Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumNEW YORK: Gun Control Measures Disappearing
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2012/03/gun-control-measures-disappearing-in-new-york.aspxThe New York state budget was signed today by Governor Andrew Cuomo, and it eliminated CoBIS, the costly state ballistic identification database that wasted millions of taxpayer dollars while failing to solve a single crime. The final budget bill also struck a microstamping provision that had been included in an earlier Assembly version of the state budget.
After the state Assembly passed microstamping earlier this session, the Senate Codes Committee moved S675C, by state Senator Jose Peralta (D-13), to the Senate Rules Committee, making it unlikely a hearing would be held on it this session. Undaunted, anti-gun Assemblymen inserted a budget provision that included microstamping in the Assembly budget, but thankfully this backdoor attempt failed.
Microstamping, like CoBIS, would be costly and ineffective. In addition, this unproven technology is easily circumvented by criminals. Enacting microstamping would also hurt local New York economies, as large manufacturing employers would be forced out of the state. Today, New York gun owners can be pleased that one gun control provision has been repealed and another has stalled for now.
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Two more pro-gun victories, in NY of all places. That backlash is getting intense.
Yes, I have added those to my list and will post the list at the end of the year.
Please notice that state Senator Peralta is a D, as is Governor Cuomo.
Clames
(2,038 posts)...will stick around in New York for a little while yet.
Dr_Scholl
(212 posts)Gun ownership is in terminal decline, and gun owners are a dying demographic. (sarcasm)
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts).....the commerce of guns....wouldn't 't want to stop that now would we....
The claim they would be forced out of state is nonsense....and even assuming it is, more guns, would be manufactured, creating jobs out of state....impact neutral.
Anytime the state spends money on something it's creating jobs, including microstamping. And the legislation would create jobs by mandating only micro stamp guns could be sold....new products...new jobs.
But heh.....glad you can proudly point to another Dem who thinks like you.
Clames
(2,038 posts)...type of commerce to stop. Also, the claim that they would be forced out of the state is nonsense because no such claim was made. They would leave under their own volition, which was what was actually stated.
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)Original poster wrote....'Enacting microstamping would also hurt local New York economies, as large manufacturing employers would be forced out of the state.'
You wrote.....'the claim that they would be forced out of the state is nonsense because no such claim was made. They would leave under their own volition, which was what was actually stated.'
No...the word FORCE was used.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)And the legislation would create jobs by mandating only micro stamp guns could be sold....new products...new jobs.
I'll bet we can think of thousands of wastes of time to create jobs. How about we move highways 2 ft. north, then when that's all done we can move them back. Imagine all the jobs we could create.
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)Point is they would not.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)your disappointment with the content of the OP...You did support the microstamping scheme, no?
The casing system currently in place was a money pit embarrassment..over 14 million spent for 2 system "hits"..it would be stupid to suggest that another, entirely new, far more costly system based on the same nonsense theory is a good idea.
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)....what that cost effective system would be....
pipoman
(16,038 posts)I don't think there is a cost effective system.
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)....so do nothing.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)and you think we should throw good money after bad. I'd rather do nothing than spend another 20 million on plan, proven by trial to be destined to failure.
edit..further I'm guessing most NYers would agree that microstamping is a waste of their money..
hack89
(39,171 posts)may be "doing something" but it still makes no sense.
Why not invest in gun safety education or subsidized gun safes - things we know will work and save lives.
shadowrider
(4,941 posts)fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)Effect...none.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)It can significantly impact the location the company moved from. Towns aren't just lego blocks that can be unplugged and moved from one area to another. Neither are families. Moving to follow a job is hugely disruptive.
Companies don't always survive the move either.
Local gun shop was forced to move by imminent domain, to add a traffic roundabout. It took them 5 years to finally get a new location and re-open. That's a lot of wages lost.
But yeah, effect... none. On paper, in a textbook that doesn't map to reality.
Remmah2
(3,291 posts)Companies also relocate to reduce taxes.
It may help the 1% but rarely benefits the 99%.
Tell the people who lose their jobs it has no effect on them.