Cash for Guns – No Background Checks

[SecularMotion]

http://livingfor32.com/extras/cash-for-guns-no-background-checks/

[slackmaster]

1. All of the sellers in that video have a few things in common

Because the law doesn't allow non-(federal firearm) licensees to use the National Instant Check System, there is no legally defensible way for them to perform a background check on buyers of used firearms even if checks on that kind of transaction were required.

Checks could be implemented, but the Brady Campaign doesn't have any practical plan for making that happen. Their purpose in creating this video is to appeal to emotions of people who are ignorant of the law.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

2. +1 typical Brady n/t

[SecularMotion]

3. The sellers in the video fail to perform the minimum requirement of a photo ID check.

Do you agree a reasonable regulation for gun shows would be to require and provide access to the NICS for all sellers?

[slackmaster]

4. There is no legal requirement for a photo ID check when selling a used firearm

At least not in most states.

Do you agree a reasonable regulation for gun shows would be to require and provide access to the NICS for all sellers?

Yes, I believe that NICS should be made available to the general public, with some simple safeguards to prevent it from being used for any purpose other than a firearm transfer.

Having a legally defensible way to check the background of a gun buyer available also means that people who don't use NICS and sell to someone who turns out to have been prohibited from owning a firearm could be held criminally liable for the transaction.

Under the present system, all a seller has to say is "I had no way of knowing the person was a convicted felon (or whatever.)"

[gejohnston]

5. private sellers don't even have to do that

legally, although it would be wise. What state was this? Some states and some gun show promoters do have a designated FFL do the checks, then give a wrist band for those who pass. There are a lot of FFLs at gun shows. Have an off duty cop, which they hire for security, use their local system. Or set up national op out system where a NICS code would be put on your DL or state ID.

[Eleanors38]

10. Check Derby's post. I'm not a dealer; I CAN'T access NICS.nt

[oneshooter]

11. Do you activly support the Brady Campaign or the VPC?

[AtheistCrusader]

12. Wierd, I thought only the Republicans wanted photo ID for the exercise of a civil right.

[Atypical Liberal]

14. There is no requirement for a photo ID check.

In every state I've lived in, I can post an ad in the classifieds, meet someone in a gas station parking lot, and exchange cash for a firearm, no questions asked.

I did this just a month ago.

If I wanted, I could have requested that the fellow meet me at a gun store, and have him pay $25-$50 extra dollars for an FFL background check, but who wants that extra expense or government tracking?

An easy way around this problem is universal opt-out licensing. Give everyone who applies for a state-issued ID a Firearm Ownership License unless they opt out of the NICS check.

Then require a recording of the license information during any private firearm sale, with steep penalties for firearms recovered from crimes that are traced back to sellers without the records.

Cuts off the easy sale of firearms to criminals, preserves anonymous firearm ownership, and allows for direct mail order of firearms again. It's a win for everyone.

[SecularMotion]

16. The video specifically addresses private sales at gun shows

I found rules and regulations for gun shows in Ohio where the first sales in the video took place.

GUN SHOW SECURITY IS PROVIDED BY LOCAL POLICE IN UNIFORM AND PLAIN CLOTHES, BUT THEY CANNOT BE EVERYWHERE. POLICE YOUR OWN TABLES TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM THEFT. REQUIRE PROPER IDENTIFICATION WHEN SELLING FIREARMS, AMMO, OR WEAPONS TO DETERMINE AGE AND IDENTITY. YOU MUST BE 21 YEARS OLD TO BUY A HANDGUN OR HANDGUN AMMO. MINORS ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THE SHOW WITHOUT PARENTS. IF YOU SEE MINORS WITHOUT PARENTS, REPORT THEM TO SECURITY.

http://www.ohiogunshows.com/rules.html

If gun shows can't police themselves, regulations are needed.

[gejohnston]

17. is that the unedited video?

I'm skeptical of "under cover" videos made by advocacy groups and propagandists. See James O'Keefe.
How do you know it was in Ohio?

[Atypical Liberal]

18. Why make different regulations for private sales at gun shows?

I just think it's silly to have different regulations for private sales at gun shows as opposed to out of the back of my car.

[oneshooter]

19. Do you activly support the Brady Campaign or the VPC?

[4th law of robotics]

15. Fixed quote:

"Their purpose ... is to appeal to emotions of people who are ignorant of the law."

[Remmah2]

6. Cash for Guns without ID; happens all the time.

It's called the mayor's against violence gun buyback programs. Cash or gift cards with complete amnesty for the seller.

[Clames]

7. OP supports gun turn-ins which are basically cash-for-guns without background checks.

[AtheistCrusader]

13. And potentially dispose of guns used in crimes, no questions asked.

[ileus]

8. I sold two guns for cash this year.

Didn't make much on either one, but that's ok they helped fund my next purchase.

Also traded a Mini for a p229 from a guy off Facebook.

[Travis_0004]

9. That video makes me upset.

There is no way that AK was worth 660. He overpaid.

A bit more on topic. I sold a gun this week to a private individual. He showed me his CCW license, which was more than I needed to see, but even if he only showed me his drivers license, I would have been fine with that.