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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 07:54 PM Oct 2012

The US is probably the world's largest arms exporter.

I mean arms of all types. From .44 magnums to fighters jets we export boatloads. Not that we don't keep a sizable portion right here and actually import some as well, we do. Nearly half of all the conventional firearms held in the world by private citizens are here in the US. With a population of about 311,000,000, we have almost as many guns, nearly 1 per person. The rest of the world has on average about 1 gun for every 23 people.

For those who don't believe we have an individual RKBA, at this time you are left with a choice. You can indulge this belief that is common in this group among gun owners around the country, or you can stop reading and maybe hit ignore or trash.

If you're still with me, you need to know that the spirit of general trust of one's fellow man is what inspired the Founders to list and protect the RKBA. They trusted each other more than any government. More than the government they were forming.

Tenche Coxe said, "Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American… The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."

In the 18th century, the Founders saw England go from an ally during the 1750s to an enemy in the 1770s. The French whom they fought against along with England, became allies. Can their be a lesson more convincing or more dramatically in your face that government can change from a friend to enemy within a generation than that one?

The hope of the Founders was to acknowledge and protect the people's rights. In no other way than by making the government subject to abolishment at the will of the people, violently if need be, could freedom best be maintained. This system has been working for 225 years. Since then, it has become obvious what our most important export really is. It's not arms, it's our Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration.

"Today, of the 192 independent nations of the world, all but a very few have such a constitution or are committed to having one. Among the exceptions are the United Kingdom, New Zealand, and Israel—democratic nations with sophisticated constitutional jurisprudence but no one specific document that can be called a constitution."


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The US is probably the world's largest arms exporter. (Original Post) discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 OP
I don't think there's any "probably" about it. 99th_Monkey Oct 2012 #1
True. Clames Oct 2012 #2
It appears the Pentagon is being vexed by computer chips made in China 99th_Monkey Oct 2012 #4
Supply chain issue. Clames Oct 2012 #9
Not to be really boring but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #10
All standards are only as good as their enforcement. Clames Oct 2012 #11
Considering that the DoD... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #12
If the DoD had a hand building your TV... Clames Oct 2012 #13
yeah but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #14
"They trusted each other more..." than some here will concede.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #3
They knew that -They- Are The Government. That is what Self Governing means Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2012 #5
It is that story by Martin Niemöller... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #6
Indeed. Well Said. Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2012 #7
Thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #8
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
1. I don't think there's any "probably" about it.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 08:06 PM
Oct 2012

The arms manufacturing industry is I believe one of the largest, if
not THE largest, manufacturing sector remaining in the US that hasn't
been outsources just yet, due to legitimate "security" concerns. But
I wouldn't be surprised -- given what a cluster-fuck the Military-Industrial
sector has become -- if they aren't also eventually out-sourced overseas.

 

Clames

(2,038 posts)
2. True.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 09:28 PM
Oct 2012

In terms of monetary value our exports are several times the next competitor's. I doubt we'll ever outsource our military production. Technology is too valuable and too advanced.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
4. It appears the Pentagon is being vexed by computer chips made in China
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:48 AM
Oct 2012

these chip acted oddly, or are "counterfeit", i.e. illegally mis-labeled as "Intel" et. al.
and are notoriously shoddy, inferior or faulty somehow, and many of these are finding
their way into military equipment, despite having known about this problem for some
time, prior to when this article was written in May of 2012.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-05-21/china-top-source-of-counterfeit-u-dot-s-dot-military-electronics

 

Clames

(2,038 posts)
9. Supply chain issue.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:41 PM
Oct 2012

But that is not the same as buying complete systems our even significant parts of systems. The barrel of the M1 tank is a US made version of a gun licenced from Germany. Same with our small arms systems. We need to do a better job of making sure such chips don't contain hidden code but there is only so much that can be done. We buy Dell laptops almost exclusively and many contain foreign made chipsets but it is not feasible or rational to expect Dell to build a while new supply chain to exclude certain chips.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
10. Not to be really boring but...
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 05:08 PM
Oct 2012

This problem was addressed in the development of "Common Criteria" which allow for the categorization of seven Evaluation Assurance Levels. Most weapons systems that I've worked on would meet EAL 7. The commercial and military avionics products that I've worked on would meet EAL 7 for almost every aspect of the products while the remaining elements would meet EAL 6. The same would be true for medical products. The medical industry/FDA is adopting the same standards the FAA has dictated that include the modified condition/decision code coverage evaluation. The methods for verifying the design of items, components, units and systems are available but it is the burden of those supervising the program/procurement to assure that these checks are in place and being well monitored.

https://buildsecurityin.us-cert.gov/bsi/articles/best-practices/requirements/239-BSI.html

These and other standards, some targeting specific categories of products have been developed and provide a model for the buyer (DoD, Airline, Hospital...) and seller (General Dynamics, Boeing, Abbott Labs...) to agree on and follow.

 

Clames

(2,038 posts)
11. All standards are only as good as their enforcement.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:21 PM
Oct 2012

Addressing a problem is far from actually fixing one. I have long experience with the DoD on that front.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
12. Considering that the DoD...
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:03 PM
Oct 2012

...is much more diligent than most commercial enterprises, it's amazing that my TV works at all.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
5. They knew that -They- Are The Government. That is what Self Governing means
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:17 AM
Oct 2012

WE are our own Government. It is not a separate entity. -We- are responsible as Concerned Citizens and Contributing Members of Society. All of us contribute - some positively and others --- not so much. We should help those in need and those who have negative impact on society will have to learn the consequences of their actions. We are One. Each of Us combine together to be More Than The Sum Total.

That we are the Largest Exporter of Arms, I have no doubt. This is not necessaraily a good thing. Those same Arms have the potentional to be used against us. All the more reason that 2A remain intact and that Our Individual Rights continue to make us a Strong Unit.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
6. It is that story by Martin Niemöller...
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:47 PM
Oct 2012
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.


The spirit of unity and mutual participation is ever vital to being an American. The exercise of sharing one's voice through discussion, debate and casting a vote is to experience and spread the essence of what we are. Those that run as candidates, those that volunteer for the service and their friends and families that support them all make this country what it is. Supporters, families and friends that campaign for those running all help in being American. We are not all Democrats but we all need to support the Democracy in which we participate. We are not all Republicans but we need to support the Republic in which we live.

The only true failure is refusing to participate. Everyone's ideas and values deserve respect.

Our addiction to arms sales is something on which we need to work. You'd think after we armed the Taliban, we would've learned something.

Freedom and rights are a another matter. If only we as Americans could apply what Nicolas Cage's character, Yuri Orlov, said about his shady arms dealings to worldwide individual rights and liberty. A Soviet General (and relative of the Orlov character) remarked that eventually someone in would discover the illegal sales of former soviet arms to Orlov who was illegally reselling them at a profit to over a dozen African nations enmeshed in civil wars, rebellions and bloody turmoil. Orlov said simply, "We'll cut them in."



That idea is the essence of predatory capitalism. But the idea of helping others around the world be free by giving away the means to form a Constitutional Democracy is as positive as the other idea is negative. We ALL ultimately profit from our mutual freedom.

The oppressors and especially the oppressed worldwide need to break the cycle of oppression and adopt liberty and respect, let's all do what we can to cut them in.
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