Alternatives to the NRA

[GreenStormCloud]

Most of the antis around here, and some of the gunners, are anti-NRA. They seem to think that the NRA is too radial. There are politically active alternatives to the NRA, however these alternate organizations seem to view the NRA as soft. Some of these alternatives have over a million members, some are fledgings with only a few members. Here is what some googling tuned up. I checked for national organizations only as there were way to many state organizations. In no particular order, here they are:

Second Amendment Foundation (This group was founded by dissatisfied NRA members who thought that the NRA was too soft.)
Gun Owners of America (“The only no compromise gun lobby in Washington” That’s what they call themselves.)
Gun Owner’s Action League
Second Amendment Police Department (Cops who are pro-RKBA)
National Association of Gun Rights
Students for Concealed Carry
Students for Second Amendment
Constitutional Rights Enforcement & Support Team
Second Amendment Sisters
Pink Pistols (Armed gays don’t get bashed.)
Armed Females of America (They want to repeal ALL gun laws including NFA 1934)
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (They are a “never again” group)
Liberty Belles
Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership
Doctors for Sensible Gun Laws (Note: Not same organization as above but both have the same purpose. Strongly pro-gun)
Citizen's Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms
Mothers Arms
The Paul Revere Network
NRAWOL (They think the NRA is AWOL in the fight for gun rights.)

[DrDan]

1. like the NRA, I assume all of these listed are working toward the defeat of Obama

no - not going to look at any of their sites - just making an assumption

[slackmaster]

2. How open-minded of you!

[DrDan]

4. I also do not visit FR - does that make me closed-minded as well?

[slackmaster]

8. Today's lesson in fruit identification...

Apples...



Oranges...

[DrDan]

12. and your point is . . .

[slackmaster]

21. None of those sites is Free Republic

You ASSUME that because they are pro-RKBA they must share all of the values of Free Republic.

That's intellectually lazy. The Package Deal logical fallacy.

[DrDan]

22. I NEVER said that - I said I assumed they supported the defeat of Obama, like the NRA

quit making up crap in the guise of intellectual superiority

[GreenStormCloud]

5. That assumption is correct.

They are all more radical than the NRA.

[gejohnston]

7. I don't picture

the Pink Pistols voting for Mitt especially since he has been hanging around Pat Robertson.

[GreenStormCloud]

11. Likely not, but at the local level they might make a few votes difference. N/T

[DrDan]

13. they supported the Libertarian candidate in 2004

so they have a history of working to defeat the Democrats

[gejohnston]

14. How so?

If there is a Libertarian running, who does the vote split work against? That is the problem with multiple parties in winner take all systems. If you have two center right parties and one center left party, the center left one wins.
They have a history of working against both Democrats and Republicans, but effectively screwing Republicans. The Greens do the same with Democrats.

[DrDan]

15. they endorsed an other-than-Democratic candidate - thereby working for the defeat of Kerry in 2004

That, btw, is not allowed here

"Winning elections is important — therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground"

[gejohnston]

16. I understand what you are saying

I'm not supporting any of these other people. I'm just saying when the PP supports Libertarians, it splits the vote in favor of Democrats. Most Libertarians are straight tea party and Ron Paul types who would other wise vote for the Republican.
If they endorsed the Greens, you would be totally correct.
If Ron Paul were to launch his own spoiler write in campaign, the right of center vote would be split between Mitt, Paul, and whoever the Libertarian is. We and Obama laugh our asses all the way to term two.

[DrDan]

18. I can only assume that if not voting for the Libertarian, they would vote D

I find it difficult to believe they would vote R - but could certainly be in error.

If correct, they are taking votes from our party.

[gejohnston]

19. You mean these guy specifically

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Could be. There might be some Log Cabin greed heads among them. Then again, if they can get enough Ron Paul tea baggers excited about their guy over Mitt, it works for us.

[DrDan]

20. who knows how they would vote otherwise - not me

The R's are officially against their marriage rights - not so with the D's and their 2A interests

That is why I feel they would tend vote D.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

26. How delightfully biased of you

The Pink Pistols are generally more liberal than DU. All the ones that I know are supporting Obama

[DrDan]

29. see post #5

and they supported the Libertarian candidate in 2004 against Kerry.

[4th law of robotics]

3. I think a good alternative to the NRA would be

for the issue to be settled. No more attacks on the 2nd amendment and the NRA becomes a hobby club once more.

Just like I wish we didn't need an ACLU. Or NOW. Or a pro-choice lobbying group. Or any of the rest.

[GreenStormCloud]

6. Sorry. I forgot to include my point.

If the NRA were to be eliminated tomorrow, there are plenty of even more radical organizations that would take its place. The gun owners aren't going away and they will want someone to represent them to congress.

SAF (Second Amendment Foundation) has over a million members. On of the other had about a half million. So those who defend gun-rights are here to stay.

[rl6214]

9. So you're saying the NRA is the lesser of all evils?

I am not an NRA member but we do need some representative ou tand they seem to be our best choice. If the NRA were to dissolve do you think the NRAs 4.5 million active members would join one of these more radical groups?

[GreenStormCloud]

10. They would have to go somewhere.

And all of the choices are really radical.

[Glaug-Eldare]

17. What's so radical about SAF?

Their mission is a lot different than NRA's. For one thing, they're accomplishing things in Maryland. NRA does jack shit down here.

[GreenStormCloud]

24. SAF funded Heller, NRA was against it until very late in the game. N/T

[Travis_0004]

27. How is that radical?

I as well as many people agree with the Heller decision.

The reason the NRA was against it at first, is because they were worried about loosing. Having a supreme court decision go the 'wrong' way (in the NRA's opinion) could have been bad, and they didn't want to take a chance.

That doesn't make SAF radical.

[GreenStormCloud]

28. The SAF was willing to gamble.

I am happy with the Heller decision, but if the initial decision had been mine I would not have gambled. The NRA is not as hard core as SAF and is more willing to compromise in some areas. The SAF is no compromise at all, and the same can be said of the other organizations that I listed.

I wonder what their total membership is?

[Common Sense Party]

23. "the NRA is too radial"

I really tire of hearing that.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

25. lol

*groan*