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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 05:36 PM Oct 2012

Accidental shooting of 8 year-old stresses need for safety training

CEDAR FALLS (KWWL) -

The Black Hawk County Sheriff is stressing the need for proper firearm training following an accident at a Cedar Falls gun range.

Eight-year-old David Young suffered a gunshot wound to the head Monday while taking part in target practice at the Black Hawk Park gun range. A source close to the investigation confirmed with us -- the gun was in the hands of Young's five-year-old sister.

Monday night, Young was transferred to the Brain Trauma Center at University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics. A hospital representative contacted Tuesday afternoon could not confirm his current condition.

Park supervisors re-opened the gun range to the public Tuesday, and several people showed up for target practice. James Heiselman was among them. He shot his first gun when he was nine years old, and passed the tradition on to his children.

http://www.kwwl.com/story/19956702/accidental-shooting-of-8-year-old-brings-safety-reminder
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Accidental shooting of 8 year-old stresses need for safety training (Original Post) SecularMotion Oct 2012 OP
not an accident - caused by stupid adults playing with dangerous toys nt msongs Oct 2012 #1
Correction: Guns are not toys. Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #16
Five is usually too young for a person to have internalized the rules of safe firearm handling slackmaster Oct 2012 #2
Safety training which is opposed by gun controllers Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #3
I think parents with guns need to train their kids. Not the schools. Logical Oct 2012 #5
Why not schools too? Kids whose parents don't own guns may still encounter them petronius Oct 2012 #6
The schools DO NOT train the following..... Logical Oct 2012 #7
And yet schools do teach a slew of life skills - sex ed, and health, and drug petronius Oct 2012 #9
Many kids never use a gun growing up. And we all know gun accidents kill very few kids! Swimming.... Logical Oct 2012 #11
Swimming should certainly be included in PE, IMO - actually, that's one of the first petronius Oct 2012 #12
I see your point. Many parents would throw a fit I am sure. Too emotional. Logical Oct 2012 #13
It is something that I would think should be a parental opt-out activity; outside of the petronius Oct 2012 #14
Opting out would be a good idea. But offering it would not be a bad thing at all! Logical Oct 2012 #15
Many school age kids never drink, smoke, do drugs, have sex 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #20
Health class? Now you want power tools, swimming and guns taught in Health Class?? Logical Nov 2012 #21
No, those were examples 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #22
Yes, no time to do it. How about a voluntary class offered on weekends for parents who want.... Logical Nov 2012 #23
Our sex ed didn't teach us anything important... AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #24
Schools most definitely taught the use of power tools when I was a kid slackmaster Nov 2012 #18
Many (maybe most?) rural schools teach all or much of that list. PavePusher Nov 2012 #26
I think parents should teach kids about safe sex 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #19
Dunno about "safety training" in this instance... PavePusher Oct 2012 #4
Safety first when on the range....just like kids ileus Oct 2012 #8
Uh oh - looks like you've gotten your one-strike, so you're out! petronius Oct 2012 #10
Who give the fiver year old sister freedomboogie Nov 2012 #17
Firearm safety training should be a required course in our public schools. jbgood1977 Nov 2012 #25
 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
2. Five is usually too young for a person to have internalized the rules of safe firearm handling
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 05:57 PM
Oct 2012

My brother did fine at age six, but he's exceptional in many ways.

petronius

(26,603 posts)
6. Why not schools too? Kids whose parents don't own guns may still encounter them
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:42 PM
Oct 2012

at the homes of others - or even in the street - and would benefit from some basic safety advice, lumped in with all the other 'life-skills' training presented in schools.

Five is too young, though; this was purely a parental (or other supervisory) fail...

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
7. The schools DO NOT train the following.....
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:47 PM
Oct 2012

Using ladders
Swimming
Using Chain Saws
Using Power Tools
Climbing Trees
And most not even drivers training anymore

And kids are much more likely to encounter those items than they are guns.

petronius

(26,603 posts)
9. And yet schools do teach a slew of life skills - sex ed, and health, and drug
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:02 PM
Oct 2012

awareness come to mind. And, kids are more likely to encounter a firearm in an 'irresponsible behavior' sort of setting than they are a power tool, so it makes more sense to include basic gun safety in those life skills modules.

But personally, I would not exclude shop, home ec, and drivers ed from schools either...

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
11. Many kids never use a gun growing up. And we all know gun accidents kill very few kids! Swimming....
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:13 PM
Oct 2012

kills many more and schools do not teach swimming.

petronius

(26,603 posts)
12. Swimming should certainly be included in PE, IMO - actually, that's one of the first
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:22 PM
Oct 2012

things I'd choose if I could specify the list of life skills a kid should leave school with. But I'd include basic firearm safety knowledge as well...

petronius

(26,603 posts)
14. It is something that I would think should be a parental opt-out activity; outside of the
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:37 PM
Oct 2012

core academic curriculum, I'm in favor of some parental involvement/choice (I'm really not sure where I'd draw the "No you can't opt out!" line)...

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
20. Many school age kids never drink, smoke, do drugs, have sex
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 03:30 PM
Nov 2012

and the like.

We still go over those things in health class.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
22. No, those were examples
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 06:14 PM
Nov 2012

You could learn about that in English class.

How about we have all sorts of classes reaching all sorts of things?

Do you have a specific reason for thinking ignorance is preferable?

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
23. Yes, no time to do it. How about a voluntary class offered on weekends for parents who want....
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 06:20 PM
Nov 2012

to use it?

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
18. Schools most definitely taught the use of power tools when I was a kid
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:21 AM
Nov 2012

Wood shop, metal shop, etc.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
26. Many (maybe most?) rural schools teach all or much of that list.
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:18 AM
Nov 2012

Last edited Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:22 PM - Edit history (1)

Most of them still have shop/"industrial arts", FFA, etc.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
19. I think parents should teach kids about safe sex
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 03:29 PM
Nov 2012

often they don't.

We're better off as a society if we teach them about it in school as well. At worst they hear the same things twice.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
4. Dunno about "safety training" in this instance...
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:31 PM
Oct 2012

but almost certainly parental supervision was faulty/lacking.

I sure hope the poor kid makes it through without any permenent disability.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
8. Safety first when on the range....just like kids
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:01 PM
Oct 2012

everywhere you never know when they're just gonna take off.

Last Friday we were shooting the crossbow in the back yard. I'd just turned over control of the bow to my 8yo. His friend 7 that was taking turns shooting just ran right in front of him. I spoke to them both for a good 8 minutes before we resumed shooting.

When at the range with our family firearms I make the non shooting kid(s) sit down. I was careless last Friday and neglected my own "kids" don't move rule.

petronius

(26,603 posts)
10. Uh oh - looks like you've gotten your one-strike, so you're out!
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:05 PM
Oct 2012

For convenience, go ahead and box up your firearms and ship them to me; I'll take care of the proper disposal...

 

jbgood1977

(91 posts)
25. Firearm safety training should be a required course in our public schools.
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:03 AM
Nov 2012

I'm thinking elementary at the start of it, but it should progress throughout the school hierarchy.

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