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Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 02:17 PM Jun 2015

The Divide

The Divide

Not sure if this has been addressed however I would like some opinions. Many of you may recall the Chris Rock stand up when he made the enormous statement and the Civil War between Black People and N****s funny yes true defiantly. The question is how do you address or navigate this issues?

I find myself wanting to put distance between myself and the violent WSHH video’s that popup on mu FB feed, it is embarrassing and just makes us all look bad regardless if we condone this type of behavior.
There are numerous video of ghetto people fighting sometimes just kids but their parents are right there encouraging them, sometimes grown and men and women also being encouraged to brutalize each other for views on WSHH. The man on the metro beating badly for trying to help some teens that had been disrespectful, the girl jumped in a New York MC Donald’s by 6 other girls and no one tried to stop it just filmed it. Yes I understand intervention can be a deaf sentence. They’re plenty more examples but I think I have made my point.

This behavior is distressing, my 1st thought is to distance myself from this madness however I fear that is not the solution. Some people don’t even see it as a problem but it is a problem. We can’t unify if we can’t get along when does this madness stop? My usual answer would be the parents however a pretty good percentage of these fights tend to adults.

How do you address this madness or do we just ignore it and hope it goes away and pray we’re not being judged accordingly?

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The Divide (Original Post) Mr Dixon Jun 2015 OP
Some people, no matter what expectations you have of them, Warpy Jun 2015 #1
Agreed Mr Dixon Jun 2015 #2
Nice to see you here, Mr. Dixon. As for your OP Number23 Jun 2015 #3
IMO Mr Dixon Jun 2015 #4
do you remember when we called each other brother and sister? noiretextatique Jun 2015 #6
Let’s keep an open dialog, we have much to share. Mr Dixon Jun 2015 #7
well-said, brother noiretextatique Jul 2015 #8
SAMPLE Mr Dixon Jun 2015 #5
That's privilege at work. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2015 #9
IMO Mr Dixon Jul 2015 #10
Young people of all color can act a fool. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #11
+1 nt steve2470 Jul 2015 #12
COOL Mr Dixon Jul 2015 #13
Folks reacting to people of color acting badly differently... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #14
Sadly Mr Dixon Jul 2015 #17
I look forward to seeing it in the next./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #19
Question from card-carrying white person here: freshwest Jul 2015 #15
A lot of our perceptions are formed by the media Flatulo Jul 2015 #16
Agreed Mr Dixon Jul 2015 #18
My family is a reflection of this Quayblue Jul 2015 #20
I co-sign all of this JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #21
Agreed Mr Dixon Jul 2015 #22

Warpy

(111,332 posts)
1. Some people, no matter what expectations you have of them,
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 02:34 PM
Jun 2015

are always going to act like no-account, lazy, violent assholes who go out of their way to make sure everybody knows it.

No race owns them, they come in all colors, genders, shapes, sizes, and whatever other divisions one cares to make to sort people out.

As for people recording fights and not helping, the problem is the camera, it distances them from everything around them. An example of this is taking a camera on a trip to a place you've never been before. What you remember afterward when you look at the pictures is taking them, not the site itself. Once I figured that out, I left the camera at home and bought scenic postcards. If only they'd call 911 before they start filming, but they never seem to remember to do that part.

Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
2. Agreed
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 03:01 PM
Jun 2015

Agreed, i did see one person try and help and he was attacked by the people filming it..SMH

Number23

(24,544 posts)
3. Nice to see you here, Mr. Dixon. As for your OP
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 08:00 PM
Jun 2015

I have never felt the need to distance myself from other black people. I know that the proponents of "respectability politics" have always declared there was a war between black people and niggas but I have never felt even the slightest pull to participate in this war which feels like made up BS, if you ask me.

There are tons of HORRENDOUS black parents that think it's totally fun to watch their kids beating the hell out of someone else's kid -- either in real life or on YouTube or wherever. But there are just as many HORRENDOUS parents of other hues that do the same. The main problem is that when our kids or our parents engage in this mess, we get much more hell for it than when white parents do it.

Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
4. IMO
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 08:44 AM
Jun 2015

Agreed however just because other people do it doesn’t make it right nor constructive. Also I agree that it seems as if AA get more airtime for this type of behavior all I want to know is how do we redirect the ship? Being from the hood and escaping I understand where this type of reckless behavior will lead these young people and the prison industrial complex is waiting to fill more beds. I don’t blame the parents because their probably are working so basically these kids and young adults and are raising each other and the outcome is not looking goo IMO.

How do we fix this?

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
6. do you remember when we called each other brother and sister?
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 12:35 AM
Jun 2015

i really think we need a revival of the black power/consciousness movement, and the historical/social education it provided. young people need to understand their place in the struggle and they need to understand WHO they are.

Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
7. Let’s keep an open dialog, we have much to share.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:57 AM
Jun 2015

Agreed and yes I do remember the unity we had and the brother and sista greetings. The unity has faded with each passing generation, the desperation has increase, the incarceration has sky-rocketed the manipulated education plays a role, economics hardships have taking separated the family structure. All these issues are concerns but most are uncontrollable.

What we can control, we are failing to do, parenting is a 24/7 operation yet we fail. Respect is earned and requires mutual understanding. We have to stop rewarding ignorance (see world star hip hop) there has to be consequence for this ignorant behavior not just the youth there some adults that still have not grownup, these consequence need to happen at home, before they happen on the streets which usually end in death by cop. Parents need to be the cops of their kids, teach them how to interact with authority to save their own lives.


Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
9. That's privilege at work.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:49 PM
Jul 2015

Plenty of white people do terrible shit every day, yet I suffer no ill effect because of it. Hell, some deranged white kid shot up an elementary school twelve miles from my hometown. He killed kids, and yet I didn't feel compelled to apologize for his behavior, and no one in their right mind would have expected me to. But black people, for some reason, are so held to account for every misdeed ever committed by other black people that even they sometimes feel like it's their job to distance themselves from people with whom they have never even considered associating.

It isn't my place to advise anyone as to the best way to deal with this, but my personal, admittedly limited opinion is that condemning, apologizing, or otherwise addressing the less savory elements the African American community has to offer gives implicit credence to this absurd expectation, and is therefore unlikely to change any preexisting white perceptions of POC.

At the end of the day, it is my stern belief that black people shouldn't have to distance themselves from other black people they don't even know.

Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
10. IMO
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:23 AM
Jul 2015

Actually you make a great point, and I’m going to assume the black People have been conditioned to try and apologize for other people’s behavior myself included so the onus will be on myself to stop this behavior. On the flip side it seems a bit selfish to pretty much say fuck everybody else and just worry about yourself which I will also attribute to our society conditioning. One of the problems as I see it is that everything in on camera and this IMO entices this behavior good or bad, in a nut shell we have a long way to go.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
11. Young people of all color can act a fool.
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:24 AM
Jul 2015

POC have additional burdens but there are universal laws that if followed, at the least, increase your odds of being successful; stay in school, study hard, don't run afoul of the law, have children after you're married.

If that makes me a small c conservative when it comes to moral rectitude then so be it...


Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
13. COOL
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 12:20 PM
Jul 2015

That generalization seems accurate however the consequences seem to differ by Race and or economic standing which is the point.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
14. Folks reacting to people of color acting badly differently...
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 12:31 PM
Jul 2015

Folks reacting to people of color acting badly differently than reacting to white folks acting badly is a fixture of American life and a not nice one.

Call me a naive dreamer but I look forward to the day when everybody is nice to everybody. I don't expect to see it in this world.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
15. Question from card-carrying white person here:
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 12:58 PM
Jul 2015

Do you think that, if you end up having to discuss or interact with those who see this as a survival method, telling them that there are segments of white people who LOVE seeing them beat each other?

That they get a real kick out of it and think it justifies violence by police toward all black people? And that they cannot win against the firepower of the police, etc., even if they wanted?

If they do, they are the black version of the teabaggers, or the militias, who think a few shots in the dark in a 'guerilla war' aren't going to be met with crushing resistance.

Or how about teling them that some white make money off seeing black people hurt each other in sports, and they are acting like the football team owner with his racist attitude loves to see?

Of course, some of those may still be from a perspective born of privilege and looking down on how people live.

OTOH, they are damaging these kids or each other acting this way, in ways that may come to bite them later. I used to work with a black man those dad encouraged this. He told me that when the man got old and needed help, he could rot in hell. Another black man who as a father did this, and when he got older and lost part of his legs to diabetes and was in a wheelchair, they told him to go to hell. This is not life-affirming behavior, it blunts compassion.

A side I've seen of this is from black parents who believe their kids should spanked and restricted all the time, even to their facial expression, every word, because of the fear of racist attacks. It has no bottom.

I remember talking to an older black woman almost thirty years ago after listening to the 'don't spank' admonition the daycare was talking about to the kids and parents. It's a group think thing, where everyone hears the same thing and agrees.

She pulled me aside and out of hearing and told me in an tone earnest and near paranoia, that what they were saying taking away the right to spank kids was a death sentence, that our kids would be killed by cops.


If you've ever seen the 'Russell Peters - Beating Your Kids' video, you'll see what I am talking about in terms of white privilege, but naturally I have to say 'not all' LOL or you know what will happen.

It takes a lot of harsh treatment to get a child to accept that they can't speak, look around, just be themselves, and I wonder how much of this is a survival thing. Because I've heard it from black mothers for years. And after Zimmermann was released to continue his crazy criminal ways, black mothers I know are even more paranoid.

This may be their way of making their kids tough enough to make it in the world they are forced to live in here. Where I do not see this is from African immigrants who were brought in black majority nations. And one of my favorite people is from Ethiopia, which he pointed out during a conversation had never been a colony.

What black people have borne in America is unique and evil.

BTW, none of this may be of any use discussing such things with those who indulge in it. Just like it is not only pointless, but dangerous, to get into talks with those who are any hue, and my white experience is that some people are best to be avoided. I have also known black people who moved away from where they grew up to escape such yahoo behavior being enacted on their kids, as when they were trying to do well in school to provide for themselves in life, they were targeted and threatened. There is a version of this amongh all the hues of color.

Don't know if that is of any use, but would like to know if any of that is useful, so I won't repeat myself if it isn't.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
16. A lot of our perceptions are formed by the media
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 01:02 PM
Jul 2015

and the 24/7 news cycle, which often depicts PoC in less than flattering circumstances, widely giving the impression that as a group, they are exceptionally lawless and uncivil.

I think the best way to combat this is for non-PoC to become acquainted with minorities. You'll see that they have similar values to the dominant culture; concern for their jobs, their children, etc.

How many whites can honestly say that they have close friends of color?

Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
18. Agreed
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 01:05 PM
Jul 2015

" How many whites can honestly say that they have close friends of color? "


Standing by an answer

Quayblue

(1,045 posts)
20. My family is a reflection of this
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:01 PM
Jul 2015

There are some of us who have multiple degrees and corporate jobs with "normal lives", and then there are some of us who are straight hood, dgaf people.

I can relate to all of it because of my family. And I believe because I grew up in the hood, I don't sweat it and live by example. I drove back to Detroit this past weekend and was around all the differences. all I do is live and let that be the example. People don't change until they are ready. And when they need advice about university or work, or just dealing with bureaucracy, they come to me and I help as much as I can.

and frankly, mf'ers all over this country stay misbehaving, but racism is as American as apple pie, so we are judged and held to standards others aren't. One of the memes I have seen here at DU is, "What is the black community doing to solve these problems?", like they actually give nary a fuck. If they did, they'd be in these communities, actually giving a shit.

Those of us who are successful do care and we probably do more shit for our disadvantaged people than folks realize. it's a duty, and we don't sit around pontificating and bragging, we do it because we know we have to and ee do it, despite the hurt that inevitably comes with assigning ourselves to be on the line. Now if only the rest of America actually cared enough to bring their asses down to the trenches we came from, and do something, instead of fucking talking and pointing fingers from their high horses..whew

ETA: Mr Dixon, I'm just speaking how I feel, no way invalidating your concern. Peace to you.



JustAnotherGen

(31,869 posts)
21. I co-sign all of this
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 04:59 AM
Jul 2015

Within our families - we have "all kinds". So it makes my eyes bleed when I read about the 1% vs the 99%.

Those are convenient numbers - but I think it's actually the 90% vs the 91-98% vs the 99%.

The 91-98 DO get it - at least in the AfAm community - because we have reaches up and down in our own families.


And being held to a higher standard of conduct - oh so true.

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