“National Right to Carry Reciprocity Act of 2012” introduced in U.S. Senate by Democrats

[GreenStormCloud]

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/federal-legislation/2012/national-right-to-carry-reciprocity-act-of-2012-introduced-in-us-senate.aspx

Today, March 13, U.S. Senators Mark Begich (D-Alaska) and Joe Manchin (D-W.V.) introduced S. 2188, the “National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2012.” The bill is the Senate companion to H. R. 822, which was approved by the U. S. House last November by a vote of 272-154.

S. 2188, like H.R. 822, would allow any person with a valid state-issued concealed firearm permit to carry a concealed handgun in any other state that issues concealed firearm permits, or that does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms for lawful purposes. A state's laws governing where concealed handguns may be carried would apply within its borders.

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It is great to see two courageous Democratic Senators introduce this bill into the U.S. Senate. I am sure that we will all be watching it closely.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

1. BILL DOES NOT ADDRESS DIFERENCES IN CONCEALED WEAPONS LAWS BETWEEN STATES

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[gejohnston]

2. what differences are those?

All have background checks. Training does vary.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

5. As does

....where you can carry a concealed weapon, how long you have to be a resident and a host of other things.

[GreenStormCloud]

7. State and city laws on where/when you can carry won't be changed.

It will only mean that I will be able to carry in 49 states but must obey the local laws, except that I won't need to get a local pistol permit.

Out-of-state permits will be honored, so a resident of NY who gets a permit from a different state can then carry in the 49 states including his own state of NY.

[Remmah2]

69. Seems the proposed law minimizes infringements.

"shall not be infringed". As the constitution states.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

72. Nonsense

You need a law to not be 'infringed'. LOL.

[Remmah2]

75. Laws can be passed to supersede or repeal bad laws.

Just have to throw enough lawyers at the problem.

[GreenStormCloud]

3. Is that a problem?

In all states that have CCW, whether may-issue or shall-issue those who have the permits have shown themselves to be extremely responsible with their guns.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

6. Doesn't Address the Question I Raised

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[GreenStormCloud]

10. You raised a question?

You made a statement and I said that I don't see any problem.

[iverglas]

27. lordy lordy lordy

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/question

ques·tion
n.
... 2. A subject or point open to controversy; an issue.


Try not to try so hard ...

[TheWraith]

45. Um, no. You're using that word wrong.

Definition 2 is a completely different usage, i.e. "the Karelian question," as a reference to a pre-existing debate. Making a statement with no further elaboration does not make it a "question" in either definition.

[oneshooter]

9. It is up to the traveler to know the CHL laws of the states he/she go through.

Does that answer your screaming question?

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[inkool]

12. YES IT DOES!!!!!!!

From the OP "A state's laws governing where concealed handguns may be carried would apply within its borders. "

[fightthegoodfightnow]

20. Nah

...it doesn't. It doesn't address who qualifies.

[inkool]

23. Ahh

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I did not realize that is what you meant by your statement.

I don't see this as a big deal. The same could be said about driver or marriage licenses.

[oneshooter]

26. Each state qualifies their own citizens. Just like a drivers license.

And like said license the rules of the road vary with each state. The bearer of said license is responsable for knowing the laws in each state he/she travels in. IT is up to each state to qualify it's citizens.

Oh, by the way, DC DOES have a concealed carry permit system, as does Hawaii!!!

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[krispos42]

25. Nope

And if there weren't a bunch of states that refused to reciprocate, this wouldn't be an issue.

[X_Digger]

28. Why should it?

Since each person has to abide by the laws of the state they're in, just like driver's licenses-

[PavePusher]

31. Post does not address Second, Ninth,Tenth or Fourteenth Amendments.

[Glassunion]

71. That would be Bill's problem.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

4. Make No Law

I'm curious your position on the provision of the US Constitution that says 'Congress shall make no law'......regarding the right to keep arms.

This bill uses court rulings that base Congress' right to regulate based on the Commerce Clause.

Do you agree? Do you recognize the right to regulate?

[GreenStormCloud]

8. That isn't what it says. You FAIL.

it says, "...shall not be infringed."

[fightthegoodfightnow]

18. Ok

I am wrong.

[ingac70]

11. "Congress shall make no law"....

is not part of the 2nd Amendment.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

17. OK

I am wrong.

[inkool]

13. What version of the Constitution are you reading? n/t

[fightthegoodfightnow]

16. Ok

I'm wrong.

[southernyankeebelle]

14. I know if I lived in a state that does not allow guns I sure would be pissed that someone would come

to my state and carry his/her gun. I respect the right to carry in the states that approve you to carry guns and between states that say its ok because they have their own gun laws. But if I live in a state that doesn't have guns then I want you to come to my state and leave your gun home. If you can't than stay the hell home. Sorry I hate guns. I live in a state that allows guns everywhere and I sure don't feel safe. But I don't want to tell them they can't have their guns so I stay home and enjoy my peace and quiet. I know alot of you will disagree with me. That is fine I do not want to change your minds. I am not here for that. On the other hand I HATE GUNS. I will never like guns no matter what anyone says. Keep your rights that is fine. But if friends come to our house they know keep their guns home. There is no need for guns in my home.

[Clames]

15. That's only one state...

...and well, just a matter of time for them (CCW anyways). There is no such thing as living "in a state that doesn't have guns" is this country either. Nothing in this bill changes how you can keep guns out of your household either.

[kurtzapril4]

65. Thank Jah.

And I will fight fight fight to keep it that way.

[DonP]

66. If you are talking about Illinois, there are a lot more of us fighting to get CCW

In fact we had between 8,000 and 9,000 in Springfield last week and we already have a simple majority ready to vote it in.

All we need is 3 more votes to get the super majority to override both Quinn's threatened veto and local preemption. The reports are we have 2 of the 3 already committed to changing their vote.

[eqfan592]

73. And you'll lose.

And for good reason, because you are fighting the wrong fight, even if you don't realize it.

[gejohnston]

19. one one state does not

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and each state varies on which states they honor. Personally, why should Wyoming have to let Don Imus or Donald Trump(NY permits are not valid in Wyoming, neither are Kansas, California among others) think they can panic and start shooting some moose minding their own business?
If you live in Vermont, you are safer than most states.
If you live in El Paso, you are safer than many Canadian cities.

[southernyankeebelle]

22. Point taken. I still hate guns.

[shadowrider]

39. Hating guns is your right and I respect that.

No one, either in a shall issue, may issue or whatever state should be forced to allow guns in their home if they don't want them. That is something I respect and don't cross that line.

By the way, I do appreciate, even though you hate guns (I gather), you're NOT pushing for the argument that because you don't like them, no one else should have them (as many other posters here do).

Have a great day..

[southernyankeebelle]

40. Thank you. I don't have that right to take your guns away either. I don't want to take your rights

away. The only thing I think it should be done is a background test. You as a responsible gun owner surely don't want some crazy persn handling guns. That is my only concern. Oh by the way I do have protection. I have a knife in its case. I keep it under my pillow. It's big.

[TheWraith]

46. May I suggest that you choose something else?

Realistically speaking, a knife is a bad weapon for self defense. Not only is there the strong likelihood of hurting yourself with it--even experienced knife fighters often suffer cuts from their own knives--but it requires you to close to basically grappling distance with your attacker in order to hit them. If you refuse to have a gun, you're better off with pepper spray or a baseball bat than a knife.

[southernyankeebelle]

51. Ya'll are giving me some good advice. I kinda like that bat idea. Maybe I'll get one and put the

knife in a safe place. Thanks for the advice from everyone.

[yamihere]

67. Drop Tazer

You might also want to look in to a drop tazer. They are a little expensive, but are much more effective than pepper spray or a regular stun gun. Not sure about you local laws, but it is an option and safer than a knife.

[southernyankeebelle]

68. Thanks for the advice. I'll look into it.

[jeepnstein]

49. Bad choice.

A knife is not a weapon for someone who isn't REALLY into fighting. Doesn't matter how big the knife is. You might as well be completely unarmed.

Now if you've been trained to fight with a knife then that's an entirely different matter. There's a reason why the gun replace the knife many years ago as the personal weapon of choice.

[southernyankeebelle]

50. Your probably right. No I have no experience except cutting a turkey with it. LOL Really

I am not into blood and guts. I just pray that they will not come in to my house. Besides that I got 3 dogs.

[jeepnstein]

53. Dogs are good, if they are so inclined to take care of their own.

I once had a hit out on me over a case I had been involved in. It was serious enough for the Sheriff to sit me down and demand I carry 24/7 until we got it all resolved. I had to sleep in an interior room of the house, wearing shoes, a gun, and kept a vest nearby. It was pure misery. The only good thing I had in my favor was my German Shepherd, Hondo, who knew something was wrong and never let me out of his sight. For a few weeks it wasn't so much "if" they were coming but "when". Eventually the whole thing got straightened out. You sure find out who your friends are at times like that.

Do yourself a favor and just put the knife away. Have you ever seen the mess someone can make with one of those things? A Tazer or some spray foam would be a better choice if you need something. I prefer foam myself. Be careful though because it'll set the dogs' noses on fire. There are lots of safe and sane options for someone not wanting to deal with having a firearm on hand.

[southernyankeebelle]

55. Wow you must of been really scared. I know I would have been. A german shepherd is a great dog to

have. I sure wouldn't mess with ya. When I was a child we lived in the Phillipines living on the air base at the time. They had german shepherd dogs that worked with the military police. Anyway they had this one dog that must of been to mean. My dad decided to bring it home. I remember him walking the dog on the other side of the street with a heavy duty chain around his neck. We named him Sparky. That dog was so smart and turned out to be a great protector. We sure loved that dog. But when we came back to the states we couldn't bring him with us. We gave them to a couple. My 3 dogs are more bark then they are bite. They are little but boy do they bark when something is outside in the dark. I live in the rural area. There is nothing but nursery country around us. So it is pretty quiet. I like the bat option and even the pepper spray option. I have already put the knife away. To be honest I don't think I could ever use it. Growing up in a military family and having a husband who retired from the military you would think I would be use to guns. But I'm not. Listening to my mother's experience during WWII and seeing my father's wounds he got during WWII and having a brother-in-law (who was an experienced hunter) shot by putting his rifle away and died. So I just can't take them.

[gejohnston]

56. When were you at Clark?

I have been to Clark a couple of times in the 1980s.

[southernyankeebelle]

58. Long before that. My dad was stationed there back in l955 (or around there).

I remember like it was it was yesterday. Honestly I do. I started lst grade there. I remember my dad taking me and my twin sister to school the first day and he took us to class and said I'll be right back. When he didn't come right back I started crying. I went to the principles office the first day. Awe, I can laugh about it now. We had a nice home on the base at the time. We had a married couple living with us. The husband was a bus driver and she was our house maid. Back then you could get cheap labor. We sure like that couple. Gosh I remember how hot it was. It was call Clark Air Force Base back then. I also remember when my dad play santa claus for the orphans that their unit sponsored. He came in by helicopter. It was so much fun. I remember alot of things.

I guess it has changed alot. I thought they closed the base down.

[gejohnston]

59. It closed in 1992, IIRC

after Mount Pinatubo blew. President Aquino made closing the bases a campaign promise, so I figured it was going to happen anyway.

Today Clark is part international airport and RP-AF base
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diosdado_Macapagal_International_Airport

the RP-AF units there are the Air Logistics Command headquarters and the 710th Special Operations Wing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Air_Force
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/710th_Special_Operations_Wing

[southernyankeebelle]

60. Well I sure enjoyed my time there with my family. Did you like it? I love the people.

[gejohnston]

61. I liked it.

[southernyankeebelle]

63. I'm glad.

[oneshooter]

21. I wish people would read the bill before commenting on it.n/t

[X_Digger]

24. Where'd be the fun in that?!? n/t

[PavePusher]

32. Of course your entire post is completely non-factual.

But you probably knew that...

[ileus]

29. Joe keeps this up he could be president one day.

I voted for Joe a time or two when I lived in WV. He's a working mans senator.

[JDPriestly]

30. Local police need to decide to whom to issue gun permits in densely populated urban areas.

[gejohnston]

35. you mean like

NYC who only gives them to millionaires?
LA County that only gives them out to campaign contributors and maybe a few millionaires?

Local police should decide nothing. Giving police or anyone else arbitrary discretion over any civil libery has no place in a liberal democracy. The only choices should be shall issue or no issue.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

36. What about Kern County in California?

Where it is almost shall issue.

[ileus]

41. To save tax dollars this job should be farmed out to local chapters of HCI

[pipoman]

42. Local police need to decide

to whom to issue protest permits in densely populated urban areas, huh? Only on this issue do we see self proclaimed liberals and progressives going off the deep end with police trust and wishes for even more empowerment and control over the distribution of civil liberties. Do you want the Joint Chiefs to be the deciders of military involvement too?

[Logical]

34. I think there needs to be a minimal training requirement!

[ProgressiveProfessor]

37. How about national standards with a "shall issue" requirement after passing?

[Logical]

38. 100% agree with that!

[Atypical Liberal]

43. Woohoo! Great to see some Democrats actively supporting the second amendment nationally!

I love it. I would love to see the Democratic party co-opt the entire 2A issue.

It would leave the Republicans as the party of war and religious nuts.

[shadowrider]

44. Ain't you learned yet?

Those aren't Democrats. They're right-wing, tea party members who are obviously under the influence of the NRA/Military complex who got elected by pretending to be Democrats.

Sheesh. That's what we're told almost daily and this is the innerwebs so it must be true.

[oneshooter]

48. Don't forget that the site is not left wing enough to be telling the truth!

If it's not in HuffPo it never happened!

[ElectricMunk]

47. Absolutely! (NNTO)

[era veteran]

52. If we followed the Constitution it woud not be a problem.

What part of N O L A W S is hard to understand.

[DWC]

54. These Senators are my kind of people!! n/t

[Simo 1939_1940]

57. Great news.

Thanks for posting. An friend of a very good friend of mine (Republican, born in Alaska) must be in vapors -- or will if/when he hears about this.

I am sure that we will all be watching it closely.

This liberal gun owner will!

[shadowrider]

64. Anyone pro 2A, left or right, should be thrilled by this.

[Dr_Scholl]

62. This has enough votes to pass.

But with it being an election year, who knows what could happen.

[Glassunion]

70. Great... More racist/GOP/NRA goons trying to turn us into Afganistan.

Wild west shootouts over parking spaces.
Children carrying guns to school.
Blood in the streets, parks, pre-schools, churches, on airplanes, etc!!!!

[eqfan592]

74. If we ever find ourselves facing....

....dinosaurs armed with dynamite and uzis riding on the backs of sharks....I'm moving to a new planet.