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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 07:26 AM Dec 2012

A New Court Decision Injects Some Sanity Into America's Gun Policy

If insanity is the belief that identical, repeated actions will lead to differing results, then sanity implies a rational consideration of consequences that will likely occur in the real world.

One would be hard pressed to find better examples of the insanity and the sanity in our nation's gun policy than a recent shooting in Florida, and a recent decision by a federal appeals court in New York.

First the insanity. Remember Trayvon Martin, the 17-year-old African American gunned down in February by neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman, with a semiautomatic handgun that the State of Florida had licensed Zimmerman to carry, loaded and concealed?

It was an "Emperor has no clothes" moment, where the horrific damage to public safety done by NRA laws spurred national outrage.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-lowy/court-decisions-inject-sanity_b_2244132.html
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A New Court Decision Injects Some Sanity Into America's Gun Policy (Original Post) SecularMotion Dec 2012 OP
two things I find interesting gejohnston Dec 2012 #1
Details. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #4
Next stop, SCOTUS. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #2
Only law enforcement people are qualified to determine what kind of people should carry weapons slackmaster Dec 2012 #3
I think we know Mr. Lowy's real intent here... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #5
If a RKBA supporter posted a link to an NRA blog Jenoch Dec 2012 #6
S'okay- Lowy gets pretty thoroughly sliced, diced and julienned in the comments. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #7
If I understand this correctly, gejohnston Dec 2012 #8

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
1. two things I find interesting
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:40 AM
Dec 2012

both the cases he mentioned are yet to go to trial and he added a rumor that hasn't been proven.
the second is, the NRA had nothing to do with the case in New York. It wasn't even a second amendment case, it was 14th amendment case. My problem with the New York law is the arbitrary nature good cause. If you are going to restrict concealed carry beyond the standard shall issue, the those limitations should be on an objective criteria stated in the statute. Giving a county sheriff or a police sergeant the authority to make arbitrary decisions has no place in a liberal democracy.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
5. I think we know Mr. Lowy's real intent here...
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 05:26 PM
Dec 2012

"With 100,000 shootings a year, the last thing we need is judges depriving us of our right to enact and enforce the laws Americans want and need to keep guns off our streets and communities."

He doesn't want anyone to interfere with his agenda; elected officials, judges, the Constitution.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
6. If a RKBA supporter posted a link to an NRA blog
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 12:05 AM
Dec 2012

to support their point, the gun grabbers would ridicule that person to no end. If you wish to post something to support your point, at least make it an impartial news source. (Wait, is there such a thing these days on the topic of guns)?

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
7. S'okay- Lowy gets pretty thoroughly sliced, diced and julienned in the comments.
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:22 AM
Dec 2012

And that's an example of of of the reasons the gun control lobby is weak these days-

they can't control the flow of information anymore

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
8. If I understand this correctly,
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:02 AM
Dec 2012

New York doesn't actually have higher standards, or training requirements. It seems that some counties have training requirements, but not all.
http://www.concealandcarryhq.com/index.php/new-york-concealed-carry-laws/
So in other words, Florida and Wyoming have uniform and objective standards. New York does not. Some are defacto shall issue, while NYC only requires you to have very deep pockets. That being the case, what makes New York's concealed carry laws "saner"?

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