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virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 01:26 AM Aug 2015

Completely preventable problems in Oregon,

Shades of the mass non-compliance in Colorado, New York, and large amounts of Non-compliance in Connecticut...

Gun Control advocates out right LIED to the public to pass a almost totally unenforceable mandatory background check bill (that effectively outlawed target shooting with friends on your own property, what ever that has to do with background checks might I digress) But again, like in New York state, Many sheriffs in Oregon, are on the record of NOT enforcing the new law... Once again, we are seeing a population effectively nullify a law.

Once again gun control advocates have the thorny problem of enforcing a very poorly thought out law they ran thru using emotions instead of facts,, a law that really has no way of being enforced against anyone with half a brain in the first place, But hey, THAT IS THEIR PROBLEM.

Many FFL dealers are also refusing to "facilitate" the person to person background checks as well.

Now, like the New York and Colorado governor, they get to figure out how to enforce the law, when the "governed" refuse to be governed, and the "enforcers" are not going to enforce. And the "governed and enforcers" side by side, are holding up a middle finger right at the statehouse, while saying " Do something about it, it's YOUR move".

I think we are well past a point, where any further gun control is impossible, no matter what a man wearing a suit in a far off city says. If they can't even register more than 5% or more of the restricted guns in New York,

An interesting read in the Oregon press, a few excerpts...

"Several sheriffs in mostly rural counties — but not Lane County — have said they simply won’t enforce the law at all"

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In early June, the Lane County Board of Commissioners approved, on a 4-1 vote, an ordinance that declared the new law “an unfunded mandate” from the state. It said that the county “is unable” to spend “any county resources” on implementing or enforcing it.

On Monday, Lane County Sheriff Byron Trapp characterized that ordinance as a “statement of fact” rather than “a policy statement” that the county won’t enforce the law.

However, he added that the sheriff’s office has two-thirds the number of deputies it did in 2007, which means its focus is on crimes that “involve an immediate threat to a person or property.”

Enforcing SB 941 “doesn’t rise to the level of calls that keep my guys busy every day,” Trapp said.


http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/33386692-75/oregon-gun-sale-background-checks-law-gets-off-to-rough-start.html.csp

Josephine County Sheriff Dave Daniel is on the record as saying:

“I can’t enforce that law, so therefore it won’t be enforced. It doesn’t fit on my scale of priorities. I have felonies going on daily in Josephine County. That’s my priority.”


Several other Sheriffs are on the record practically saying the same thing.

It is very refreshing to see people standing up for their rights by ignoring B.S. filled illegal laws. Gun Control advocates created this mess, I wonder how they plan to clean it up? Or will they just cry about "loopholes" that inevitably happen when you use emotions as a guide when writing laws in the dead of night? It's BS like this that is one of the BIG reasons that Democrats in political offices are almost extinct in most of the nation.

I wonder if Bloomberg's money can buy compliance? He is trying with 6 figures in Oregon....
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Completely preventable problems in Oregon, (Original Post) virginia mountainman Aug 2015 OP
I am in Oregon Backwoodsrider Aug 2015 #1
You can say.. virginia mountainman Aug 2015 #2
good info thank you Backwoodsrider Aug 2015 #4
Actually Kang Colby Aug 2015 #5
Thanks for the correction! virginia mountainman Aug 2015 #6
if all gun owners left their guns at home all the time this sort of process would not happen nt msongs Aug 2015 #3
Do tell.. virginia mountainman Aug 2015 #7
OK, start with the criminals ... DonP Aug 2015 #8
But citizens have a right to bear arms as per the Constitution... Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #9
Publicity surrounding this broad non-compliance is a *great* thing. pablo_marmol Aug 2015 #10
Ha ha ha! Lie #3,730 exposed. pablo_marmol Aug 2015 #11

Backwoodsrider

(764 posts)
1. I am in Oregon
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 01:39 AM
Aug 2015

And yes being from a gun trading family we were concerned when this law passed but our sherriff is not going to enforce it. The problem I see though is that now the gov can use this new law to go after us gun sellers if one of the guns we sold "illegally"is used in a crime and traceable back to us the seller. We know our buyers and they seem normal but that's what they said about Jeffery Domer so being extra careful.

virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
2. You can say..
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 02:09 AM
Aug 2015

You sold it before the law took effect.... OR, Their is NO gun registration in Oregon, so how can they tell?

Their is no way to prove otherwise, without eyewitnesses. And gun shops are ONLY required to hold Form 4473 for 5 years, it is against federal law to use them to form a registry, and who is to say you sold the gun to an out of state FFL at a gun show and you don't remember who it was, and it came back into Oregon from a neighboring state?

The law is so poorly written as too make it laughably unenforceable ..

I, my friends, and family have long traded in guns as well, and I have used "due diligence" in all folks I have sold too over the years, and I sleep with a clear conscience. We will continue to do so, no matter what any politician says. I will even sell a firearm to a total stranger if he/she produces a DL, and a Concealed Carry permit. Which is far more than the state of Virginia requires of me too do.

I am not against background checks, I think we are close to the right balance now, but BS, is BS, and that law... is, pure BS. They should open NICS checks to everyone.... I would use it.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
5. Actually
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 08:31 AM
Aug 2015
All FFLs shall retain each Form 4473 and 4473(LV) for a period not less than 20 years from the date of sale or disposition of the firearms. Forms 4473 obtained by FFLs where the NICS check was initiated, but the sale, delivery, or transfer of the firearm was not completed must be retained for a period of not less than 5 years.



By law and regulation, when a firearms dealer, importer, or manufacturer dies or goes out of business, the Acquisition/ Disposition records (“Bound Book”) kept by the business, must be delivered to the ATF Out-of-Business Center (ATF National Tracing Center). Currently (according to the 2010 ATF Budget Submission), over 1.2 million records per month are turned in to ATF.


If you buy two or more handguns and in some cases rifles (depending on the state), that is immediately reported to the ATF and local CLEO.
https://www.atf.gov/file/61426/
https://www.atf.gov/file/61421/download
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/10/robert-farago/atf-etrace-revealed-backdoor-national-firearms-registration-scheme/
https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
8. OK, start with the criminals ...
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 10:49 AM
Aug 2015

... and gangs that aren't allowed to have them in the first place and let us know when that's done

The day after you have all of the criminals and gang guns left at home, we'll start leaving ours too.

Be sure and keep us posted on how that's going for you.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
9. But citizens have a right to bear arms as per the Constitution...
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 02:38 PM
Aug 2015

Though your comment is off-subject, It seems to suggest citizens should not be able to exercise the right to bear arms.

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
10. Publicity surrounding this broad non-compliance is a *great* thing.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:17 AM
Aug 2015

Good post, VM.

People across the country are saying to themselves...."Wait a minute. I thought that The Controllers told us that law enforcement universally supports all forms of gun control. What's going on here?"

Lie #3,729 from The Controllers exposed

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
11. Ha ha ha! Lie #3,730 exposed.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:26 AM
Aug 2015

Opposition to the background check expansion has been strong in Lane County, despite the area’s liberal political leanings. Two local Democratic lawmakers, Rep. Val Hoyle and Sen. Floyd Prozanski, were targeted for recalls by opponents of the policy.

We're told that a major litmus test for determining "true liberal" status is support of gun restriction measures.


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