Read and discuss....

[ileus]

http://www.loudountimes.com/news/article/a_day_at_the_nations_gun_show_in_dulles432



The Times-Mirror could not find any vendor who required a background check for purchasing firearms, even semi-automatic handguns or rifles.

Several unlicensed dealers walked the floor with automatic rifles strapped to their backs, “for sale” signs inserted into the barrels.

Vendors at last weekend’s show required the obligatory two forms of identification -- a valid Virginia driver’s license and a credit card -- to purchase any gun at the show.



~~~They know who their readers are. The person who wrote this should be laughed out of their job.~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Someone has never been to a gun show if they think it's the only show where you can renew an NRA membership or join the NRA.

I don't know about other states but Va requires a State Police background check along with the 4473.

You also can't buy without two actual forms of ID.


Other than a few pictures, I really doubt the writer actually attended this or any other gunshow, it reads like he took bloombergs talking points puked them back out as truth.

[randys1]

1. So this comment is a lie?

The Times-Mirror could not find any vendor who required a background check for purchasing firearms, even semi-automatic handguns or rifles.

The reporter is lying, made it up?

[Duckhunter935]

2. I would say so

[randys1]

3. Oy, so when the reported facts dont jive with what you believe, you call it a lie?

Is there any reason to call this source a liar?

Are you a liberal Democrat?

Support Gay rights, Woman reproductive healthcare, minority rights, voting rights, affirmative action, etc?

If so, then your position on guns is your position on guns.

I can live with that.

[Duckhunter935]

4. yes having been to many gun shows

And every one has most vendors that are required by federal laws and do perform background checks. I have never seen anyone with automatic weapons strapped across their backs. Semi-automatic rifles, yes.

[randys1]

5. Question

Are you a liberal Democrat?

Support Gay rights, Woman reproductive healthcare, minority rights, voting rights, affirmative action, etc?

If so, then your position on guns is your position on guns.

I can live with that. Dont like it but given your are a liberal otherwise, fine.

[Duckhunter935]

6. of course I do

Supported those before that great liberal Hillary evolved. And as I am sure you have read from my many posts, I am for sensible firearms regulations.

[randys1]

7. Good, but why take a swipe at the likely nominee of our party? What does it accomplish?

[Duckhunter935]

8. because I am not voting for her

In the primary. I prefer the person that has held liberal views for the late 40 years. Is not beholden to Wall Street, voted for illegal wars. I am for the true liberal, that has shown by his actions over many years.

[randys1]

10. So am I , but I dont attack Hillary you see because I am pretty sure

of two things

1. she will likely be the nominee and if so I want as little negatives on her as possible as the alternative could literally be life and death for many

2. if she isnt the nominee Bernie will need and WANT her in his corner, big time, count on it

[Duckhunter935]

12. good for you

You have not said one bad thing about any of the candidates. I am sure you never attacked or posted anything derogatory about the others. Did you post anything on Bernie and his firearms votes, I hope you did not, that could be seen as you being a hypocrite. I am sure that can't be true.

[randys1]

13. Nope, not one. I have asked honest questions about his gun stance and something about the

defense industry, I think, but it has been a long time now.

I am a liberal, I find Hillary far too moderate for my taste and I find Bernie not liberal enough on some stuff.

But criticizing them is a waste of time.

If I do criticize usually it is Hillary for her Wall Street buddy buddy stuff.

[Big_Mike]

21. My problem with Hillary as the presumptive candidate

is her unbelievably stupid move on the private server. The law is the law, and she had classified material on an non-certified server set up without the appropriate safeguards, let alone to the standard needed as one of the highest officials in Washington. By the State Departments own count, over 1000 emails have been deemed classified. The test is when they were classified. If after they were received or sent, an argument could be made that there is no harm or foul. However, some interpretations of the regulations concerning items from foreign governments are created classified, regardless of whether marked or not. I do know that if a regular Joe Schmoe enlisted slime or low level State Dept employee did this, the clearance would be pulled immediately, and he'd be looking at 10 years or so in the pen.

But for political elite, such as Mrs. Clinton, Sandy Berger, Bud McFarlane, and others, the rules are different. I personally think she didn't do it intentionally, but I do believe she is guilty of violating national security regulations and should be punished accordingly. This would, of course, remove her from contention in the election.

[randys1]

37. That is the problem the right has with Hillary.

[Big_Mike]

45. Randy, for all my military career, I had access to classified material

And for the last 3 years, I had daily access to TS/SCI material. I was read into some of the same compartments that she, as SecState, was read into. I am absolutely certain that had I done 1/100th of what has already been spread over the newspapers, I would have had my clearance pulled, been read my rights, and prosecuted under the appropriate regulations pertaining to national security.

I had a kid that worked for me place classified material on top of his car so he could unlock his door to transport the material to a classified location, sit down in the car, and drive off with the material still on his roof. It blew off, and was found by a German cleaning lady, whose father just happened to be mayor of a town in Hungary, then behind the Iron Curtain. Said kid was reduced to the lowest enlisted rank and was never again promoted while he continued to serve.

I personally know of multiple cases where violations of security happened, and the people involved were basically destroyed in place. Some simply got bad discharges and went home, others had to stop by Ft. Leavenworth for a few or 20 years before going home.

This is VERY serious. Even Snowden says so. If Hillary Clinton does not go to trial about this, it will cause unbelievable damage to our national security, simply because everyone will then be able to say "She got away with it. Why am I being charged?" And this will stick. Scum like Jonathan Pollard did 25 years in part for essentially what she is accused of doing. She is, of course, not a spy; but should face charges for the negligent handling of classified material. Now, if she goes to trial and wins, great. She is a smart and experienced woman, one whom I would much rather see as Secretary of the UN than President Obama, if truth be told. I just don't think she will be able to run for POTUS this go around. I feel strongly that if Attorney General Lynch does not prefer charges, that will start the bells officially tolling for the concept of one law for all.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

24. Does your support for gay rights, minority rights and women's rights include

the right to self defense or are homophobes, rapists and Klansmen given free rein to creep up in the middle of the night when the cops aren't around (or are the cops)?

[SecularMotion]

26. FYI: Duckhunter935 is blocked from posting

in the Hillary Clinton group, the History of Feminism group, and the African American group.

He has not been blocked from posting in GC&RKBA.

[Duckhunter935]

27. does that matter

Those are protected groups who can block anyone they want. It is thier group and if they want to block a person they can if you do not agree in lock step with every post
, even those that are disgusting.if you notice only 2 are blocked from the RKBA group. That group is open and allows all sides of an issue. I feel that is a good thing. That is unlike some groups like yours that are afraid of any discussion and must censor views. Very democratic in my opinion.

[ileus]

32. Lots of thin skinned groups out there.

[randys1]

33. I get it, I am just trying to create bridges. If GGJohn and I can become friends, and we

have, then anything is possible along these lines and I think I can speak for John when I say we need to encourage both sides of the gun issue to try and find a resolution while, and this is just as important, working together on the other stuff.

We are liberals, some of us more liberal than others, it is our JOB to do this.

[SecularMotion]

34. Like the republicans in Congress, the anti-regulation crowd are RW obstructionists.

They have no interest in compromise or common ground.

It's a waste of time to look to the anti-regulation crowd for any resolutions. They value their guns more than human lives.

[Duckhunter935]

35. very true, thanks

We are all liberals and should be able to work together

[Big_Mike]

46. You sir, are a person to emulate. I would that more people here in DU overall felt that way

I occasionally debate in other fora, but I always try to be polite about it. I am perhaps not as liberal as some on all issues, but certainly more liberal than others in many. I believe that healthy debate sharpens our minds and our arguments against the willfully blind people of America.

I hope that while we may occasionally disagree over individual issues, we can agree that we need for a liberal mindset to be the guiding principal of the US, and not a closed off mindset, afraid of change, and unwilling to face the facts on the ground. Should we develop a set of blinders that only allows us to see in one direction towards one given goal, I believe we will fail as a nation and as a people.

[Lizzie Poppet]

9. It's that the reporter's assertion is incredibly far-fetched.

Unless they were at a gun show with no actual licensed gun dealers (and while such a thing may exist, I've certainly never heard of one), the notion of no background checks being conducted is ludicrous. A dealer failing to comply with the federal law mandating such checks would be risking the loss of their business and imprisonment. While I don't doubt there were unlicensed private individuals walking around the show selling guns, such have always been in the large minority at any gun show I've attended (100's...).

I suspect what the reporter may have seen is the sort of "not-a-gun-dealer" gun dealer, someone with a couple tables full of tactical junk and a few firearms for sale, that President Obama's recent actions just put out of business unless they get licensed. Great decision on the president's part, btw...

Personally, I'm not ready to call the reporter a liar...just sloppy.

[Duckhunter935]

11. and the article seems to state

It is one of the largest gun shows in the state.

[Lizzie Poppet]

16. Then no way most of the dealers weren't FFLs.

And I'm not buying that FFL-holders weren't running background checks (or certainly not all of them...you never know when there might one idiot who wants a vacation in Club Fed). That just makes zero sense. As I said upthread, I'm not saying the reporter was lying, only that they did a half-assed job.

[Eleanors38]

17. Randys1: Are you now or have you ever been a liberal?

[Duckhunter935]

18. love it

[Eleanors38]

19. Some people think they are in charge of moral interrogation.

[Lurks Often]

28. That one seems to think he is the final authority on all things liberal

and progressive

[DonP]

29. Sorry, we already have one that thinks they are the host and resident Zampolit

Somebody break the news to them that ... "The "GC/RKBA Imaginary Host" position has been filled, please leave your resume and we will contact you if an opportunity opens up".

[Lurks Often]

36. This one doesn't restrict himself Gun Control & RKBA

That one seems to think he is the final authority on all things liberal and progressive throughout all of DU

[DonP]

38. On the plus side he doesn't appear to be a "Calculuz" teacher

So thank heaven for small favors.

[Lurks Often]

39. Our calculuz professor is back from another vacation

I'm sure he'll be along soon enough

[DonP]

40. He's been going on a lot of those lately

And while he's been away more states are allowing Campus Carry.

But maybe this time he's "learned his lesson" on how to behave? Nah!!!

[Lurks Often]

41. Hah, the only question is how long he lasts

before his next vacation

[Duckhunter935]

42. not long

He is still posting insults

[DonP]

43. Last time he was gone again in 3 or 4 days.

Even with 4 hides he couldn't keep his mouth civil or shut.

[ileus]

14. Yes.

http://www.thenationsgunshow.com/firearm-purchase-requirements.html

http://www.thenationsgunshow.com/

I find it hard to believe in 1300 tables there wasn't one single FFL.


http://nebula.wsimg.com/1b82d244ca4deacf8d62d1d778f56659?AccessKeyId=009D7D5830E9FB7317D0&disposition=0&alloworigin=1


http://nebula.wsimg.com/18c09ba67a4b823ec1b4b108ba4d031c?AccessKeyId=009D7D5830E9FB7317D0&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

[Duckhunter935]

15. very nice, that article in the OP has so many errors

I doubt the reporter even when the to the show. I call bullshit on that article.

[ileus]

22. I even doubt the "enough firepower to blow a groundhog away from 100 yards" statement.

No self respecting shooter would make such a stupid statement. A 22lr has enough firepower to kill groundhogs at 100 yards.



He's talking about the company that developed the 6.5 grendel and 50 Beowulf

[krispos42]

20. Almost certainly.

The majority of people selling guns at a gun show are dealers. A lot of them have stores and they bring a select inventory to the show. Others are part-time "kitchen table" dealers that buy and sell used guns as a side business. Gun shows are what they use in lieu of a storefront.

Most private sellers don't have enough guns for sale to make renting a table at a gun show worthwhile. They might bring guns there to try to find a dealer to buy it, I guess.

Gun shows attract dealers from all over the region. It's a regular marketplace.

[ileus]

23. Finally proof of at least one FFL dealer.

http://www.alexanderarms.com/news-events/172-2016-nations-gun-show

[Duckhunter935]

25. looks like two

[ileus]

30. There was probably 100 Vendors with FFLs

[Duckhunter935]

31. at the least with that many tables.

Makes the writer look like a idiot if he could not find at least one or he is lying.

[Kang Colby]

44. Strange....

I didn't see a single dealer that didn't require a NICS check. What an idiot. Do you have any idea the number of law enforcement personnel including Virginia State Police that hang out at that show? LOL...

I have to give The Nation's Gunshow some credit. They have really stepped up their game. This past show reminded me of the gunshows of days gone by. I swear, i havent seen a show of this caliber since right after the AWB expired in 2004. Starting this past November, they expanded to another hall at the Dulles Expo Center. In total it's a few miles worth of guns, ammo, and shooting supplies.

If you are within an hour or two of this show, I highly recommend it. You won't be disappointed. Good deals on guns, ammo, reloading supplies, NFA items, etc. Honestly, I can say that this show was like the Kittery Trading Post x 1000. Honestly, if you've ever made the trip to KTP...you know that's saying something.