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Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 02:35 PM Aug 2015

A few days ago 8 were murdered by a criminal with a gun.

I saw one OP on this horrible act. This was a MASS MURDER. I would have supported an exception to the promiscuous GD gun ban topics for this. Even I. But where is the discussion????

As some have pointed out, people in DU seem to have more concern with a theater hatchet man and a theater shooter (2 dead), and can can readily cash in their frequent flyer miles for yet another rolling exception to the GD guns ban. More disturbing, however, is the rolling silence over this Mass Murder. It seems only some lives matter, esp. if they are more fairly complected, or there is a hush-hush of the killings because it didn't fit the proper image

Narratives® are.

Maybe this will get locked, but DU members, esp those who's bile and animos are famous, have some explaining to do. I also wonder if the hosts/mods in GD even noticed this tragedy.

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A few days ago 8 were murdered by a criminal with a gun. (Original Post) Eleanors38 Aug 2015 OP
3 women/day killed in US by intimate partner, which is more than by police, but yes, crickets zazen Aug 2015 #1
It's possible that many of us, SheilaT Aug 2015 #2
Respectully, there is more to it than "mind-numbing figures." Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #4
To many the manner of death, is far more important than "WHY" it happened in the first place... virginia mountainman Aug 2015 #3
A good critique of CNN's own self-fulfilling prophesy. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #5
Here's why no coverage, in a nutshell shadowrider Aug 2015 #6
Sadly... virginia mountainman Aug 2015 #7

zazen

(2,978 posts)
1. 3 women/day killed in US by intimate partner, which is more than by police, but yes, crickets
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 02:43 PM
Aug 2015

There were a few posts about it and I've kept bringing up gender violence the whole weekend.

Apparently, only violence by strangers is worthy of excluding all other injustices.

The women of all races who are murdered, let alone beaten and raped, by their intimate partners, usually of their own race, is somehow less urgent and not worthy of disrupting a campaign about.

I think this is because there's still the insinuation that she's somehow complicitous, or that it's "natural" or evolutionarily driven or something. And also, because frankly, battered women's lives matter less.

My local paper described the "couple as having a history of conflict." No. He was a batterer and she was terrified for her life. It wasn't some neutral conflict.

African American women face additional burdens of silence and isolation in domestic violence because of pressure by the community not to turn in their partners, who are indeed discriminated against by the criminal justice system, and because sometimes the woman herself might get charged. They have less of a safety net (if one is possible against a man intent on killing you), and that's being cut out more every day by GOP benefit cuts.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
2. It's possible that many of us,
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 02:49 PM
Aug 2015

no matter where we stand on the continuum of gun control/gun ownership, have just gotten sufficiently wearied by all these gun murders that they hardly seem worth discussing any more. Every single day in this country about thirty people are killed by guns, and that's not counting the many more who kill themselves or who get shot by cops.

Every single day. Whatever you think about the causes, whatever you think is the answer, whatever your opinion about the access to guns in this country, it's a mind-numbing number. Every day another 30 gun deaths. Does it really matter if it's thirty individual deaths or someone who kills eight or twelve or thirty-five?

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
4. Respectully, there is more to it than "mind-numbing figures."
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 03:11 PM
Aug 2015

If ever there was a case for a "Gunz Everywhere!" discussion Anywhere in DU, this was it. But, no: fear is stoked among those who see violence lurking in their just-so coffee enfused world. And that fear comes from the CelebroKillers who follow trends in the culture. What happens in a Houston ward and a Chicago slum seems of little concern.

Houston killer: 8

LA theater killer: 2

LA Airsoft/hatchet theater blowhole: 0

You be the judge of the coverage in DU, even when a posting of the Houston killings is made. I find the "outpouring of compassion" infuriating!

virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
3. To many the manner of death, is far more important than "WHY" it happened in the first place...
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 03:07 PM
Aug 2015

Be it by gun, hatchet, partner, or auto accident...

They only "care" and get "outraged" if it fits their narrative, everyone else can go pound sand. A recent amusing thing now is even if the murder does NOT use a firearm, they go to "just imagine how much worse it COULD have been if he had a gun"..

It is almost like the MSM, want gun murders to push their agenda, if they don't get one, they "imagine it", and YOU gentle reader, should nod in agreement.

The most recent example of this twisted logic..

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/05/opinions/ben-ghiat-gun-violence-economic-toll

That the alleged assailant in Nashville, Vincente David Montano, was wielding a pellet gun that only, quite convincingly, looked like a real gun changes the outcome, but not the terror. Some of us may decide going out to the movies isn’t worth it.

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The strength of the gun lobby in America and the fears of some that they will lose rights conferred, they say, by the Second Amendment are only part of the reason such topics are mostly avoided in the business world, including in the business media. Our attachment to guns crosses lines of race, gender and sexual orientation: it is a national disposition. Who wants to mess with that?

shadowrider

(4,941 posts)
6. Here's why no coverage, in a nutshell
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 03:53 PM
Aug 2015

It was black on black; it doesn't fit the narrative.

Had a white guy done this, there would be an overflow of outrage, but it wasn't and there isn't.

If there were ever to be outrage, it would be every week where 8 dead is a slow weekend in Chicago (a gun free mecca by the way). There isn't outrage about that. Only when a white guy pulls the trigger.

Black Lives Matter (BLM), only counts or shows when a white guy is the perp. BLM couldn't care less about black on black crime. Once they start marching in Chicago to show black lives matter, they may get some support from me.

Note to jury: hide if you must, but do a search on gun violence threads before you vote. You'll see I'm absolutely correct.

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