Okay pro-NRA member anti gun control DU'ers

[Homer12]

How do you "not" support conservative policy in this day and age?

It's a simple question.

I am being serious. It's a valid topic.

We know how far the NRA tentacles reach, they went as far as pressuring democrats to vote to hold Eric Holder in contempt and have on more than one occasion have been able with the help of ALEC to push through laws that give the presumption of innocents when someone is killed by a gun owner.


note: I now understand why DU admin has decided to corral the "Gun Control" subject into this little group area

[Dkc05]

1. There is no Pro NRA DU folks. Ban guns in President Obama's 2nd term

We have too many gun killings. We need to disarm all the guns. Only military and Law enforcement need to have them. End of Message.

[holdencaufield]

2. Do you both attend ...

... the same school?

[PavePusher]

77. Is that an unwashed sock I smell?

[holdencaufield]

8. Please do not...

... send me personal emails. If you have something to say to me -- please be kind enough to say it here in front of everyone. M'kay, Pumpkin?

[Dkc05]

13. Please be polite in your comments back

I did not attack your right to speak. Gun's kill innocent people. They need to be taken off the street. Military and Law enforcement can have individual citizens need to turn them in.

[holdencaufield]

18. That is your opinion ...

... and your opinion is noted.

However, be aware, your opinion and the restriction you propose are contrary to the letter and intent of the Constitution of the United States.

[Dkc05]

21. perhaps our constitution is outdated and we need a more fluid living constitution.

If we are truly progressive then we need to work to change the rules either by our elected officials or by executive order when its possible by the President. Enough innocent killing.

[Missycim]

24. No you don't get to

define what a progressive is. M'kay?

[holdencaufield]

27. "If we are truly progressive..."

I wasn't aware you had been empowered to decide what is, or is not, a truly progressive position.

How did you derive that power?

[Dkc05]

36. stop trying to be cute. Its we the people who decide.

Its the collective of the soceity.

[holdencaufield]

43. You're correct ...

... and "we the people" of the United States overwhelmingly support the right to keep and bear arms.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

47. Another tyranny of the majority "progressive"

What other constitutional rights are you in favor of destroying this week?

[Reasonable_Argument]

30. Would you apply that logic

To all our rights?

[Dkc05]

33. Yes as thing have changed since 1776. They need to be modernized as I said before more fluid

Living and breathing document. The constitution was written in a different era.

[Reasonable_Argument]

37. Interesting

Because I have a feeling we wouldn't have any of our rights much longer if it were as "fluid" as you wished.

[Dkc05]

40. Itr seems just the opposite right now. the right has hijacked the rights of the working poor

It seems like everyday they dominate us and we need to take control back from the masters who want to hold us all back.

[Reasonable_Argument]

42. Well

You're mixing your points. We aren't being screwed by our fundamental rights but our economic system is really screwing the lower classes over right.

[Jenoch]

74. What changes to the

U.S. Constitution would you propose? What strategies do you believe would be most effective in making those changes to the constitution?

[PavePusher]

78. Article 5 awaits you, go to town. n/t

[friendly_iconoclast]

79. Gee, that's also how Shrub and Cheney felt.

[NewMoonTherian]

23. I think you're wrong.

Individual ownership of firearms is extremely important for many reasons, and there is no compelling argument to support taking them away.

[Dkc05]

26. Too many innocent deaths in the home and on the street from guns.

[NewMoonTherian]

51. There are too many innocent deaths, period. And guns are not the leading cause. n/t

[Simo 1939_1940]

72. Kindly take the cotton out of your ears and place it in your mouth.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021058436

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

63. re: "Gun's kill innocent people."

Aside from the obvious and quite false anthropomorphism, there are awfully huge number of ways to kill people. There are many ways to kill people in large numbers, more cheaply and easily than you can with a gun. There are not so many ways/means to effectively defend yourself.

Where are you coming from with this?

[spin]

71. Firearms are also used by honest citizens for legitimate self defense ...

a fact that you simply ignore.

You also seem to lack commonsense. Eighty million people own firearms in our nation. How do you suggest we disarm them. The local police in the area I live support RKBA and have absolutely no interest in disarming honest citizens. Any attempt to confiscate firearms by the National Guard or our military could possibly cause an armed uprising.

No matter which side won, there would be unnecessary bloodshed. Some very conservative states might decide to secede from the union. The nation might well be divided in half right down the middle. It might not be a battle between the north and the south. Some more liberal states on opposite coasts might find themselves isolated.

You also lack the political support to pass any laws that would ban and confiscate all firearm ownership plus the Supreme Court has already ruled the gun ownership is allowed by the Constitution.

To put it bluntly your idea is a pipe dream.

[liberallibral]

76. Thanks for your concern... It's noted...

But THIS liberal Obama supporter is going to KEEP his guns and fight tooth and nail to protect the right to keep and bear arms.......

[ileus]

3. Another troll thread?

Honey boo boo sez wut?

[Homer12]

6. I am serious

Ileus - If a person is pro-NRA and anti-gun control how are they not supporting conservative policy.

All I see from this group is gun people whom are intolerant of any sort of discussion on the topic of any reasonable forms of gun control or even the mention of it.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

11. The point is...

...the RKBA should be a point of advocacy for both parties.

[DWC]

58. I absolutely agree

Anyone with even a modicum of common sense understands the right to bear arms and self defense is beyond politics.

Most democrats distance themselves from the far left elitists who try to associate supporters of the 2nd amendment with conservatism.

It is not liberal or conservative. It is American.

Semper Fi,

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

64. American

Yeah, now that's a thought; the RKBA spans parties and politics. I like it.

[Paladin]

73. "Beyond Politics"?

You make that claim, then you immediately trash "far left elistists." Yeah, no politics where you're coming from.

The plain fact is, the gun rights movement has been co-opted by right-wing political forces for decades. Proof of this is available in the DU RKBA group every single day. This notion that gun policy is "beyond politics" would be laughable, if it weren't so serious.

[friendly_iconoclast]

81. "Proof of this is available in the DU RKBA group". Kindly point it out, then.

You've no doubt got some links and citations ready to back up your claim.

Let's see them.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

12. You are "serious"? As serious as when you said "still a better conservative than most Republicans"?

Are you better than most Repubicans?

[Homer12]

17. You seem to be on a Witch Hunt, touche' I probably deserve it for my first thread

Better conservative. Yes. I am a better conservationist, I buy local food, save my rainwater, save energy, etc......

[cherokeeprogressive]

22. SWING!andamiss...

[Homer12]

25. cherokeeprogessive

Are you going after me as well?

[cherokeeprogressive]

29. Naw... I just had to laugh at your attempt to make "conservative" into "conservationist".

That's classic shit right there.

Too bad your GD brag about how schmart you are was locked though, huh?

[Homer12]

32. That's when I didn't realize

Why the gun group is corraled for a good reason.

Brag or not, there was a time when you could weed freepers out easily.

So good hunting. I forgot how fun it was.

[cherokeeprogressive]

35. Step away... from the shovel.

You're only digging a deeper and deeper hole.

One difference between you and I is I don't have fun doing things I'm not good at. You seem to enjoy something you're terrible at.

You go guy.

[Homer12]

44. Well you seem to be going after me, putting a good word in when you get the chance.

To be honest I do not not care.

People come and go on this site, people get blasted for bringing up issues, get blasted & flamed for having strong opinions, and seems that there is no place on DU for those who support stricter gun control laws.

[cherokeeprogressive]

50. That's funny... I don't see you debating stricter gun control laws, I see you calling out

Second Amendment supporters, and then bragging in another forum about how schmart you are for doing it.

I respect people who bring up issues and have strong opinions about them. On the other side of the coin I have very little respect for people who think they're schmarter than others and talk out of both sides of their mouth such as calling out DUers here and bragging about it in GD.

You seem to be a little confused about why you're being treated with less than kid gloves tonight. Surely you're not that thick?

[PavePusher]

80. "you seem to be going after me"

You don't understand how a discussion, or a discussion board, works, do you?

Please put down the glass you've chosen for your avatar, it's the only thing I can see that could account for your muddled posts, persecution complex, and all-around incoherency.

[Clames]

31. Look at who you are going after.

Two attack threads already means you are only here for one thing. You don't get to play the victim here.

[Homer12]

39. I'm no victim Clames

[Clames]

49. Certainly doing a good job of pretending then. n/t

[AnotherMcIntosh]

28. Even he didn't rec his own post this time. Apparently he learned from experience.

[Homer12]

34. It's called being being transparent in the other thread

So flame on, insult me more.

[Clames]

53. You should get a Teflon suit.

It would serve you better going forward around here.

[holdencaufield]

59. Maybe Kevlar?

[Clames]

67. Spectra.

Very tough and slick.

[holdencaufield]

68. Or -- more old school ...

[darkangel218]

14. You fail to see that majority of American People are against gun control.

Regardless of political preference, America doesn't want gun control. I'm sorry that frustrates you, but trust me, its not about to change anytime soon, no matter how many threads you will start.

[Hoyt]

54. That is not true. But the NRA wants you to believe that.

[darkangel218]

56. Im not an NRA member, just a 2nd amedment suporter.

No offence, but the very few of you who are pro gun controle, will never manage to change our constitutional right. Majority wins.

[Hoyt]

57. So you tote where it is illegal?

[cherokeeprogressive]

60. Where the hell did you get that from the post you replied to?

Do tell.

You lose what little credibility you have when you pull shit like that.

[Hoyt]

62. You guys seem to think 2nd Amendment prohibits most gun cotrol. Simply

Asking if you violate local laws regarding toting?

[cherokeeprogressive]

66. Simply asking my ass.

"So you tote" isn't quite the same as "So, do you tote" now is it. Kind of like the difference between "do you beat your wife" and "when did you stop beating your wife".

You slay me bro.

[Straw Man]

83. It's just slime.

Hoyt's stock-in-trade: "No Blow Too Low."

[Jenoch]

70. Why do we always hear the phrase

'reasonable gun control' and then hardly ever hear any 'reasonable gun control' proposals?

[darkangel218]

4. Lol!

[jody]

5. OP does not address "Gun Control & RKBA" issue should be in another forum. nt

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

45. I'm the one who...

...usually says that. Thanks for saving me the trouble.

[darkangel218]

7. Homer, do you own a gun?

You should buy one,.you'll see it doesn't go off on its own. And you'll feel a lot safer having a weapon to protect yourself.

[holdencaufield]

10. Warning ...

... Darwin Award contestants are ineligible if they are encouraged or cajoled to perform the acts that initially qualify them for competition.

Simply put -- if you dare him to do it, he can't win the prize.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

15. The winners never care...

...as the awards are posthumous.

[Homer12]

16. holdencaufield

Do not presume anything and your insult is noted.

[gejohnston]

9. I don't accept it as a conservative policy.

It became really a left right issue in the past forty years. It is really a populist vs elitist. Conservatives just happened to realize it can be used as a wedge issue when urban Democrats fucked up.

[Homer12]

19. Okay

But do you accept the fact the the NRA is supported and supports mainly Republican and conservative candidates and thus their policy?

[rDigital]

38. The NRA went to the mat supporting Dem. Gov. Ted Strickland in Ohio. My favorite governor ever.

[Homer12]

41. Do you agree with them forcing congress people

to vote to hold Eric Holder in contempt? By saying they would take away their support if they didn't hold Holder in contempt.

[rDigital]

48. I support cats & transparency. Do you? Obama is Pro-2A and so am I.

No one is forcing anyone to do anything. They all make their own choices. If you think they can be forced with just a little NRA cheddar, then maybe we need better politicians.

Like I said, I support cats and transparency.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1036&pid=7881

[darkangel218]

52. Meow!

[gejohnston]

61. that is not actually true either

They supported Bernie Sanders and Howard Dean. Even if they did, it would be for the same reason Emily's List would mostly support Democrats.

They are single issue regardless of the party, even though they have some crazy assholes on the board of directors.

[Reasonable_Argument]

20. Well

I'm a member of the NRA because I support the 2nd amendment, the classes they offer, along with the free insurance and discounts for members. I DON'T donate to the NRA-IRA because they predominantly support republican candidates.

[rrneck]

46. I love it when the gungeon gets rebooted. nt

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

65. I think next time...

...we need to run a chkdsk, full virus scan and a spyware check from safe mode.

[HooptieWagon]

55. Only 4% of gun owners belong to the NRA.

And the number is certainly lower among Democrats, and probably even lower yet among DUers. So the OP appears to be nothing but flame-bait, unworthy of response.

[Jenoch]

69. ".push through laws that give the presumption of innocents when someone is killed by a gun owner..."

Presumption of 'innocents'? How many innocents?

Do you really believe there is a problem with 'the presumption of innocence' in our court system? That's the basis of of justice in this country and has been since it was founded. I don't understand the point you wished to make with this statement.

[slackmaster]

75. I don't support authoritarian policies from either extreme of any political spectrum

HTH

[Straw Man]

82. And yet ...

... some faux-moderates claim that "no one wants to take your guns away."

This place has really, really degenerated. With the hair-on-fire pseudo-moralists, the sneering peer-reviewed crypto-elitists, and the in-your-face polemicists, it's like Free Republic, Through-the-Looking-Glass Edition.

Y'all know who you are. I fear for the future of the Democratic Party if this is a representative sample of its public voice.