Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumThe Majority of Gun Owners are Law Abiding, Tax Paying Human Beings and that's WHY
I Support the Second Ammendment.
doc03
(35,364 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
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doc03
(35,364 posts)full of gun owners. So that means there are many gun owners that aren't exactly model citizens.
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(56,912 posts)doc03
(35,364 posts)prison that committed a gun crime. You need a f---g link, you say there aren't? Now come on you can't be so hard headed that you can't admit that many people that are gun owners haven't committed a crime and many are multiple offenders. With our current laws any convicted murderer that is released from prison can buy a gun at a gun show or on the street from an individual with no background check. It is fact and you can bs to you are blue in the face but it is a fact. If I have a gun I want to sell and Charlie Manson wants to buy it all he needs is the money and he is off to murder someone.
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(56,912 posts)doc03
(35,364 posts)the truth. You don't think there should be any gun laws and just anyone should just be able to buy anything. I guess we should all carry a gun in a holster and have gun fights at high noon like old Dodge, City. I can gun someone down and my buddies say he drew in self defence and Marshall Dillon has to let me go. I can kill someone else the next day as long as I have some witness that says the other guy drew first.
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(56,912 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)and no one said anything about being no gun laws, only maintaining the status quo. BTW, one street criminal selling to another is continues in DC, Chicago, Toronto, Kingston, London.........
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)you should be forbidden from moving freely around society without an escort. You are clearly a danger to yourself and others.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)As for the rest... well, we covered that already. Already illegal.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=83892
Something being illegal seems to have little bearing on criminals doing it anyway. WOuld you like to make it double-illegal?
What solutions do you propose?
trouble.smith
(374 posts)then surely you must recognize that legislation directed at firearms and the law abiding citizens who possess them is nothing more than a thinly veiled excuse to strip away freedom from hard working, tax paying, law abiding citizens.
doc03
(35,364 posts)going to do about it?
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(56,912 posts)Drugs, Race and Common Ground: Reflections on the High Point Intervention
by David Kennedy
Editor's Note: At the 2008 NIJ Conference, David Kennedy, director of the Center for Crime Prevention and Control at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, talked about his work to combat drug markets, especially the High Point Intervention, an innovative program that is now being replicated in at least 25 sites around the country. This article is based on his remarks.
When Chief James Fealy arrived in High Point, N.C., in 2003, he found parts of the city awash in drugs and dealers. But rather than relying on traditional suppression and interdiction approaches to fight the problem, Fealy who had worked narcotics for more than a quarter of a century in the Austin (Texas) Police Department spearheaded a new, potentially transformative strategy.
Its roots were in the now-familiar "focused deterrence" approach, which addresses particular problems in this case drug markets by putting identified offenders on notice that their community wants them to stop, that help is available and that particular criminal actions will bring heightened law enforcement attention. The High Point initiative, however, added the unprecedented and initially terrifying element of truthtelling about racial conflict. The result of these conversations in High Point was twofold: a plan for doing strategic interventions to close drug markets and the beginning of a reconciliation process between law enforcement and the community.
Here is how the High Point Intervention works: A particular drug market is identified; violent dealers are arrested; and nonviolent dealers are brought to a "call-in" where they face a roomful of law enforcement officers, social service providers, community figures, ex-offenders and "influentials" parents, relatives and others with close, important relationships with particular dealers. The drug dealers are told that (1) they are valuable to the community, and (2) the dealing must stop. They are offered social services. They are informed that local law enforcement has worked up cases on them, but that these cases will be "banked" temporarily suspended). Then they are given an ultimatum: If you continue to deal, the banked cases against you will be activated.
This strategy is being replicated in other cities by the Bureau of Justice Assistance through the Drug Market Intervention Initiative.
more at link:
http://www.nij.gov/journals/262/high-point-intervention.htm
doc03
(35,364 posts)failed war on drugs. so to solve a problem with gun crime you go after drugs, how about enacting some sensible gun laws? This is the last post on the subject I find people in the RKBA have one agenda (NRA) and they won't accept any laws on guns or gun ownership period.
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(56,912 posts)problem. Don't hurt your head, now.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)I have no problem with most current laws. After adding more restrictions become "there are no laws" meme five years later? I'm guessing it will. Not accepting any gun laws means repealing current ones.
Then I can only assume that you are cognitively deficient, functionally illiterate or deliberately obtuse. Most people here will have nothing to do with the NRA, and the few members here almost universally have deep disagreements with some of their actions and many of their statements.
If you'd actually pay attention to what people are saying, you'd figure that out.
P.S. No-one here advocated "go after drugs". More reading skills problems?
former-republican
(2,163 posts)thanks
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)trouble.smith
(374 posts)that our elected officials are incapable of addressing i.e. unemployment, urban decay, poverty, racial disparity, high school drop out rates, gang and other organized criminal activity, drug abuse, border insecurity, etc, etc, etc. The issues are too big for our government which is why America is bordering on a failed state. That being the case, the next best solution is to arm the populace and allow them to defend themselves as free men and women living in a free country. Or you can go after the guns but you'll lose that battle and the cost you'll pay for waging the wrong war against the wrong people will be more unemployment, more decay, more disparity, more poverty, more ruin.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)who aren't law abiding. The vast majority of gun owners are responsible citizens who use their firearms responsibly, IE, hunting, shooting sports, self defense, home defense, target shooting, enjoyable day at the range with friends/family.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)glacierbay
(2,477 posts)The driver is law abiding until they get drunk and get behind the wheel of a car.
The pedestrian is a law abiding citizen until they jaywalk.
Care to impart more of you wisdom to us?
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)The trick is to find a way to work that fact in to the law so we can dispense with the ridiculous formality of a trial before stripping citizens of their rights.
doc03
(35,364 posts)There are also people that committed a serious gun crime or even murder that can buy a gun
from an individual with no background check either. If an individual wants to sell a gun he should be able to go to the courthouse or and authorized dealer and have them run a background check on the buyer. I think all guns should be registerd, I own several guns and I have absolutely no problem with that either because I am a law abiding tax paying citizen.
Hangingon
(3,071 posts)Census data puts gun owner at 43 to 55 miooion - based on homes with guns. DOJ says 2010 people incarcerated is about 4.9 million. Not all prisoners are in for crimes involving guns.
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(56,912 posts)luvspeas
(1,883 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts):yawn:
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)Care to explain?
Hangingon
(3,071 posts)glacierbay
(2,477 posts)and I support CC for law abiding citizens.
And I would change Many to Majority.
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(56,912 posts)ThatPoetGuy
(1,747 posts)and that's why I support nuclear proliferation.
Not.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)Care to explain?
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(56,912 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)glacierbay
(2,477 posts)Other than being a snark? Maybe you can explain what it means?
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(56,912 posts)or not
rrneck
(17,671 posts)rDigital
(2,239 posts)petronius
(26,603 posts)of any civil right or freedom. But other than that, I agree that individuals should have the right to feed, protect, and/or amuse themselves however they see fit - and limitations on that should be as narrow as possible to meet a pressing societal need...
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(56,912 posts)Drives home the point even better, too.