Lawmakers say Ohio shooting won't change nation's gun rights
House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) downplayed new gun control legislation in light of Monday's high-school shooting in his native Ohio.
Asked if the shooting would prompt some kind of legislative crackdown on gun rights, Boehner nixed the idea.
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The shooting took place roughly 25 miles east of Cleveland, an area represented by Rep. Steven LaTourette (R-Ohio), a close Boehner ally. LaTourette took to the House floor Tuesday afternoon to lead the chamber in a moment of silence. He condemned a tragedy he said has become "all too frequent" in the United States, but did not address the issue of gun reform.
LaTourette spokeswoman Deborah Setliff said it would be "inappropriate" to talk about gun reforms so soon after the shooting. "That's not even an issue to be discussed right now," she said.
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/213107-boehner-ohio-shooting-wont-change-gun-rights
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...and is along a major drug smuggling route. Funny how you leave those two essential facts out. 
...that addresses the still unacceptably high level of gun violence, while balancing the concerns of gun owners and victims, in order to reduce the number of criminal acts committed with guns.
My turn: You were explicitly requested by a female member of DU to change your over-the-top and crass signature line and still have not done so. Do you not care that by all accounts a reasonable woman finds it to be out-of-line?
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 05:29 AM
29. A little off topic here, but...
A little off topic here, but...
please reconsider your "definition" of gun control at the end of your posts.
For the record, we are gun owners in this home. My husband is an avid sportsman. I don't know enough about guns and during his retirement we're going to spend some time on that.
I had a very close family member who was raped. I won't go into any detail about it, but there is no way she could have reached for a gun at any time.
Your "definition", which I'm sure is well-meant, is actually just causing some people here consternation about very painful episodes in their lives.
I know you mean no disrespect and am quite sure that you don't actually want to turn people away from what you believe in.
Thanks for listening.
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/117218217#post29
Do you not care or do you care and still don't give a shit how offensive that little screed that seems to be all over the right-wing gun nut blogosphere is to women because it politicizes rape?
You just don't like my answer because your playing a game that involves me getting super-specific and then you complaining about it like a wailing toddler.
You answer my question and I might decide to humor you by getting into specifics.
Why is it that you are quoting a Libertarian author who they love over at Free Republic and are ignoring the objections of a Democratic woman to its political usage of rape? Do you think rape is something that should be flung at your political opponents?
I suggest you change your signature line, and I also take deep offense at your image that uses totalitarian dictators as a political tool also. Repugnant. 
...are you suggesting that men shouldn't stand up with women for not being used as a political punchline by a bunch of Freepers? Excuse me. You need to take a hint and change it. Are you really that resistant to change that you refuse to go with something less offensive?
I have a life and I get out plenty.
...that right-wing non-sense?
You've posted since: http://www.democraticunderground.com/117218901#post4
Why do you feel the need to demonize those who disagree with you? Why aren't you being responsive to blue_neen?
...they should toe the party line unless they want to be openly questioned by their fellow partisans on why they are dissenting. That's party politics, and it might not be the ideal, but it's the way it has been since George W. Washington left office.
Would you vote against a Democrat to the benefit of a Republican because of your beliefs regarding firearm regulation?
The reference is to the specific policy outcome, not to the system itself.
...they are. Is it really that hard to see where there's an issue with unsecured guns here? I'm sorry, but if you can't see the wisdom of CAP laws at the very least I just don't know what to say...
There it is again. What is the fascination with that phrase? I googled it and I only find it on pro-gunner websites
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A way to deflect claims of responsibility
"I'm rubber you're glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!"
I would note though, that I haven't seen anyone critical of our failing gun control policies accuse the opposing side of "dancing in the blood of the victims."
belongs to a school system that does not deal with bullying or identifying those who need help and providing it. Had that been in place, the problem would not exist. But that is hard work and requires deep thinking and real effort on the parties involved, which is often too much to ask in our society. So politicians see theater to make themselves look good, and ideologues (who wouldn't give a rat's ass if he used any other weapon, even if he killed more people, hence "dancing in blood"
use it for propaganda.
I am simply sharing the view of German sociologist Wilhelm Heitmeyer expressed after Tristan van der Vlis shot a bunch of people in a Dutch mall, that stricter gun laws is a distraction from the real issue. (IIRC, Dutch law enforcement do not have access to mental health records while processing gun permits, since their laws were aimed to curb political violence.) The real issue is why do people need to "show in such a dreadful manner that they matter." The real issue is about bullying.
Banning guns, arming teachers, and other distractions are just that. None of them deal with the real fucking issue. If we deal with the real issue, the guns won't matter.
...this kid was not especially bullied. Rather, I would argue that the bigger issue we're dealing with his dysfunctional parents making dysfunctional children who then have easy access to weapons.
February 28, 2012 5:40 PM
CHARDON, Ohio - The teenager accused of killing three students in a shooting spree in an Ohio high school cafeteria chose his victims at random and is "someone who's not well," a prosecutor said Tuesday as the slightly built young man appeared in juvenile court.
TJ Lane, 17, admitted taking a .22-caliber pistol and a knife to Chardon High and firing 10 shots at a group of students sitting at a cafeteria table Monday morning, Prosecutor David Joyce said. Joyce said Lane will probably be charged with three counts of aggravated murder and other offenses.
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Afterward, though, the prosecutor appeared to rule out rumors and speculation that the gunman lashed out after being bullied or that the shooting had something to do with drug-dealing.
"He chose his victims at random. This is not about bullying. This is not about drugs," Joyce said. "This is someone who's not well, and I'm sure in our court case we'll prove that to all of your desires and we'll make sure justice is done here in this county."
More: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57387081/prosecutor-ohio-shooting-not-about-bullying/
Domestic violence is clearly a factor in this case:
Published: Monday, February 27, 2012, 11:31 PM Updated: Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 7:47 PM
Rachel Dissell, The Plain Dealer By Rachel Dissell, The Plain Dealer
CHARDON, Ohio -- It appears that T.J. Lane had violence in his life from the beginning.
Geauga County court records show the father of the teen who authorities say shot five students at Chardon High School on Monday had been arrested many times for violent crimes against women in his life, including Lane's mother. More than once, police or courts warned him to stay away from the boy and his mother.
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The teen had one prior case in Geauga County Juvenile court two years ago. Officials would not release information on the case. But several at the court said the family's troubles were known to social workers in the county.
The father, Thomas Lane Jr., was known to county authorities because of a series of arrests for abusing women in his life, court records show. It's not clear how much contact the father and son had.
More: http://www.cleveland.com/chardon-shooting/index.ssf/2012/02/parents_of_teen_accused_of_sho.html
We live in a culture that glorifies violence, glorifies gun violence, and allows easy access to guns for prohibited classes such as the criminal, the mentally-ill, and those underage.
I give a "rat's ass." I suggest you stop using the phrase as it makes you sound simplistic and crass. This is the real issue. Guns when not in use should be secured, we will found out soon enough if this gun was secured or not. But from the preliminary report, this gun was "left in a barn" by either the uncle or the grandfather. That is the fact of the case, as it has been for many.
He stole the pistol from his uncle. How was it secured? I don't know. Do you? Did he break the lock? I doubt it was just sitting in a drawer. As far as I can tell, his uncle was not a prohibited person.
I agree they should be properly secured when not in use.
I'm glad you do. I was not speaking of you specifically, but that is my observation of the gun control movement, such as it is. I meant to be crass. Tell me, if he used a machete would there have been a post here? Think it would be on Brady's radar? Notice they talk about "gun violence" not "violence"
As for the DA, he is a lawyer trying to get a conviction. May be true, it may not be. Ultimately, it is Master Lane's responsibility. He stole the pistol, he took it to school, he fired it.
It is not the fault of the uncle, mother, system, or even the fucking NRA. It is TJ Lane's, and his alone.
You may have something there. Germany and Switzerland are the lands of Schützenfest but, shooter video games are illegal. Hanover, Germany, has the world's largest.
Got a good grip on your pearls yet?
This high school student is firing SIG 550 assault rifle supplied by the Swiss Army (with the selector switch covered so she does not accidently put it on full auto) during Schützenfest. She is competing with others in her age group with the same rifle.
this nine year old is aiming, but has to wait a few years before she can compete with it.
The 8-15 year olds compete with air pistols and air rifles.
...because Ohio doesn't have a CAP law of any sort. Neither did Washington...
More surgery for Bremerton school shooting victim, Amina Bowman
by KING 5 News
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:48 PM
Updated Friday, Feb 24 at 2:55 PM
SEATTLE -- The third-grade girl accidentally shot while in her Bremerton classroom this week underwent another surgery at Harborview Medical Center Friday morning.
Doctors for Amina Bowman, 8, said she had another "exploratory" surgery at 10:30 a.m. at Harborview. They will allow her condition to stabilize for a few days before performing more surgery. Doctors did not specifically say what was done during the surgery.
Amina remains in critical condition in the Intensive Care Unit.
At a press conference Thursday, Dr. Eileen Bulger, Harborview's Medical Director for Emergency Services and one of Amina's surgeons, said the bullet from the .45 caliber semi-automatic pistol that shot the little girl remains lodged in the muscles around her spine. Amina was shot in the arm, shattering those bones and the bullet continued through her stomach, causing serious damage to her internal organs.
http://www.king5.com/home/Amina-Bowman-undergoes-second-round-of-surgery-still-in-ICU--140363203.html
Bullshit.
He popped out of the womb at age 17 and just decided to pick up a gun to kill at random. 
A Totee!
OMGZ!!!
