Suspected home invader dead after being shot at by victim; 2 cohorts arrested in Pike County

[sarisataka]

Suspected home invader dead after being shot at by victim; 2 cohorts arrested in Pike County

Pike County investigators say three young men broke into a home to rob it early Thursday. Instead, one of them is now dead and the other two are behind bars.

Lt. Troy Johnson of the Pike County Sheriff's Office said they were called to a home in the 100 block of County Road 3016 at about 2:30 a.m. He said the 36-year-old resident told them he answered a knock on his door and three men forced their way inside.

The victim said one of them pulled a gun on him and told him to "give it up," Johnson said.

The victim said he grabbed the gun and got it away from the robber. He said he shot at them as they advanced on him. All three fled on foot after the shot was fired.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/05/suspected_home_invader_dead_af.html

[scscholar]

1. Sad to see them escalate the level of violence

They acted as cops, judges, and executioners.

[sarisataka]

2. It seems they acted

More like robbers and felons. Not that those automatically exclude cops,...

[Puha Ekapi]

3. Yeah, ok...

When someone enters your home forcefully and threatens you with deadly weapons, isn't the resident the one who's rights are being violated?

For the sake of ideological purity, it preferable that the victim be the one who dies in Gun Control Land, apparently.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

7. "It preferable that the victim be the one who dies in Gun Control Land"

According to a certain mentality, yes, it is preferable.

By resisting/refusing/fighting back victimhood, a pro-self defense person is shattering the concept of ideological purity that comes with being a victim.

How dare you fight back!!! I was so proud of myself for being a victim, so pure, so good. You had to fuck it all up by shooting the bad guy. Now I just look like a chump by letting people get over on me.

That's the gun-control/anti-self defense mindset in a nutshell.

[beergood]

4. are you being serious?

shooting someone who puts a gun in your face is not escalating the level of violence.

its self defense.

[scscholar]

6. BIg difference between having and using

They actually made the decision to use.

[Straw Man]

8. Yes.

BIg difference between having and using

They actually made the decision to use.

And you won't know if the robber intends to use it until he shoots you. Then it's too late.

I prefer not to entrust my safety to the good will of the person who is robbing me at gunpoint. He has indicated his intention to hurt or kill me if I don't comply. If I doubted his resolve, I would just say "Fuck you -- get out of my house." Instead, I will take him at his word and act accordingly.

[beardown]

10. You have to be more subtle than this.

Nice try to show how far many anti-gunners go to demonize guns, but when you go over the top like this everyone figures out that you are a pro-gunner just looking to make the other side look bad. Either tone it down or add a sarcasm icon.

On the slight chance that you are serious, three armed men break into a guy's house and your take is that the victim (the home owner, not the armed robber) did not show enough restraint when confronted with 3 intruders inside of his house within inches of him. Any hesitation would immediately tip the advantage back to the 3 versus 1. That the victim only shot one and did not pursue the men three blocks down the street spraying shots shows more than enough restraint for anyone who just had gone through literally a life and death, split second decision.

Can't wait to read your take on rape victims who wore too short of dresses.

[scscholar]

12. Big difference between a robber and a murderer

There were 8,277,829 property crimes in 2014 according to the FBI and 13,716 murders. That means that only 0.166% of property crimes result in murder. So when the chances are less than 1 out of 600 that there will be a murder, you don't have a problem with someone just deciding to ignore facts and decide to murder someone? They're ignoring the 599.

[oneshooter]

13. So you are willing to "play the odds"" with not only

your life, but your families as well.

[beevul]

21. I doubt that it ends there.

So you are willing to "play the odds"" with not only your life, but your families as well.

I doubt that it ends there. I'd be willing to bet that that poster would be more than happy to 'play the odds' with our lives as well.

[beevul]

14. The odds of being shot with a so called "assault weapon" are even lower.

So when the chances are less than 1 out of 600 that there will be a murder...

The odds of being shot with a so called "assault weapon" are even lower. That doesn't seem to have interfered with the desires of anti-gun folks to ban them.


I don't imagine that gives you any pause...

...the chances are less than 1 out of 600...

When its YOUR life on the line, the decision of how to act in the face of that 599 will be up to you. When its someone else, I trust their judgment far better than your armchair quarterbacking, and so would just about anyone else.

[Straw Man]

15. Way off.

here were 8,277,829 property crimes in 2014 according to the FBI and 13,716 murders. That means that only 0.166% of property crimes result in murder.

The relevant data set is not "property crimes," but "armed home invasions." Get back to us with the stats on that. Or better yet, don't, because statistics are irrelevant when someone has a gun in your face.

So when the chances are less than 1 out of 600 that there will be a murder, you don't have a problem with someone just deciding to ignore facts and decide to murder someone?

Deciding to "murder" someone? Please explain how the particulars of this case don't add up to legitimate self-defense. Be detailed and concrete, using the information from the article.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

16. Roll the dice with your own life

[sarisataka]

17. So if it turns out

That the victim happens to be numbers 600, is it okay if they defend themselves after they are murdered?

Do you consider all forms of self-defense that end with the attackers death to be murder?

[beardown]

22. Thanks for stating your case outright.

I think that it makes for better discussions and even better understanding that way.

You provided the property crimes and murders numbers as your metrics.

Metrics note. 13,716 sounds like all murders. I'd assume that only using murders that occur during property crimes would reduce the odds by half or more which would further your case.

Your statement "with someone just deciding to ignore facts and decide to murder someone" is only defensible if your decision is only based on a slightly flawed 1 out of 600 aggregate metric. You've basically stated the victim murdered the home intruder. Therefore, we need to use a more appropriate metric to evaluate the case for a murder.

Our only relevant metric now is the number of murders that occur in cases where three gun carrying home invaders are encountered inside of the house.

I'd say without question your 1 in 600 odds have shrunk down quite a bit. Victims in this situation are probably going to think that things are about 100 to 1 against them, but they don't understand the big picture statistics like you do. I'd also say that if two police officers just happened to have been in the victim's house that it's highly likely that they would not only have fired on on the intruders, but probably gotten commendations for it.

If the victim's statement that the intruders "...pulled a gun on him and told him to 'give it up,' " is true than your 1 in 600 is probably down into playing one number in roulette if not worse.

The only way you can stand by your murder charge in this case is if your core belief is that any potentially lethal self defense action during home invasions and I'd presume in most other defensive situations is murder. Or is it more like any lethal defensive gun use is murder?

[DashOneBravo]

20. You forgot the

Self righteous people who live in safe or not rural areas. Lol but I think it's the first.

[Travis_0004]

5. Meh

An armed robber brought a gun into a home invasion.

Nobody but the homeowner knows what actually happened. I dont have a problem with the homeowner defending himself, and Im glad he is uninjured.

[oneshooter]

11. The perps "escalated" the violence factor

when they forced their way inside.

[Lurks Often]

18. You;re support for armed criminals is duly noted

[The Green Manalishi]

9. Good riddance.

The only good robber, rapist or carjacker is one in the process of rapidly expiring from a gaping chest wound.

[DashOneBravo]

19. 3-1 and survived

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They all ran off despite the odds in their favor.

Hopefully the cowards will get charged for the murder of their buddy and never be able to terrorize anyone again.

Never trust your fate to a criminal.