Colorado Supreme Court ruling: Guns allowed on CU campuses

[hack89]

The Colorado Supreme Court today ruled that University of Colorado students and employees with concealed carry permits are able to carry their weapons on campus.

Colorado's highest court sided with Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, a gun-rights group that sued CU and argued that a 1994 university policy banning concealed weapons from its campuses violates state gun laws.

"It's a great victory for gun rights, and civil rights in general," said James Manley, the attorney with Mountain States Legal Foundation who represented the gun-rights group. "CU will now have to fall in line and follow the state law."

In his arguments, Manley pointed to the Concealed Carry Act of 2003, a state law that prohibits local governments from adopting an ordinance to limit state concealed-carry rights.

http://www.dailycamera.com/cu-news/ci_20104581

The backlash continues! On edit: Yup!

[jehop61]

1. Guns on Campus

Maybe the next time there's a shooting on a school campus, the media should just ignore it. After all, guns don't kill people, people kill people so why should it be news?

[hack89]

3. There have always been guns on campus

there is no law or sign in the world that will stop a criminal from bringing a gun on campus.

[gejohnston]

4. do you have a valid point?

since all of the school shootings that I am aware of happened on campuses where guns were not allowed, your point isn't really valid.

[SteveW]

7. Or perhaps they will ask Jodie Foster her opinion on guns...

"Isn’t it possible that we all have that bit of insanity in us?

“That’s why I’m for gun control. Absolutely… I don’t believe that people should have access to life-or-death situations at any emotional time in their life.

“I don’t really believe that a human being who feels [things] should have the option at their fingertips.”

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2007/08/16/jodie-fosters-rare-interview-dodges-sexuality-questions/

Unless, of course, she 'feels things"...

"Foster had to be escorted around campus by armed bodyguards."

http://www.pics-celeb.com/2009/12/jodie-foster.html

It should always be remembered: Gun control is an elitist outlook, by and for elites, which allows the powerful to arm, or pay for bodyguards, but doesn't allow for the 99% to arm (if the elite had their way). There are many, many more examples of this.

[shadowrider]

2. You forgot "Yup" after "The backlash continues"

Just pointing that out.

This is excellent news.

[hack89]

5. Edit made. nt

[shadowrider]

6. Must most gooder..:)

[Common Sense Party]

8. How many people have died so far?

The blood is flowing in the halls...

[msongs]

9. every 3rd grader has a right to carry guns at school, no age limits in 2ndAmendment nt

[shadowrider]

11. Oh jeez

Dumb comment, but you did make me laugh.

[gejohnston]

12. since no one is proposing that

and it is a federal crime (with a few narrow exceptions) for a minor to possess a handgun, do you have a valid point?
You have to be 21 to apply for a CCW in most states, and how many 3rd graders attend university?
Do you have a valid point to make?

[Simo 1939_1940]

16. Thanks. One more to add to the list

of your brilliant one-liners!

[rl6214]

41. Only anti-gun zealots make idiotic statements like that.

[aikoaiko]

43. Do you think this court decision came about because of fear a black US president?

I ask because in the past you've thought that other pro-rkba laws, events, or positions were due to fear of a black president?


for example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=492075&mesg_id=492092

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=213954&mesg_id=213977

[samsingh]

10. hopefully foreign students will take their money to campuses with more sanity

[gejohnston]

13. I don't know,

I knew a guy that was an exchange student to Israel. His big culture shock was when his math teacher walked in with a full auto Uzi on his shoulder.
Have any evidence that it has been a problem at any campus that allows it?

[samsingh]

18. wasn't there a shooting at a University last week?

[gejohnston]

21. I only know of

the high school, which violated current federal gun control laws (minor in possession), who stole the pistol (violating state law) took it on school grounds (another state law) before he committed the murders.
Oh yeah, he was under 21, so he did not have a CCW, so he was carrying concealed without permit as well.

[DonP]

14. What do Virginia Tech, NIU and other campuses where shootings have occured share?

That's right.

They are all "Gun Free Zones" where no one is allowed to carry on campus, even if the state said they were safe.

So ... why would any student, foreign or otherwise, with an ounce of brains, feel any safer on a Gun Free campus, since based on empirical evidence that seems to be where the shootings are more likely to occur?

[samsingh]

19. well facts don't deter gun lovers

[gejohnston]

22. what facts are those?

please expand?

[samsingh]

27. more guns kill more people

[shadowrider]

30. You've provided me with my daily chuckle

Thanks

[Atypical Liberal]

34. This is not true.

>more guns kill more people

But this just isn't true.

We are now at the lowest point of crime in decades, following a decades-long decline in violent crime.

Yet we have record numbers of firearms in circulation.

[DonP]

36. Now you're just being cruel

Shame on you for using supportable facts to make a point.

You're upsetting his well defined world view that more guns always cause more violence. They just HAVE TO kill more people! Everybody knows that. Dennis Henigan, Carolyn McCarthy and Sarah Brady told him so.

We could always give him the web sites for the FBI UCR or the CDC numbers and a few articles on the rising number of NICS checks being run every month, but they'd just ignore facts in favor of more pearl clutching, gasps of disbelief and accusations of being shills for the NRA.

[samsingh]

40. yes you are being cruel

i'll begin to collect status so i'll be prepared for a future discussion

[DonP]

42. Do that

Learn something about the issue based on supportable facts, then come back and we can all talk.

And to save you possible future grief, disappointment, serious sarcastic laughter and finger pointing, we tend to ignore "statistics", "reports" and editorials from the NRA, NRA-ILA, the Brady Gun Control people, Vilence Policy Center etc. their patron the Joyce Foundation and their various affiliates and meat puppets with an agenda.

That's why we tend to look at things like the FBI UCR and CDC numbers with more credibility since they generally don't have an agenda one way or the other.

Oh and try not to do what one less than bright gun control fan did and quote Michael Bellisles and his disgraced book "Arming America", unless you want 20 minutes of sustained laughter to follow the post.

It's also OK to just ask a question. There is a lot of accumulated experience and access to information here for anyone that wants to actually learn something about the issue and not just reinforce their existing prejudice.

Good luck.

[PavePusher]

39. Please, cite the stats you are basing your claim on. n/t

[DonP]

24. OK, that makes abso-fucking-lutely no sense whatsoever?

Since the point was that all the high profile shootings have taken place on "Gun Free" campuses.

And in a strange twist of fate, none of the campuses that already allow CCW on campus (there are many) by the law abiding have seen no such violence.

So what was your point anyway?

[PavePusher]

15. Are you implying there will be increased levels of violence from permit holders?

On what evidence do you base your assumption?

[samsingh]

17. yes - on what evidence do you say that there won't be?

[gejohnston]

20. besides history?

The historical record is clear. It is on our side. The only reason there is no record from Vermont is because, they always had permit-less CCW even when Arizona did not. Other than that, you can't prove a negative. Since you are the one wanting a restriction, it is up to you to show the compelling state interest. That is how liberal democracy works.

[PavePusher]

23. Rapidly increasing/liberalised carry laws and permitting, coinciding with decreasing homocide rates.

Empirical evidence.

I ask again, on what do you base your assumption/accusation?

[samsingh]

28. it's amazing how gun supporters are completely willing to ignore the deaths caused by guns

and use shaky statistics to justify this lack of empathy.

[gejohnston]

33. so you are calling

the FBI Uniform Crime Report shaky statistics? It amazing to me how gun control advocates completely ignore deaths, including murder, by other means to justify their intellectually bankrupt ideology.

[DonP]

37. FBI = Shaky statistics? I must have missed your "solid" statistics?

I noticed you haven't supported any of your false assumptions and whining with any kind of numbers.

Record high firearm sales for 3 years and the lowest violent crime rate in 40 years must really piss people like you off. It just doesn't fit your world view does it?

I guess we can assume you have nothing but your "feelings" to support your contention, right?

If it's all the same to you, I think I'll accept the DoJ and FBI numbers over your "feelings" on the issue.

[Atypical Liberal]

38. I honestly think you are misinformed on this subject.

it's amazing how gun supporters are completely willing to ignore the deaths caused by guns and use shaky statistics to justify this lack of empathy.

I'm assuming you are new here. You really are misinformed on this subject.

The FBI tracks crimes. These are called the FBI Uniform Crime Reports. They are available online.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr

All crime, including violent crime, has been on the decline in the United States for decades. It peaked in the 1990s. We are now at the lowest levels since the 1970s.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Violent_Crime_Rates_in_the_United_States.svg

But in this same amount of time, particularly since 2008, the number of firearms in circulation is increasing.

There are some 200,000,000 firearms in the USA, owned by some 80,000,000 firearm owners.

Even if every single violent crime were committed by a firearm owner, this would mean that over 95% of firearm owners aren't involved in violent crime every year - there simply aren't enough violent crimes to go around.

It's also worth noting that most people who commit homicide have extensive prior criminal records - records that would exclude them from legally owning a firearm anyway.

[PavePusher]

25. Yeah, still waiting.... n/t

[shadowrider]

32. You're going to wait a long time dude

[oneshooter]

26. There are over 70 schools that allow Concealed carry. How many can you find that have

had a shooting of any type, much less a "mass shooting"?


We'll wait, suppers ready.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[samsingh]

29. isn't it funny that you need to point out that you are 'armed and livin in Texas'

it would be like saying

'University Graduate' in my tag line

[shadowrider]

31. Typical

Answer a question with a question without ever responding to the question posed.

You made the statement, please provide links which prove your assertion, unless, of course, it's only your opinion.

[Atypical Liberal]

35. Evidence that there won't be.

yes - on what evidence do you say that there won't be?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=374332

The above link shows the rate of conviction of CCW permit holders in Texas for all crimes, covering everything from Public Lewdness to Homicide.

Not all states publish this kind of data, but the ones that do show a similar trend:

When you look at the rate of conviction for CCW permit holders compared to everyone else you might encounter while walking down the street, CCW permit holders are many times, sometimes hundreds of times less likely to be involved in any kind of crime, let alone firearm-related crime.

Moreover, there are already many states and college campuses where concealed carry of firearms has been allowed for years without incident.

Moreover, all of the major school shooting in recent years, including the one at my own school in the building where I have class, happened at schools where firearms are not allowed, either by law or by school policy.