Government can use buying power to force gun changes

[SecularMotion]

It happened again, for the second time in just over two weeks — the horror of a gun-wielding maniac wreaking havoc and death. The attack in Oak Creek, Wis., was motivated by a right-wing racist agenda, one that blames "others" for the problems of the sick individual who pulled the trigger.

Yes, people pull the trigger — but guns are the instrument of death.

Gun control is necessary, and delay means more death and horror.

So, what have we heard from the presidential contenders? Pablum. Mitt Romney hides behind a misunderstanding of the Second Amendment, and the White House blames Congress. Here's what White House press secretary Jay Carney said on Monday: "President Obama does support renewing the assault weapons ban. I think what I've noted in the past, and what I noted here, is that there has been reluctance by Congress to pass that renewal."

http://www.kentucky.com/2012/08/09/2291729/government-can-use-buying-power.html#storylink=cpy

[rl6214]

1. Yay, it's google dump time...

Must be scraping the bottom of the barrel though if you've got to dredge up an article from August 9.

So now you are posting a link to an article that says:

""President Obama does support renewing the assault weapons ban. I think what I've noted in the past"

I fully agree with you though that this is the wrong step for the President to take, especially after he has said that he supports our 2A right to gun ownership.

[ileus]

2. Gopvernment milk is important to some companies.

They could set up mirror companies to sell LEO and Government use only firearms, while still providing American civilians with the fine quality named firearms we've come to know and trust.

[Clames]

7. Colt does exactly that.

Their DoD arm is separate from their civilian side. Even down to the tooling and machine work.

[Remmah2]

3. Author: Eliot Spitzer

He broke federal law and solicited call girls.

One of our elite politicians. The kind with two sets of rules. Also a NYC gun permit holder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer_prostitution_scandal

[rDigital]

4. What's good for the goose is....good for the other goose! nt

[Jenoch]

5. Do you agree or do you disagree with

Eliot Spitzer's ideas to control the supply of semi-automatic handguns through the marketplace?

[pipoman]

20. He hasn't even mastered simple economic math,

it's hard to take him seriously.

There are as of 2006, 683,396 full time state, city, university and college, metropolitan and non-metropolitan county, and other law enforcement officers in the United States. There are approx. 120,000 full time law enforcement personnel working for the federal government adding up to a total number of 800,000 law enforcement personnel in the U.S.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_police_officers_are_employed_in_the_United_states

Then there's this..

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports

In 2010 alone there were over 14,000,000 NICS gun transfers.

Two minutes of googling results in total destruction of his idea. The public buys far, far more guns than government, and government is a huge pain in the ass to deal with.

His idea is stupid at the core. The only result would be law enforcement would have a hard time buying guns.

[aikoaiko]

6. Ashley, how many times has Spitzer written about this?

Two times, baby.
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_best_policy/2009/04/gun_control_without_gun_laws.html

[ProgressiveProfessor]

8. A simple solution from a simpleton

He needs to reexamine the economics and try again.

[ManiacJoe]

9. It might work on a large enough scale.

However, California tried it with the result that some gun manufacturers stopped selling to the cops since the CA civilian market was prohibited. Pissed the hell out of the cops.

Anyone recall who has the current DOD M4 contract? I am pretty sure it is not Colt.

[ileus]

12. FN?

[ManiacJoe]

13. That is what I am currently remembering.

[Kezzy604]

23. Remington has it.

And Colt is fighting with the gov't about it.

[Clames]

10. Truly clueless.

The Defense Department and the city of New York are among the largest purchasers of guns. If the president and the mayor truly believe that semi-automatic weapons should not be available to private purchasers, and that magazines with more than 10 bullets should not be sold over the counter, they should simply say that, from now on, the federal government and the city of New York, as a matter of public safety, will not buy any weapons or ammunition from companies that do not agree to pull semi-automatics from their stock and refuse to produce magazines with more than 10 rounds other than for sale to the government.

And the small arms manufacturers like Colt, F.N. Herstal, Glock, LWRC, Remington and a half dozen others could justifiably jack up their prices to make up for the loss of business. I guess the author and the OP don't have a clue about facts like the DOD really doesn't buy as many guns as they think they do (Colt's 22,000 1911's to the USMC represents only 2% of the volume sales for a given year), and the DoD and LE agencies rely on contracts for service and repair of the arms they purchase. Those agencies rely on civilian sales to help buffer the bulk sales agreements (DoD only pays $650 for a M4 carbine) and local police agencies sure as hell can't afford to pay hundreds of thousands in extra costs. Stupidity. Pure. Absolute. Stupidity.

[4th law of robotics]

11. He's proposing the government stop buying from companies that produce semi-autos

what does he think the police use?

[Hoyt]

14. The country can only pray someone stands their ground against gun cultists' objections.

[holdencaufield]

15. I thought that was YOUR job?

How's things going with that? Made any progress in the fight against firearms?

[4th law of robotics]

22. Pray is the right word

Both prayer and gun control are things that have been demonstrated not to work other than to make those invoking them feel a little better.

So pushing gun control to end violence as you do is essentially no different than praying to end hurricanes and the like. Maybe it makes you feel better, it certainly makes you feel self-righteous and does precisely nothing to prevent the problem you are aiming at.

[holdencaufield]

16. "...guns are the instrument of death"

Then can you explain why ...

"Texas Chainsaw Killer" is so much scarier than "Texas High-Capacity Magazine Killer"?

Would a chainsaw with an extra large fuel tank be considered an "assault chainsaw"?

[Clames]

17. Large fuel tank...

...extended bar chain with military grade fully automatic chain oiler (high capacity of course), large assault type dog spikes, tactical light, and a full skip carbide armor piercing assault chain to round it out.

[holdencaufield]

18. Stop!

You're makin' me DROOOOL!

[TPaine7]

19. Baser instincts! n/t

[Missycim]

21. I guess Secularmotion

doesn't want Obama to get reelected, if obama tries to press a AWB ban it might very well cost him the election.


You do want to see him win don't you?