The Fallacy of "Criminals Get Guns from Other Criminals"

[mikeb302000]

via The Four Major Ways Criminals Get Guns

First we need to identify the ways in which they currently do come into possession of weapons. We'll eliminate one common fallacy right away, that criminals get guns from other criminals. This may be true as far as it goes, but it doesn't help us in our analysis. We're interested in the original source of guns that are used in crime. If, for example, a gun is stolen during a burglary and passed from criminal to criminal before being used in a murder, that gun came from "Theft," which is one of our main categories.

Cross posted at Mikeb302000

[Tuesday Afternoon]

1. both links go straight to your blog. sorry.

[Cooley Hurd]

2. So?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

3. sorry, I don't traffic his blog. feel free. If the Admin ever see fit to place a link to his blog

on the home page - I will rethink this position - until then, no thanks.

[Cooley Hurd]

4. Really? If that's your criteria...

Your scope will always be limited.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

5. Do you REALLY think I ONLY go to places on the net that are listed on DU's Home Page?

good lord

but, Yeah. Mikey's Blog - You Can Have It.

[Cooley Hurd]

8. Do you own a gun?

That's an important benchmark to establish, especially in this discussion.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

9. do you subscribe to this group?

[Cooley Hurd]

10. I'm sorry. Is that a prerequisite?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

11. That is my answer to your question to me.

[Cooley Hurd]

14. I think anyone, despite gun-ownership or not...

...can post here. However, given your alert, you must feel differently?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

19. alert? not me. I haven't alerted since Januuary.

[Cooley Hurd]

20. I was on the jury...

If YOU didn't send the "I have the vapors" alert, then someone did within a minute of your initial response to the op.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

21. well, it wasn't me. I don't get the vapors.

I give them.

[DonP]

6. He runs a blog for profit

He never posts his opinions on DU and you have to go to his Blog to get any information. Each time somebody does, it's a hit that he gets paid for.

I don't know why Skinner and Earl G. choose to let this guy basically advertise on DU, but it's their sandbox.

He also has about 4 separate personalities he uses for different blogs.

Not using his trick to give him blog hits will not limit my, nor anyone else's world view.

But again, feel free to click away and make "Mike B", Jason, "Odinn" et. al. happy and profitable.

[Cooley Hurd]

7. God forbid anyone make money....

[rrneck]

12. There's nothing wrong with making money

but this guys posts are an obvious come on without contributing to DU. He's feeding off DUs membership for profit, and he's using the most scurrilous content he can think of to do it.

[Cooley Hurd]

13. I've been here a spell...

..and I cannot disparage members who, for whatever reason, cannot pony-up.

[rrneck]

16. I'm not talking about paying for a star.

You pay for a star because you don't want to pay by looking at ads. But everybody pays. Mike should contribute intellectually and not spam the board with canned propoganda for profit.

[Cooley Hurd]

17. They DID contribute with a point of view...

...that is different from yours.

[rrneck]

18. It's spam for profit.

This is a good market for that kind of spam. Pro gun extremists won't get much of a click through rate.

He can have all the opinions he wants, but he's feeding off the site. Its just (amateur) disaster capitalism.

[mikeb302000]

24. "without contributing to DU"

You mean like you do with all your positive contributions to the discussions?

[AtheistCrusader]

27. You aren't even using the term 'Crossposted' correctly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting

You aren't crossposting. You are posting incomplete bait here, to draw traffic to your blog. If you were crossposting, the 'meat' of your point would be in both places.

Why the mods let you get away with this I have no idea.

[rrneck]

31. I post my opinions here

rather than using inflammatory traders to draw traffic. And I don't try to see how many links I can scatter around on a high traffic site.

I have a journal here if you're curious.

[Starboard Tack]

39. How do you make a profit?

I'm not seeing ads on your blog. Am I missing something?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

15. There are ways to torpedo his scam

auto clickers come to mind.

[mikeb302000]

25. "torpodo his scam"

The admin folks must surely approve of that remark, being biased gun nuts themselves who hate dissenting voices.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

32. oh. good lord. face/palm

[aikoaiko]

34. Oh Mike. You've done jumped the shark with extremism...

...epically.

mikeb302000
25. "torpodo his scam"

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The admin folks must surely approve of that remark, being biased gun nuts themselves who hate dissenting voices.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

36. Accusing another DUer of a scam is a personal attack.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

37. What else would you call it?

I have little doubt it was alerted upon already, but if not, feel free to launch the alert "topodo"

[mikeb302000]

23. Don, you're wrong about everything you said. nt

[Starboard Tack]

38. Do you have evidence he runs a blog for profit?

Or evidence of his 4 personalities?
If so, please share with us. I, for one, will not support his participation here if it is profit motivated.

[Starboard Tack]

40. How do you know he gets paid for blog hits?

[mikeb302000]

22. You sound like a crybaby. nt

[Tuesday Afternoon]

30. how you get that I will never understand except, to mark it up to your lack of

reading comprehension skills.

[AtheistCrusader]

26. He could post the material here

so we can discuss it without enriching him personally.

[rl6214]

29. All of the "we" he talks about in his post are his conversations between

He and himself.

[friendly_iconoclast]

35. There are at least four of 'him'- the newest one he calls "Colin Goddard":

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=89250

Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 01:33 AM

mikeb302000 (1,025 posts)
12. You keep calling me Jason

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I told you before I'm not Jason. I'm Colin Goddard.

[rl6214]

28. The only fallacy is that you know what you are talking about.

[Scuba]

33. Pretzel logic. If it's a "fallacy" how can it "be true"? If you're looking for the ...

... original source of guns used in crimes, it's the same as the original source for guns not used in crimes - the manufacturer.