
As these films portray, the solutions to gun violence are relatively simple, if only Congress would put public safety before self-interest and gun industry campaign contributions, Universal criminal background checks, and other reasonable restrictions, such as limiting unrestricted access to concealed handguns, military style weapons and large capacity ammunition magazines have proven to dramatically reduce preventable gun violence.
A prime example has been set by urban industrial Massachusetts that has enacted commonsense legislation and regulations that have proven to reduce gun deaths. Since 1994 Massachusetts has reduced gun deaths by 45 percent. Until Congress is held accountable the only thing for certain is that we'll be seeing more preventable gun violence and more sad films about the victims.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-rosenthal/gun-violence-five-films-worth-watching_b_7635648.html
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Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Gun deaths are down 50% nationwide since 1994, so MA did worse than average.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)In Massachusetts, where we have some of the most effective gun laws, firearms kill three people per 100,000 each year, compared to the national average of 10 per 100,000. Despite being an urban industrial state, Massachusetts boasts the lowest firearm fatality rate in the nation.
Massachusetts is one of the few states to require gun training, licensing and registration, and consumer protection standards for firearm manufacturers, and is one of only 17 states that require criminal background checks for all gun sales. These tough gun laws strengthen the conclusion reached by the Violence Policy Center, which found that states with the lowest firearm fatality rates have more restrictive gun laws and lower gun ownership rates.
http://cognoscenti.wbur.org/2012/08/29/gun-laws-rosenthal
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Take this data
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-20/table_20_murder_by_state_types_of_weapons_2013.xls
and go to wikipedia for population size of each state.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)beevul
(12,194 posts)Seeing as VT had 2 firearm homicides that year, while MA had 118.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state
The morale of the story, is never trust the vpc or its sycophants.
beevul
(12,194 posts)1.4364101238185527 per 100000
Doesn't paint quite the same picture as the VPC would have everyone see, does it.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)States with the Five Highest Gun Death Rates
(Rank State Household Gun Ownership Gun Death Rate Per 100,000)
1 Louisiana 45.6 percent 18.91
2 Mississippi 54.3 percent 17.80
3 Alaska 60.6 percent 17.41
4 Wyoming 62.8 percent 16.92
5 Montana 61.4 percent 16.74
States with the Five Lowest Gun Death Rates
(Rank State Household Gun Ownership Gun Death Rate Per 100,000)
50 Rhode Island 13.3 percent 3.14
49 Hawaii 9.7 percent 3.56
48 Massachusetts 12.8 percent 3.84
47 New York 18.1 percent 5.11
46 New Jersey 11.3 percent 5.46
For a list of gun death rates in all 50 states, Visit Here.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/20/1308465/-New-Study-Ranks-50-States-By-Gun-Sense-And-Gun-Violence-Deaths#
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)I said gun deaths have droppped 50% nationwide, and MA did worse than the national average.
They had a lower homicide rate before the law was passed, and have dropped, but you can not attribute a 45% drop when the national average dropped 50%
"The new study found U.S. firearm homicides peaked in 1993 at 7.0 deaths per 100,000 people. But by 2010, the rate was 49% lower"
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/08/us/study-gun-homicide/
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)This table summarizes what we found:
This disproves the clear wording of the meme. Over the past 12 years, the number of gun homicides is down 6 percent, and the rate of gun homicides is down 16 percent. Both are well below the 49 percent claimed in the post.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jun/16/facebook-posts/viral-meme-says-gun-homicides-are-down-49-percent-/
Human101948
(3,457 posts)get anywhere close to MA.
clffrdjk
(905 posts)That shows just how close MA is to the other states. In all actually they fell bellow the average. So maybe you should be asking why MA did so poorly, and how on earth are they claiming that the gun laws gave them an extra 40% reduction.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)We don't state people jumping off of buildings intentionally as being victims of building violence, people who intentionally OD on OTC drugs victims of drug violence (nor do we count these people as Healthcare fatalities)... fully 2/3 of the 30k are intentionally self inflicted....omission of this fact when addressing the public, who doesn't know that the 30k number is bogus, is just dishonest..
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)In the national debate over gun violence—a debate stoked by mass murders such as last December’s tragedy in a Newtown, Connecticut, elementary school—a glaring fact gets obscured: Far more people kill themselves with a firearm each year than are murdered with one. In 2010 in the U.S., 19,392 people committed suicide with guns, compared with 11,078 who were killed by others. According to Matthew Miller, associate director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center (HICRC) at Harvard School of Public Health, “If every life is important, and if you’re trying to save people from dying by gunfire, then you can’t ignore nearly two-thirds of the people who are dying.” Suicide is the 10th-leading cause of death in the U.S.; in 2010, 38,364 people killed themselves. In more than half of these cases, they used firearms. Indeed, more people in this country kill themselves with guns than with all other intentional means combined, including hanging, poisoning or overdose, jumping, or cutting. Though guns are not the most common method by which people attempt suicide, they are the most lethal. About 85 percent of suicide attempts with a firearm end in death. (Drug overdose, the most widely used method in suicide attempts, is fatal in less than 3 percent of cases.) Moreover, guns are an irreversible solution to what is often a passing crisis. Suicidal individuals who take pills or inhale car exhaust or use razors have time to reconsider their actions or summon help. With a firearm, once the trigger is pulled, there’s no turning back.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine-features/guns-and-suicide-the-hidden-toll/
pipoman
(16,038 posts)If this is the claim, then the claim that legal concealed carry results in less gun deaths must be true...it must also be true that more guns leads to less crime since crime has been in decline for the last 40 years during unprecedented gun sales...there are more fun stats we can use if correlation = Causation is the new game...
ileus
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DashOneBravo
(2,679 posts)clffrdjk
(905 posts)I am also not entirely sure that secmo is not a bot.
SecMo is starting to like us more.
