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ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 07:18 PM Apr 2012

Do you agree with this statement from President Obama on gun control?

I know that every time we try to talk about guns, it can reinforce stark divides. People shout at one another, which makes it impossible to listen. We mire ourselves in stalemate, which makes it impossible to get to where we need to go as a country.

However, I believe that if common sense prevails, we can get beyond wedge issues and stale political debates to find a sensible, intelligent way to make the United States of America a safer, stronger place.

I'm willing to bet that responsible, law-abiding gun owners agree that we should be able to keep an irresponsible, law-breaking few - dangerous criminals and fugitives, for example - from getting their hands on a gun in the first place.

I'm willing to bet they don't think that using a gun and using common sense are incompatible ideas - that we should check someone's criminal record before he can check out at a gun seller; that an unbalanced man shouldn't be able to buy a gun so easily; that there's room for us to have reasonable laws that uphold liberty, ensure citizen safety and are fully compatible with a robust Second Amendment.

Read more: http://azstarnet.com/news/opinion/mailbag/president-obama-we-must-seek-agreement-on-gun-reforms/article_011e7118-8951-5206-a878-39bfbc9dc89d.html#ixzz1t0Ei0IA8

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Do you agree with this statement from President Obama on gun control? (Original Post) ellisonz Apr 2012 OP
As written, it's spot-on Glaug-Eldare Apr 2012 #1
I am not against reasonable laws that uphold liberty OriginalGeek Apr 2012 #2
You left out an important part.. Upton Apr 2012 #3
I wasn't asking about that. ellisonz Apr 2012 #4
Obama's history is anti gun.. Upton Apr 2012 #5
It's all part of one big Republican agenda IMHO. n/t ellisonz Apr 2012 #6
I agree... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #7
I agree but how MintyFresh Apr 2012 #8
I agree, however the following is a meaningless phrase: Simo 1939_1940 Apr 2012 #9
I voted "agree" because I didn't see new laws proposed JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2012 #10
I agree but... Taitertots Apr 2012 #11
Agreed and Rec'ced slackmaster Apr 2012 #12
what about the watch list? ileus Apr 2012 #13
what about which watch list? JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2012 #14

Glaug-Eldare

(1,089 posts)
1. As written, it's spot-on
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 07:27 PM
Apr 2012

While I oppose most regulation on guns, there's absolutely a need for some. The 2A is still being explored in the courts to find the limits of its protections, but there are certainly restrictions that can be handled correctly.

As distasteful as I find the Brady Campaign, the NICS system is a very good idea and has created a significant (not absolute, but significant) barrier to criminals acquiring guns, while creating the smallest possible burden on citizens. State agencies must be diligent in reporting relevant information, and this can certainly be improved.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
2. I am not against reasonable laws that uphold liberty
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 07:28 PM
Apr 2012

I suppose I would need to see the actual law in question to decide if it is reasonable to me and upholds my liberty.

Upton

(9,709 posts)
3. You left out an important part..
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 07:36 PM
Apr 2012
"Now, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. And the courts have settled that as the law of the land."

No collective crap from the president...what a bummer for the militia believing antis..


ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
4. I wasn't asking about that.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 07:41 PM
Apr 2012

I know it's there and I know it's political. So what's your point in pushing the "what a bummer for the militia believing antis" line? What is an "anti" in your mind? Is President Obama an "anti"

Upton

(9,709 posts)
5. Obama's history is anti gun..
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 07:58 PM
Apr 2012

but he's also a politician...he and his people know gun control, at least on the national level, is a loser, so he's altered his 2nd Amendment stance accordingly..that's good enough for me.

Now, if you want to bring up Obama and MMJ...well, I've got a real beef with him on that..

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
7. I agree...
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 08:18 PM
Apr 2012

...with everything except:

I'm willing to bet that responsible, law-abiding gun owners agree that we should be able to keep an irresponsible, law-breaking few - dangerous criminals and fugitives, for example - from getting their hands on a gun in the first place.


I don't see how this can be accomplished 100% of the time but there is definitely room for improvements.
 

MintyFresh

(29 posts)
8. I agree but how
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 08:28 PM
Apr 2012

do they determine if the person is unstable or not. Also some people have their judgment impaired by various things & what if they decide to shoot someone ?

On another note ( I know this is off topic & I apologize ) I need to apologize to Ruby the Liberal & independent piney because I posted a thread & gave a link that I wasn't supposed to. I didn't do it intentionally, I just didn't know it was not accepted.
I am new here (just joined a few weeks ago) & there's a lot I'm still learning ) I tried to respond to your posts but the thread was locked & I can't send pm's because I haven't posted enough messages. I will make sure it doesn't happen again.

Simo 1939_1940

(768 posts)
9. I agree, however the following is a meaningless phrase:
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 08:40 PM
Apr 2012

"However, I believe that if common sense prevails.........."

First of all - whose definition of "common sense"? "Common sense" has told many that more guns obviously means more gun crime. We know this isn't true. Many aspects of gun violence/gun restriction are counterintuitive - ergo "common sense" can be not just useless, but life threatening.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,367 posts)
10. I voted "agree" because I didn't see new laws proposed
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 08:31 AM
Apr 2012

Enforcing existing law should be good enough.

I disagree with a couple of minor points:

Failing to qualify for Army enlistment should not disqualify anyone. There are many reasons for being turned down.

Rewarding states for providing more info might be ok, if talking about criminal records. Sharing medical or psychological treatment info probably violates HIPAA restrictions and should not be rewarded. No problem with sharing data if a court finds someone incompetent or worse.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
11. I agree but...
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 08:45 AM
Apr 2012

We ALREADY have to get FBI background checks to buy guns. Felons are ALREADY banned having guns. The mentally unfit are ALREADY banned from having guns.

What exactly are Obama's policy recommendations?

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
12. Agreed and Rec'ced
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 09:20 AM
Apr 2012

The law should be modified so there is a way for someone who is not a gun dealer to use the National Instant Check System. Appropriate safeguards would be needed to prevent misuse.

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