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bleever

(20,616 posts)
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 05:26 AM Nov 2022

Well, what do ya know? There's a reason to believe.

The Keith Olbermann group had its genesis in the aftermath of the 2004 election, when a group of DUers deeply disturbed about the blantant irregularities in the 2004 "election" of GW Bush over John Kerry came together in the Election Reform group, noticing KO was the only one in the national media acknowledging that Ohio's results and process were seriously suspect, under SOS Ken Blackwell.

We became a clan whose focus on the election questions became leavened by our increasing appreciation of Keith's approach to the serious topics as well as his sense of humor. We became tremendous friends and colleagues and in addition to having incredible community also worked on serious fronts regarding the opacity of electronic voting at the time.

Now, things have moved to where the scrutiny of elections has brought things to the point we had hoped for but never really expected: rigorously validated vote tabulation, on the precinct and county level. We dreamed of a day when hand-marked paper ballots would be the standard, and felt that as important a cause it was, it would likely never happen.

But then Republicans started crying foul, attributing losses to imagined and unsubstantiable fraud, and demanded hand-counted audits, and unwittingly furthered the agenda of truly verifiable voting. We now have the more secure voting and tabulation process that we insisted was crucial to democracy, even though it felt at the time that we were shouting into the wind.

So, I find once again that I believe in the possibility of an enduring democracy, with a functional electoral system.

And to all the friends, compatriots, and more that I met here, 18 years ago, hello out there, and cheers!



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Well, what do ya know? There's a reason to believe. (Original Post) bleever Nov 2022 OP
Sometimes I just love irony! ananda Nov 2022 #1
Well said, gab13by13 Nov 2022 #2
We have one! True Blue American Nov 2022 #4
And we thought Blackwell was bad. True Blue American Nov 2022 #3
In 2004 I traveled to Cuyahoga County to help GOTV Martin Eden Nov 2022 #5
That's the reason I joined DU! Yorkie Mom Nov 2022 #6
Hi, MelissaB! bleever Nov 2022 #7
YES! Anti-black box voting and paper trails was "our thing" after 2000 Mr.Mystery Nov 2022 #8
If Kerry had won OH, he would have won the election, Mr.Mystery Nov 2022 #9

gab13by13

(21,362 posts)
2. Well said,
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 07:43 AM
Nov 2022

Now if we could get non-partisan commissions to draw up Congressional maps we would have a representative government.

Martin Eden

(12,872 posts)
5. In 2004 I traveled to Cuyahoga County to help GOTV
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 08:27 AM
Nov 2022

Driving home to Chicago I heard Bush declared the winner of another term, and I was so crushed.

Gw Bush belonged in prison for war crimes, not in the White House.

Yorkie Mom

(16,420 posts)
6. That's the reason I joined DU!
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 11:53 AM
Nov 2022

The "Election Reform" group was my home, and it looks like we joined 1 day apart.

formerly MelissaB

Mr.Mystery

(185 posts)
8. YES! Anti-black box voting and paper trails was "our thing" after 2000
Mon Nov 14, 2022, 02:29 AM
Nov 2022

And 2004.

If it weren’t for folks like you, the Republicons would have nothing to recount.

They seem to have forgotten that.

Mr.Mystery

(185 posts)
9. If Kerry had won OH, he would have won the election,
Mon Nov 14, 2022, 02:34 AM
Nov 2022

Even though he didn’t win the popular vote.

I used to point that out to POS Cons on chat rooms / forums, and asked them how much they’d like the Electoral college if Kerry had won.

Their response: “yeah, but he didn’t win.”

Power over principle every time.

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