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randys1

(16,286 posts)
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 05:47 PM Jun 2015

Can we discuss the attacks of our members here?

Will this be closed if we discuss the Bernie Sanders supporters who are targeting and silencing the rest of us?

I wasnt even going to mention when they banned me from their group, for being a liberal, basically.

But now after what happened to 1strongBM, I assume my days are numbered here as well as most of you.

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Can we discuss the attacks of our members here? (Original Post) randys1 Jun 2015 OP
it's silly season it'll pass with the primaries Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #1
That's kinda meta, but if they can put 1strongBM up for review... TreasonousBastard Jun 2015 #2
I am totally confused brer cat Jun 2015 #3
Dont know who does that, or how. Someone should randys1 Jun 2015 #4
Yep - another one is stirring the pot JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #5
I dont understand what is going on anymore...i really dont randys1 Jun 2015 #7
I will not lock this thread JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #6
Since you are one of the hosts here, brer cat Jun 2015 #8
I don't know JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #9
I don't think that's O'Malley in the avatar,my friend , that's Jimmy Carter. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #11
Ahhhh grasshopper - I see him just the same JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #13
omg. I hadn't seen that thread... brer cat Jun 2015 #12
I know! Re JC JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #16
He's a good man. brer cat Jun 2015 #20
Oh, thanks for the link, he didn't show up. I see some BS supporters trying to sway other groups freshwest Jul 2015 #32
I trashed DU Primaries for two reasons DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #10
I'm grateful it exists. Warpy Jun 2015 #29
I too am glad it exists so I can post in GD in peace./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #30
Just a note nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #48
1SBM's account is active now. brer cat Jun 2015 #14
AGainst him, of course. A Black man who says he isnt sure about Bernie, on DU randys1 Jun 2015 #15
That is what I meant... brer cat Jun 2015 #18
Yes, I know...I was just reiterating...DU is breaking down, Bernie supporters are silencing randys1 Jun 2015 #19
Awesome news! Spazito Jun 2015 #17
I did heaven05 Jun 2015 #21
See now a Bernie supporter, a liberal, would ask a POC what they mean by that... randys1 Jun 2015 #22
It just economics with them heaven05 Jun 2015 #23
I remember a discussion after Bernie's SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #24
That shit is frustrating. bravenak Jun 2015 #26
And you actually took the trouble of trying to engage them. When I saw them running around Number23 Jun 2015 #31
Yep- I saw a "he marched in Selma what else do they want" and no one seemed to notice how hostile bettyellen Jul 2015 #40
And that comment was APPLAUDED. Including by people who love to remind everyone that they are Number23 Jul 2015 #49
Was it? Sanders would be disgusted with that kind of support. bettyellen Jul 2015 #50
I think you are a REAL supporter Senator Sanders would be proud to acknowledge... Spazito Jun 2015 #25
Thank you randys1 Jun 2015 #28
That is why I appreciate that the admins started General Discussion - Primaries, so a lot of the still_one Jun 2015 #27
You were NOT blocked from the Bernie Sanders Group for being a liberal. Jim Lane Jul 2015 #33
A liberal goes out of their way to make these points, I have just had a hide for saying randys1 Jul 2015 #37
So Bernie supporters are not liberals, they are "white libertarians ...focused almost entirely on kath Jul 2015 #43
Some, absolutely, not all since I am a Bernie supporter and probably was long before randys1 Jul 2015 #44
Well, your post certainly implied that you are a RARE liberal among Bernie supporters, that most kath Jul 2015 #45
NO, it didnt. THe VAST majority of Bernie supporters are not like many I encounter on this randys1 Jul 2015 #46
And by extension, those at DU DON'T understand just how dangerous the right is?? kath Jul 2015 #47
Have you read posts gollygee Jul 2015 #53
I have seen loads of posts saying Clinton is the same as any Republican and they don't bettyellen Jul 2015 #56
I've seen those posts, too, bettyellen. greatauntoftriplets Jul 2015 #57
and have you seen the many posts denying they exist? LOL! bettyellen Jul 2015 #62
Yes. greatauntoftriplets Jul 2015 #63
^^^^ TRUTH! ^^^^ Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #61
i like SAnders the best of those running JI7 Jul 2015 #34
People go off the deep end, it's just what happens. Flying Squirrel Jul 2015 #35
not everyone is a strong supporter JI7 Jul 2015 #36
Yes, we have a serious problem here, after they run off all the minorities, I wonder what randys1 Jul 2015 #38
BTW mods, AfAm group, I was hidden for something i said IN HERE randys1 Jul 2015 #39
A few notes... Behind the Aegis Jul 2015 #41
" All members must follow the rules of DU, even in our safe spaces". Thanks for this. Also, is it kath Jul 2015 #42
That's a question for ATA JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #51
One of the hosts for this group has made herself clear. Behind the Aegis Jul 2015 #52
Here. Skinner speaks. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #73
Oh boy! I leave for a few days, and... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #54
Where to begin. What it comes down to is if an AfAm or AfAm supporter like myself randys1 Jul 2015 #55
Lots of stalking going on. Have notice people are replying to things I said weeks ago- bettyellen Jul 2015 #58
Most AfAm are gone now or leaving. I just tried to make nice with a Bernie supporter about randys1 Jul 2015 #59
Yeah, I keep being called a Hillarybot even though I will not decide who to support until after the bettyellen Jul 2015 #60
that is a big one...Talking to people is a tricky proposition, when trying to get their vote. randys1 Jul 2015 #65
yep, much education on how to advocate is needed.... bettyellen Jul 2015 #67
Excellent point, if they dont get it all, they are out, like with Obama. randys1 Jul 2015 #68
What is Bernie doesn't win? Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #74
I suspect we know what their assignment will be ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #69
You just gave me the biggest smile, SBM!!! bettyellen Jul 2015 #70
Thanks. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #71
What has been going on here? Coolest Ranger Jul 2015 #64
Apparently ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #66
I'm out of mayo. Good to see your pithy prose. freshwest Jul 2015 #72

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. That's kinda meta, but if they can put 1strongBM up for review...
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 05:55 PM
Jun 2015

nobody is safe.

I'm not part of this group, and I don't know who might be in on the attack, but whoever it is should be thrown out of here immediately.

Not out of this group, out of DU-- primary bullshit can go too far.

brer cat

(24,578 posts)
3. I am totally confused
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 06:04 PM
Jun 2015

why 1SBM's post was hidden. He posted it here and not in the Sanders group. If there are Sanders supporters coming in here stirring up sh*#, I would love to have the admins involved. Do you know if anyone has contacted them, randy? Or are we going to get slammed for being "too meta" by asking? Crazy season indeed around these parts.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
4. Dont know who does that, or how. Someone should
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 06:06 PM
Jun 2015

Between this and what happened to me I am certain my days are numbered here



brer cat

(24,578 posts)
8. Since you are one of the hosts here,
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 06:21 PM
Jun 2015

do you know if there is a way to provide supporting statements while 1SBM is under review? I don't know if that is permitted or would possibly make matters worse if we tried. It just seems horrid to me that he would be in this position after posting HERE. This is a protected group and he is one of the supposedly protected members. He was certainly not alerted on by anyone normally posting here.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
9. I don't know
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 06:27 PM
Jun 2015

But we have an intruder into the group -

Who posted the very words that broke TOS that got 1strong hidden.

On a positive note - your avatar - I see O'Malley. He's thoughtful and he's kind.

ETA - I'm not sure what his point is here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=16743

brer cat

(24,578 posts)
12. omg. I hadn't seen that thread...
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 06:50 PM
Jun 2015

it is worse than I first realized. DU is not going to hold together if this keeps up. What is the point in having groups unless it is a place for members to discuss issues as they relate to them. Otherwise everything would be posted in GD.

This is just way screwed up.

edit to add: Avatar is President Carter.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
16. I know! Re JC
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 07:06 PM
Jun 2015

The CBS nightly news was this warm cozy thing (I was born in 73) - the Reagan and my dad screaming at the tv every night! I want another President in my lifetime with that "touch".

brer cat

(24,578 posts)
20. He's a good man.
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 07:14 PM
Jun 2015

I am younger than he is, but I was born in south GA down the road from Plains. I know what the prevailing attitudes were in those days. Miss Lillian raised him right...well, mostly right. He admits that he thought he "wore the pants" in the early years of his marriage. I guess Rosalynn had something to say about that.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
32. Oh, thanks for the link, he didn't show up. I see some BS supporters trying to sway other groups
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 12:17 AM
Jul 2015
to leave their group's purpose or candidate and then walk off in a huff if they don't convert. I don't know how many post and if not converted, say nothing, just alert. The whole thing is just creepy. As far as the poster there, I once thought he was cool, then saw something, but don't recall what, but he made my 'Bucket List.' Thanks, Obama!

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
10. I trashed DU Primaries for two reasons
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 06:43 PM
Jun 2015

I am not interested in these internecine wars and I don't want to rack up hides...The first hide I received in several years was at the hands of a Sanders supporter... Several of his supporters have tried to goad me into a hide.

If I leave DU it will be of my own volition.

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
29. I'm grateful it exists.
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 08:45 PM
Jun 2015

Hillary War I almost destroyed DU in 2008 before GD-P was created. Hillary War II is shaping up to be exactly the same, with personality cultists of all candidates lining up to throw turds at each other in an attempt to find a few that stick.

Count me out. Personality cultists give me the creeps even when the cult is for a candidate I favor, maybe especially so.

It sucks that 1SBM got that hide and his account flagged. I'm delighted that his account has been reinstated, his is a powerful and necessary voice.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
48. Just a note
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 04:41 PM
Jul 2015

both HRC and Sanders supporters (not all) are abusing the alert system...

In general this is purge season, so staying out of it is a good idea.


randys1

(16,286 posts)
19. Yes, I know...I was just reiterating...DU is breaking down, Bernie supporters are silencing
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 07:09 PM
Jun 2015

democrats and liberals.

Racists are silencing liberals...etc

Too bad because I like this place, I like what Skinner is trying to do, but the jury system only works if the majority of people here are actual liberals and Democrats, and right now that aint the case

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
21. I did
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 07:40 PM
Jun 2015

and you're right on all counts. Can't be too liberal with the 'third wayers' and Bernie is worrying the shit out of me.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
22. See now a Bernie supporter, a liberal, would ask a POC what they mean by that...
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 07:43 PM
Jun 2015

That Bernie is worrying the shit out of you.

Then said "real" liberal would take that concern to the Bernie camp and tell them about this problem.

Then the Bernie I believe I know will address it, and how said POC reacts is up to them, but at least that is how actual liberals would handle this.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
23. It just economics with them
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 07:48 PM
Jun 2015

everything else to them is superfluous. Racism is not important just jobs, racism is not important just jobs, that's going to take care of everything....right...

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
24. I remember a discussion after Bernie's
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 08:13 PM
Jun 2015

Sunday talking head appearance. Said he did not address racism, only economics, when given a chance to address racism. I did not comment at the time, but from what I could hear, no, he did not. (Did not address racism, I mean.)

Number23

(24,544 posts)
31. And you actually took the trouble of trying to engage them. When I saw them running around
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 10:33 PM
Jun 2015

the board screaming that black people and women who wanted BS to address their issues were "manufacturing outrage" I just lost all interest in every last person that posts in that forum.

When these same folks decided that Bernie was "solid" on race issues because he "marched with MLK" and "marched in Selma" I laughed my ass off. That was it for me. Done.

That statement was the impetus behind my OP in this forum talking about how the tactics of the Sanders supporters were beyond stupid and counterproductive. So I wrote them off, but you didn't. You tried -- hard as HELL, I might add -- to find common ground with these people and still couldn't. Fucking says it all, if you ask me.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
40. Yep- I saw a "he marched in Selma what else do they want" and no one seemed to notice how hostile
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 01:37 PM
Jul 2015

That comment was. And ridiculous because it's fucking counter productive considering how many out there on the MSM are talking about Sanders lack of outreach.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
49. And that comment was APPLAUDED. Including by people who love to remind everyone that they are
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 05:04 PM
Jul 2015

"people of color." It's unreal what goes on around here.

Spazito

(50,365 posts)
25. I think you are a REAL supporter Senator Sanders would be proud to acknowledge...
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 08:21 PM
Jun 2015

you are not one of the ones where I use 'supporters' in my posts, imo. The scare quotes indicate I am cynical about their claim to be supporters.



still_one

(92,219 posts)
27. That is why I appreciate that the admins started General Discussion - Primaries, so a lot of the
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 08:28 PM
Jun 2015

inflammatory rhetoric that has been part of the GD forum, is mostly gone now, and we are left with progressive minded folks who do not have to deal with political sniping

In fact what is sad is a lot of the racist issues that have reared their ugly head in issues affecting the country get lost with the political sparing that was going on in the general discussion forum. Hopefully, now this issues can be fully discussed



 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
33. You were NOT blocked from the Bernie Sanders Group for being a liberal.
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 01:27 AM
Jul 2015

That's complete baloney.

What happened was that one of the hosts in BSG posted about McCaskill's attack on Sanders. The link was to a clip that had a caption (one not written by the DUer) that referred to McCaskill as a "Democrat Senator". You pointed out that the misuse of "Democrat" for "Democratic" is a right-wing tactic (I agree) and that it should be called out when it happens (again I agree), and you opined that this was one such instance (on that I disagree, for reasons I stated here, and others in the thread disagreed as well).

You ticked people off by being extremely tendentious over what most people saw as a minor point compared to the substance of the McCaskill hatchet job. You posted eight or nine times about "Democrat" versus "Democratic". The host warned you, "If you go off on anyone in this group because you don't like what they say or how they say it (y)ou will be blocked." You responded, "BLOCK ME NOW, I am done" and the host obliged.

My take: The misuse of "Democrat" is worth noting; this instance wasn't a misuse; even if it had been a misuse, you were unnecessarily abrasive about the point; the host nevertheless overreacted by blocking you; and you are now defaming the Bernie Sanders Group by falsely alleging that you were blocked for being a liberal (or even "for being a liberal, basically" -- even with the qualifier "basically" it's just not accurate).

randys1

(16,286 posts)
37. A liberal goes out of their way to make these points, I have just had a hide for saying
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 11:25 AM
Jul 2015

that it seems to me the AfAm contingent at DU is inconvenient to Bernie supporters, I should have said some, since I am one.
Would I still have been hidden if I had said some, instead of not saying some? Yes, I am certain of it.

This site belongs to the Bernie supporters that I want nothing to do with...but then I am a liberal, not a white libertarian who is focused almost entirely on my pocketbook.


and



Yes, blocked for being a VIGILANT fucking liberal.

Nobody is confused about what is happening here at DU, trust me, the question is how do we stop this insanity

kath

(10,565 posts)
43. So Bernie supporters are not liberals, they are "white libertarians ...focused almost entirely on
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 03:43 PM
Jul 2015

Their pocketbooks"??

kath

(10,565 posts)
45. Well, your post certainly implied that you are a RARE liberal among Bernie supporters, that most
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 04:21 PM
Jul 2015

( except for liberal you) are "white libertarians focused almost entirely on their pocketbooks", which is patently untrue and a ridiculous assertion.

Libertarians love Sanders??? Really????

randys1

(16,286 posts)
46. NO, it didnt. THe VAST majority of Bernie supporters are not like many I encounter on this
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 04:22 PM
Jul 2015

site.

Which is a good thing.

The vast majority are open minded people who understand just how dangerous the right is.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
53. Have you read posts
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 10:55 PM
Jul 2015

by people who say that if Clinton is nominated, they won't vote? Those people don't understand how dangerous it could be if the Republican party stacks the Supreme Court. We need the presidency. I hope Sanders gets the nomination, but anyone who won't vote for Clinton if she gets it does not understand.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
56. I have seen loads of posts saying Clinton is the same as any Republican and they don't
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 03:54 PM
Jul 2015

give a shit about the supreme court because we'll all be in the poor house.
So, yep- there are quite a few here. And they tend to stalk too.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
34. i like SAnders the best of those running
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 02:07 AM
Jul 2015

but many of those supporting him on here are a real turnoff. to be fair i don't blame sanders himself as many of these people were behaving the same way before he got into the race.

these people just can't stand that people and especially minorities might have a different opinion or view of things.

i supported Obama when most minorities and lgbt were supporting hillary so i have been through this and never treated others as they do .

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
35. People go off the deep end, it's just what happens.
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 04:42 AM
Jul 2015

No way would I ever choose or reject a candidate based on the deportment of his/her anonymous supporters (or those claiming to be supporters) on DU or anywhere else. These primary wars are childish and not worth much.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
36. not everyone is a strong supporter
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 04:43 AM
Jul 2015

and those could be easily swayed by things like this . the types who wouldn't really care who ends up winning.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
38. Yes, we have a serious problem here, after they run off all the minorities, I wonder what
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 11:28 AM
Jul 2015

the excuse will be then.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
39. BTW mods, AfAm group, I was hidden for something i said IN HERE
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 11:29 AM
Jul 2015

so this group no longer has any real meaning i guess, if they can come in here and silence us

what is the point?

Behind the Aegis

(53,961 posts)
41. A few notes...
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 02:01 PM
Jul 2015

Please don't take this as an admonishment, but I have seen similar remarks, and I figured I would use your post to correct some things. Given recent events, I really am not doing this out of malice or to kick you when your down.

First, there are no "mods". Not here, not anywhere at DU. There are admins (3), there are MIRT (30), and there are hosts (I have no frikken clue how many). The admins are the big bosses and they make most of the decisions about the functioning of the board, including updates and the like. The MIRT is responsible for taking out the trash, i.e. new users who are here to disrupt, and on very rare occasions, long-time disruptors, but that is usually a function of the admins. There are two types of "hosts", the Main forum hosts (30) who monitor the main forums and lock threads when they violate a group's SOP. That's all they can do. I don't think they can block posters from the main groups, but I could be mistaken. Then there are the hosts of the various groups, about all we can do is remind people of the rules of our group, and block people we feel are disruptive to the group, and lock threads which violate our group's SOP. We have no say over hiding or un-hiding posts, even the admins can't do that, so I am told. Some hosts are quick to act in various groups, while others are more collaborative.

Second, the hosts have no power over alerts, except the ones they make and the ones which deal with SOP issues for the group, so only OPs are in our purview.

Third, not all groups are "safe spaces", but more than a few are. Sadly, many at DU aren't aware of the ones that are and are not. Also, some seem to think 'safe space' means they can say whatever they like, and that simply isn't true. All members must follow the rules of DU, even in our safe spaces. That said, there are flexibilities in the groups which don't exist/exists in other groups. You can start a Meta-type thread in almost all sub-groups and the hosts will not lock them. You can't do that in the main forums. There are certain topics not allowed in the main groups, which the smaller groups do allow, depending on the hosts.

Finally, no group, safe space or not, is immune from any DU'er, even a blocked one can still read and alert on a thread/post in a group from which s/he has been blocked. There are those who troll groups, especially some safe space groups and look for reasons to alert.

Personally, I think we are long past due for a review of the jury system, but I don't see one coming anytime soon. People either don't take the jury seriously, or use it as a way to settle vendettas. I believe most, however, are done in good faith, but the aforementioned really create the problems. Also, some of the problems lie with the actual alerts, which can be the fault of the alerter or those reading it. The other part of the problem is people not understanding the role of the jury. I have seen off-topic posts hidden, which isn't the role of a jury, it is a SOP violation. Posters still don't understand the alert system and misuse it.

Someone in another post summed it up...the jury system is a crapshoot. That's pretty much it.

kath

(10,565 posts)
42. " All members must follow the rules of DU, even in our safe spaces". Thanks for this. Also, is it
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 03:40 PM
Jul 2015

Really true that meta-threads are allowed in groups? I was looking for details the other day, and wasn't able to find it mentioned in any of the rules here. I had thought that meta was discouraged everywhere, but not sure. Thanks.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
51. That's a question for ATA
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 08:10 PM
Jul 2015

The Group Hosts would need clearly defined rules around that. I never got involved in META.

So I need clear definitions.

Understand - we do encounter what I call Polite Bigots at DU- and it's through their words here - that we encounter that.

I think AA is a great place to discuss that.

Most polite bigots get enraged when you point it out. So there's no point in writing "excuse me but don't say that in IRL."

They are just going to fly off the handle and we get two alerts and then flagged for review.

If you have sting feelings on this - you should go to ATA and ask the questions.

And this original op - I stand by. I will not lock it. I won't. randy posts back here quite a bit - if he needs to let off steam - fine by me.

One thing I wish - there are many peoplewho don't like this group or it's members. They can trash the whole thing, all of us - poof into thin air.

Behind the Aegis

(53,961 posts)
52. One of the hosts for this group has made herself clear.
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 09:19 PM
Jul 2015

I will point out "meta" does not violate DU rules, it does violate the SOP rules of the main forums. The rules of DU and the additional SOP rules are different things.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
55. Where to begin. What it comes down to is if an AfAm or AfAm supporter like myself
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:01 PM
Jul 2015

says Bernie is not addressing the needs of the AfAm, watch the fuck out.

That is basically what this is all about, but you are gonna need to read and look because in all seriousness, I cant say more, i got a hide the other day for saying something about this, so I cant anymore.

Oh, and my hide happened HERE in THIS group, and my hide HERE Wasnt the only one

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
58. Lots of stalking going on. Have notice people are replying to things I said weeks ago-
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:03 PM
Jul 2015

and basically trying to bait me into arguments. It's fucking creepy.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
59. Most AfAm are gone now or leaving. I just tried to make nice with a Bernie supporter about
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:06 PM
Jul 2015

how Bernie using Hillary's name might sway Hillary voters, the person was having NONE of that.

My very good idea, possibly, dismissed outright simply because I was saying something reasonably nice about Hillary, that Bernie and her agree on some stuff.

The vibe here is horrible

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
60. Yeah, I keep being called a Hillarybot even though I will not decide who to support until after the
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:11 PM
Jul 2015

debates. But they hate you if you won't hate her along with them. It's nasty.
LOL, makes me wonder who is going to go door to door for Bernie, not these nasty people, obviously. Can't imagine them having enough self control to handle voters questions, or any outreach really. Not with all the "look it up" bullshit. Yikes.
Have they done this before?

randys1

(16,286 posts)
65. that is a big one...Talking to people is a tricky proposition, when trying to get their vote.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 11:00 AM
Jul 2015

The way you do it is by NOT talking down the opponent but talking up your candidate.

There is a great deal of immaturity on some of these people's part, as if this is their first campaign, or something like that.

The big picture escapes them completely, some of them, I mean, not all of them.

But even what I just said above, is contributing to the problem.

I dont think I will survive here if I engage the aggressive folks anymore, I have already been blocked from the Bernie group for insisting they not use democRAT, all they had to do was agree that it was wrong to do but they wanted to argue with me instead.


So the only way I will survive here is to stay completely away from them.

I know what the goal is, even if they dont.

I hope they do, though.

For instance what happens to all this support, money, energy, if Bernie does not win the nom?

and i hope he does...but what if he doesnt win?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
67. yep, much education on how to advocate is needed....
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 11:29 AM
Jul 2015

You can't have a quick temper or condescend to voters when you're canvassing.
And there seems to be a very small and vocal contingent that wants to encourage bailing on the party completely if they don't get what they want.
Interestingly enough, they're angry we want things too. Selfish and narrow minded POV.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
68. Excellent point, if they dont get it all, they are out, like with Obama.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 11:30 AM
Jul 2015

It is so childish.

If they tell me they will vote Dem no matter what, then we dont have an issue.

But I am tired of asking them that, they want to fucking argue constantly

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
64. What has been going on here?
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 06:19 AM
Jul 2015

I been gone for a while but what is with stalking people. This place is starting to terrify me, for real

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
66. Apparently ...
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 11:20 AM
Jul 2015

some very ... passionate ... supporters will brook no dissent ... even when the dissent isn't dissent.

DU:GD posters have been hostile to this group for years; but, rarely has that hostility come into the Group ... But now, certain members of specific Groups feel entitled to come in our front door, take a seat on the couch, change the channel on the TV, and demand that we make them a damn sandwich!

DU is going to suck for a while and I suspect it'll extend beyond the primaries ... I'm thinking the election is just the excuse to do/express their true feelings ... much like the treatment of President Obama is "policy-based."

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