African American
Related: About this forumCan we discuss the attacks of our members here?
Will this be closed if we discuss the Bernie Sanders supporters who are targeting and silencing the rest of us?
I wasnt even going to mention when they banned me from their group, for being a liberal, basically.
But now after what happened to 1strongBM, I assume my days are numbered here as well as most of you.
Romeo.lima333
(1,127 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)nobody is safe.
I'm not part of this group, and I don't know who might be in on the attack, but whoever it is should be thrown out of here immediately.
Not out of this group, out of DU-- primary bullshit can go too far.
brer cat
(24,578 posts)why 1SBM's post was hidden. He posted it here and not in the Sanders group. If there are Sanders supporters coming in here stirring up sh*#, I would love to have the admins involved. Do you know if anyone has contacted them, randy? Or are we going to get slammed for being "too meta" by asking? Crazy season indeed around these parts.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Between this and what happened to me I am certain my days are numbered here
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)brer cat
(24,578 posts)do you know if there is a way to provide supporting statements while 1SBM is under review? I don't know if that is permitted or would possibly make matters worse if we tried. It just seems horrid to me that he would be in this position after posting HERE. This is a protected group and he is one of the supposedly protected members. He was certainly not alerted on by anyone normally posting here.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)But we have an intruder into the group -
Who posted the very words that broke TOS that got 1strong hidden.
On a positive note - your avatar - I see O'Malley. He's thoughtful and he's kind.
ETA - I'm not sure what his point is here.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=16743
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)brer cat
(24,578 posts)it is worse than I first realized. DU is not going to hold together if this keeps up. What is the point in having groups unless it is a place for members to discuss issues as they relate to them. Otherwise everything would be posted in GD.
This is just way screwed up.
edit to add: Avatar is President Carter.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)The CBS nightly news was this warm cozy thing (I was born in 73) - the Reagan and my dad screaming at the tv every night! I want another President in my lifetime with that "touch".
brer cat
(24,578 posts)I am younger than he is, but I was born in south GA down the road from Plains. I know what the prevailing attitudes were in those days. Miss Lillian raised him right...well, mostly right. He admits that he thought he "wore the pants" in the early years of his marriage. I guess Rosalynn had something to say about that.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I am not interested in these internecine wars and I don't want to rack up hides...The first hide I received in several years was at the hands of a Sanders supporter... Several of his supporters have tried to goad me into a hide.
If I leave DU it will be of my own volition.
Warpy
(111,277 posts)Hillary War I almost destroyed DU in 2008 before GD-P was created. Hillary War II is shaping up to be exactly the same, with personality cultists of all candidates lining up to throw turds at each other in an attempt to find a few that stick.
Count me out. Personality cultists give me the creeps even when the cult is for a candidate I favor, maybe especially so.
It sucks that 1SBM got that hide and his account flagged. I'm delighted that his account has been reinstated, his is a powerful and necessary voice.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)both HRC and Sanders supporters (not all) are abusing the alert system...
In general this is purge season, so staying out of it is a good idea.
brer cat
(24,578 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)fuck
NOT ALLOWED
brer cat
(24,578 posts)continuing to go after 1SBM.
randys1
(16,286 posts)democrats and liberals.
Racists are silencing liberals...etc
Too bad because I like this place, I like what Skinner is trying to do, but the jury system only works if the majority of people here are actual liberals and Democrats, and right now that aint the case
Spazito
(50,365 posts)Thanks for checking, I checked earlier but it was still "flagged for review".
heaven05
(18,124 posts)and you're right on all counts. Can't be too liberal with the 'third wayers' and Bernie is worrying the shit out of me.
randys1
(16,286 posts)That Bernie is worrying the shit out of you.
Then said "real" liberal would take that concern to the Bernie camp and tell them about this problem.
Then the Bernie I believe I know will address it, and how said POC reacts is up to them, but at least that is how actual liberals would handle this.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)everything else to them is superfluous. Racism is not important just jobs, racism is not important just jobs, that's going to take care of everything....right...
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Sunday talking head appearance. Said he did not address racism, only economics, when given a chance to address racism. I did not comment at the time, but from what I could hear, no, he did not. (Did not address racism, I mean.)
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)the board screaming that black people and women who wanted BS to address their issues were "manufacturing outrage" I just lost all interest in every last person that posts in that forum.
When these same folks decided that Bernie was "solid" on race issues because he "marched with MLK" and "marched in Selma" I laughed my ass off. That was it for me. Done.
That statement was the impetus behind my OP in this forum talking about how the tactics of the Sanders supporters were beyond stupid and counterproductive. So I wrote them off, but you didn't. You tried -- hard as HELL, I might add -- to find common ground with these people and still couldn't. Fucking says it all, if you ask me.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)That comment was. And ridiculous because it's fucking counter productive considering how many out there on the MSM are talking about Sanders lack of outreach.
Number23
(24,544 posts)"people of color." It's unreal what goes on around here.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Spazito
(50,365 posts)you are not one of the ones where I use 'supporters' in my posts, imo. The scare quotes indicate I am cynical about their claim to be supporters.
randys1
(16,286 posts)still_one
(92,219 posts)inflammatory rhetoric that has been part of the GD forum, is mostly gone now, and we are left with progressive minded folks who do not have to deal with political sniping
In fact what is sad is a lot of the racist issues that have reared their ugly head in issues affecting the country get lost with the political sparing that was going on in the general discussion forum. Hopefully, now this issues can be fully discussed
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)That's complete baloney.
What happened was that one of the hosts in BSG posted about McCaskill's attack on Sanders. The link was to a clip that had a caption (one not written by the DUer) that referred to McCaskill as a "Democrat Senator". You pointed out that the misuse of "Democrat" for "Democratic" is a right-wing tactic (I agree) and that it should be called out when it happens (again I agree), and you opined that this was one such instance (on that I disagree, for reasons I stated here, and others in the thread disagreed as well).
You ticked people off by being extremely tendentious over what most people saw as a minor point compared to the substance of the McCaskill hatchet job. You posted eight or nine times about "Democrat" versus "Democratic". The host warned you, "If you go off on anyone in this group because you don't like what they say or how they say it (y)ou will be blocked." You responded, "BLOCK ME NOW, I am done" and the host obliged.
My take: The misuse of "Democrat" is worth noting; this instance wasn't a misuse; even if it had been a misuse, you were unnecessarily abrasive about the point; the host nevertheless overreacted by blocking you; and you are now defaming the Bernie Sanders Group by falsely alleging that you were blocked for being a liberal (or even "for being a liberal, basically" -- even with the qualifier "basically" it's just not accurate).
randys1
(16,286 posts)that it seems to me the AfAm contingent at DU is inconvenient to Bernie supporters, I should have said some, since I am one.
Would I still have been hidden if I had said some, instead of not saying some? Yes, I am certain of it.
This site belongs to the Bernie supporters that I want nothing to do with...but then I am a liberal, not a white libertarian who is focused almost entirely on my pocketbook.
and
Yes, blocked for being a VIGILANT fucking liberal.
Nobody is confused about what is happening here at DU, trust me, the question is how do we stop this insanity
kath
(10,565 posts)Their pocketbooks"??
randys1
(16,286 posts)many here
kath
(10,565 posts)( except for liberal you) are "white libertarians focused almost entirely on their pocketbooks", which is patently untrue and a ridiculous assertion.
Libertarians love Sanders??? Really????
randys1
(16,286 posts)site.
Which is a good thing.
The vast majority are open minded people who understand just how dangerous the right is.
kath
(10,565 posts)really?
gollygee
(22,336 posts)by people who say that if Clinton is nominated, they won't vote? Those people don't understand how dangerous it could be if the Republican party stacks the Supreme Court. We need the presidency. I hope Sanders gets the nomination, but anyone who won't vote for Clinton if she gets it does not understand.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)give a shit about the supreme court because we'll all be in the poor house.
So, yep- there are quite a few here. And they tend to stalk too.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)JI7
(89,252 posts)but many of those supporting him on here are a real turnoff. to be fair i don't blame sanders himself as many of these people were behaving the same way before he got into the race.
these people just can't stand that people and especially minorities might have a different opinion or view of things.
i supported Obama when most minorities and lgbt were supporting hillary so i have been through this and never treated others as they do .
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)No way would I ever choose or reject a candidate based on the deportment of his/her anonymous supporters (or those claiming to be supporters) on DU or anywhere else. These primary wars are childish and not worth much.
JI7
(89,252 posts)and those could be easily swayed by things like this . the types who wouldn't really care who ends up winning.
randys1
(16,286 posts)the excuse will be then.
randys1
(16,286 posts)so this group no longer has any real meaning i guess, if they can come in here and silence us
what is the point?
Behind the Aegis
(53,961 posts)Please don't take this as an admonishment, but I have seen similar remarks, and I figured I would use your post to correct some things. Given recent events, I really am not doing this out of malice or to kick you when your down.
First, there are no "mods". Not here, not anywhere at DU. There are admins (3), there are MIRT (30), and there are hosts (I have no frikken clue how many). The admins are the big bosses and they make most of the decisions about the functioning of the board, including updates and the like. The MIRT is responsible for taking out the trash, i.e. new users who are here to disrupt, and on very rare occasions, long-time disruptors, but that is usually a function of the admins. There are two types of "hosts", the Main forum hosts (30) who monitor the main forums and lock threads when they violate a group's SOP. That's all they can do. I don't think they can block posters from the main groups, but I could be mistaken. Then there are the hosts of the various groups, about all we can do is remind people of the rules of our group, and block people we feel are disruptive to the group, and lock threads which violate our group's SOP. We have no say over hiding or un-hiding posts, even the admins can't do that, so I am told. Some hosts are quick to act in various groups, while others are more collaborative.
Second, the hosts have no power over alerts, except the ones they make and the ones which deal with SOP issues for the group, so only OPs are in our purview.
Third, not all groups are "safe spaces", but more than a few are. Sadly, many at DU aren't aware of the ones that are and are not. Also, some seem to think 'safe space' means they can say whatever they like, and that simply isn't true. All members must follow the rules of DU, even in our safe spaces. That said, there are flexibilities in the groups which don't exist/exists in other groups. You can start a Meta-type thread in almost all sub-groups and the hosts will not lock them. You can't do that in the main forums. There are certain topics not allowed in the main groups, which the smaller groups do allow, depending on the hosts.
Finally, no group, safe space or not, is immune from any DU'er, even a blocked one can still read and alert on a thread/post in a group from which s/he has been blocked. There are those who troll groups, especially some safe space groups and look for reasons to alert.
Personally, I think we are long past due for a review of the jury system, but I don't see one coming anytime soon. People either don't take the jury seriously, or use it as a way to settle vendettas. I believe most, however, are done in good faith, but the aforementioned really create the problems. Also, some of the problems lie with the actual alerts, which can be the fault of the alerter or those reading it. The other part of the problem is people not understanding the role of the jury. I have seen off-topic posts hidden, which isn't the role of a jury, it is a SOP violation. Posters still don't understand the alert system and misuse it.
Someone in another post summed it up...the jury system is a crapshoot. That's pretty much it.
kath
(10,565 posts)Really true that meta-threads are allowed in groups? I was looking for details the other day, and wasn't able to find it mentioned in any of the rules here. I had thought that meta was discouraged everywhere, but not sure. Thanks.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)The Group Hosts would need clearly defined rules around that. I never got involved in META.
So I need clear definitions.
Understand - we do encounter what I call Polite Bigots at DU- and it's through their words here - that we encounter that.
I think AA is a great place to discuss that.
Most polite bigots get enraged when you point it out. So there's no point in writing "excuse me but don't say that in IRL."
They are just going to fly off the handle and we get two alerts and then flagged for review.
If you have sting feelings on this - you should go to ATA and ask the questions.
And this original op - I stand by. I will not lock it. I won't. randy posts back here quite a bit - if he needs to let off steam - fine by me.
One thing I wish - there are many peoplewho don't like this group or it's members. They can trash the whole thing, all of us - poof into thin air.
Behind the Aegis
(53,961 posts)I will point out "meta" does not violate DU rules, it does violate the SOP rules of the main forums. The rules of DU and the additional SOP rules are different things.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Can someone school me on what happened?
randys1
(16,286 posts)says Bernie is not addressing the needs of the AfAm, watch the fuck out.
That is basically what this is all about, but you are gonna need to read and look because in all seriousness, I cant say more, i got a hide the other day for saying something about this, so I cant anymore.
Oh, and my hide happened HERE in THIS group, and my hide HERE Wasnt the only one
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)and basically trying to bait me into arguments. It's fucking creepy.
randys1
(16,286 posts)how Bernie using Hillary's name might sway Hillary voters, the person was having NONE of that.
My very good idea, possibly, dismissed outright simply because I was saying something reasonably nice about Hillary, that Bernie and her agree on some stuff.
The vibe here is horrible
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)debates. But they hate you if you won't hate her along with them. It's nasty.
LOL, makes me wonder who is going to go door to door for Bernie, not these nasty people, obviously. Can't imagine them having enough self control to handle voters questions, or any outreach really. Not with all the "look it up" bullshit. Yikes.
Have they done this before?
randys1
(16,286 posts)The way you do it is by NOT talking down the opponent but talking up your candidate.
There is a great deal of immaturity on some of these people's part, as if this is their first campaign, or something like that.
The big picture escapes them completely, some of them, I mean, not all of them.
But even what I just said above, is contributing to the problem.
I dont think I will survive here if I engage the aggressive folks anymore, I have already been blocked from the Bernie group for insisting they not use democRAT, all they had to do was agree that it was wrong to do but they wanted to argue with me instead.
So the only way I will survive here is to stay completely away from them.
I know what the goal is, even if they dont.
I hope they do, though.
For instance what happens to all this support, money, energy, if Bernie does not win the nom?
and i hope he does...but what if he doesnt win?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)You can't have a quick temper or condescend to voters when you're canvassing.
And there seems to be a very small and vocal contingent that wants to encourage bailing on the party completely if they don't get what they want.
Interestingly enough, they're angry we want things too. Selfish and narrow minded POV.
randys1
(16,286 posts)It is so childish.
If they tell me they will vote Dem no matter what, then we dont have an issue.
But I am tired of asking them that, they want to fucking argue constantly
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)If only for the SCOTUS, I'd vote for Hillary.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)So happy - and honored!- to see you here!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Coolest Ranger
(2,034 posts)I been gone for a while but what is with stalking people. This place is starting to terrify me, for real
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)some very ... passionate ... supporters will brook no dissent ... even when the dissent isn't dissent.
DU:GD posters have been hostile to this group for years; but, rarely has that hostility come into the Group ... But now, certain members of specific Groups feel entitled to come in our front door, take a seat on the couch, change the channel on the TV, and demand that we make them a damn sandwich!
DU is going to suck for a while and I suspect it'll extend beyond the primaries ... I'm thinking the election is just the excuse to do/express their true feelings ... much like the treatment of President Obama is "policy-based."