Man shot in foot during alleged Eddington break-in

[ileus]

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/01/07/news/bangor/police-respond-to-shooting-in-eddington/

“A family came home and found that somebody had broken into the home and the homeowner confronted him,” the deputy chief said. “The masked suspect was shot in the foot and fled from the house and was located in a house across the street.”

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As I always say....practice, practice, practice. You don't want to wound a potential killer and leave him to invade your neighbors home.

I also don't recommend trying to clear you home if there's no one in danger.


What would you do?

[Scuba]

1. Well, after he shot himself in the foot, I'd probably fall down laughing.

[Hoyt]

2. I commend the homeowner for not shooting the robber in the chest as others advise.

Everything worked out fine, other than pro-gun crowd here not being able to cheer another man blasted to death.

[E6-B]

5. Advise will get you killed.

What do you base this advise on?

Police officers are trained to put 2 shots in the chest and one in the head. Then continue shooting until the perp is on the ground.

A perp within 21 feet can be shot to death, yet there will be life in his body long enough to reach and kill the person who shot him.

That is not only bad advise, it is down right negligent advise.

[Hoyt]

6. According to whom? There's more to this than just killing a threat. This person did it right.

Other situations might be different.

You need to get the gungho crud out of mind. You sound like one of those guys who probably believed everything the coach told you too.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

7. According to those who know what the hell they're talking about.

When virtually every instructor on the planet teaches the same technique, there's a strong probability that technique has been proven to work.

In this case, the person got lucky - nothing more, nothing less. What he did was tactically stupid.

[Hoyt]

8. Look, there are a couple of sides to this, not just some "instructor's" who makes his money

pandering to -- and telling -- a bunch of gun culture hangers-on what they want to hear -- "tell me how to kill a man dead."

Reminds me of the gungho guys who'd do anything the coach says, without giving it a thought. Plenty of situations end without having to plug someone center-mass so one can put a notch in their gun and brag to their "instructor" that they did it right.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

9. No there really arent

And it isn't just instructors who run private classes, but anyone who teaches even for law enforcement or the military. It has nothing to do with what you assume it to be.

Shooting someone is not something anyone takes lightly - at least not anyone who is going to take the time and effort to actually learn the right way to use a firearm. As you have been told more times than anyone cares to count, shooting someone is a last resort solution - to be used when and only when there are no other alternatives than the employment of potentially lethal force.

What it reminds you of has no bearing on what it is in reality.

[Hoyt]

10. People would do better concentrating on the first few resorts, rather than the last.

I think people who have trained themselves for the "last" resort to the point they think they are an expert, tend to move it up in the hierarchy.

"Right way to use a firearm" according to whom?

[E6-B]

16. Notch? Grow up.

Have you ever talked to any police or civilian who has actually been in s gun fight? There is nothing gungho about these people and they all wish they could have done more to not use bullets to stop the fight.

I can honestly say you don't know what your talking about.

[Hoyt]

17. I've had guns pulled on me, and handled it without one of my own. If I'd had a gun,

someone might well have been hurt beyond one stupid gun "carrier" having his hand nearly twisted off and his knees torn from crawling through brush looking for the various parts of his beloved 45 ACP. There are many ways to handle situations without a gun.

You are the one quoting shooting at center mass and other crud from "gun" instructors. Go get some instructions from someone who is not into that stuff. It should be required to get a permit, as should viewing videos of children shot because some guy was showing off his gun, playing fast draw, intimidating someone, or just plain careless.

Thems facts.

[rl6214]

25. WOW, new "facts" of the story come out

So now you hurt said gun carrier by "having his hand nearly twisted off and his knees torn from crawling through brush looking for the various parts of his beloved 45 ACP." Don't you EVER get tired of the shtick? If you would only stick to the real facts you would have a LOT more credability around here instead of the:

practice in front of the mirror, playing fast draw, intimidating, stuff a gun or two down your pants, John Wayne cowboy, baser instinct, gunner, toter mindless crap that you post around here most of the time.

"Go get some instructions from someone who is not into that stuff."

And who would you recomment getting firearms defense instruction from if not from a "gun" instructor?

[Hoyt]

27. Don't you get tired of keeping "files" on people?

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I'd recommend getting training from someone who knows we are not at war with the citizenry.

And firing center mass -- twice in the chest and once in the head as our new gun culture member described it -- ain't necessary most of the time. Besides, some of you guys hang too much on every word the "instructor" says. They can be clueless too.

[rl6214]

30. No "files"

I just remeber a few variations of this story. It just the story that keeps on giving.

I would not fire twice to the chest and once in the head. I would keep firing center mass until the threat is no longer a threat. Too much chance of missing a small target like a head. My "instructor" I had when I took my Texas concealed handgun class said pretty much the same thing, shoot for center mass. I cannot say I would retreat until I could not retreat any more before firing but I would not make the option of firing lightly. It might be a last resort or it might be the first and only option.

[E6-B]

31. What is your unarmed training?

Before I listen to you, what is your unarmed training?

[Hoyt]

32. First off, one must view our country as place where you don't have to pack a gun in public --

Can't remember exactly what my instructor said, but that's close.

[E6-B]

33. Sounds like a fortune cookie

What was this unarmed training? How effective is it, I may want to take this training.

[Hoyt]

34. Quite effective. Never been shot. I believe in fortune cookies.

[E6-B]

13. My coach

In my case my coaches were 3 retired police and military. Two of them former police instructors and one of them retired after surviving two gun fights.

[Hoyt]

28. Well, fine, if you were training to be a policeman. If for personal defense or just to meet

requirements to walk around with a gun or two, not so much.

I don't think military training -- usually laying down a barrage or burst of fire -- is applicable to most stateside situations. But then, some of you can always hope and equip yourself to handle your dream situation. Sounds like the guy here who was telling us he had a red dot sight in case he had to "clear a room." Too much TV if you ask me.

[Atypical Liberal]

12. I don't think that is correct.

Police officers are trained to put 2 shots in the chest and one in the head. Then continue shooting until the perp is on the ground.

I do not believe this is accurate for police officers. My understanding is that police officers are generally trained to shoot center of mass.

[E6-B]

15. Body armor.

After Hollywood bank robbery and their use of body armor, center of mass may not work. Groin shots just below body armor are also recommended.

[Hoyt]

19. Yea, that happens all the time. I'd quit watching such stuff and enjoy real life.

[E6-B]

21. Once again don't know what your talking about

All you had to was google 'crime body armor' before embarrasing yourself.

[rl6214]

26. With all of your stuffing a gun or two down your pants and

practising your fast draw in front of a mirror bs I don't think you know what "real life" really is.

[Hoyt]

18. Are you a policeman, or maybe a wannabee out protecting society with your gun?

I doubt John Q. Gun-carrier will ever be in the same situation as a policeman, but most seem to think they will.

My father-in-law was a policeman with over 20 years and retired Air Force with 25. I will never forget the day he laughed in the face of a "toter" who was wearing dual shoulder holsters in a family restaurant and called him a "silly fool" to boot. My FIL was unarmed and dying from kidney disease -- yet he knew a "silly fool" when he saw one.

[oneshooter]

20. Just like we can know a"silly fool" just by reading his posts, Hoyt. n/t

[Union Scribe]

22. Boy, you sure do have a story for every occasion

You seem to have had more interaction with the gun community than anyone who has ever lived.

[Hoyt]

23. I post from decades of experience, some were even good.

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[Atypical Liberal]

29. I am neither a policeman nor do I carry a firearm outside the home. n/t

[SteveW]

3. "...located in house across the street?" A real stinker...

Moves in and immediately (like an addict) breaks into the nearest residence. And 'toting' a record as long as a Missouri-Pacific freight, he was out on the street?

[ileus]

4. he'll be back to the old grind after he heals up...

[burf]

14. There is a second story about Darren

the upstanding citizen that says he was staying at the house he ran to "had been staying there a couple of days with a visiting relative". But at least Darren, as an unemployed chef, will have a skill that maybe he can utilitze while in prison.

At what point do the citizens get tired of the Darrens of the world and their lifestyle?

[rl6214]

24. Call cops, stay outside until they arrive, let them clear house.