Dear Bravenak

[BainsBane]

You made a herculean effort to explain some truths about the back community in this country, and it looked like you were getting some people to listen. Yet one favorable word from a Black Lives Matter activist about Hilary Clinton, and BLM is once again the enemy. Some fights are simply impossible. BLM is making huge in-roads in getting segments of the political community to pay attention, to start to listen. Some, however, never will because their agenda will always take precedence.

I'm sorry. I know you tried so hard. Some of us have learned from you and others in this group, and we will continue to do so. No candidate, no politician, should ever take precedence over key issues of human rights. Some people get that, even if others refuse.

[lovemydog]

1. K & R for Bravenak's posts.

I read them and learn a lot. They're often entertaining as well because our friend B has a great sense of humor.

[lunamagica]

4. +1

[bravenak]

2. I am fucking sad about this.

[BainsBane]

3. Me too

I thought you had made progress. It sure didn't take much to turn it all around. I think you have to just face reality.

[bravenak]

5. No!!! They can CHANGE!!! I know it!!!

Yeah, you're right.

[BainsBane]

6. That's not to say that no one can change

People who want to learn will. I think, however, for some the hostile exclusion of BLM and traditional Democratic constituencies is not incidental but rather part and parcel of their effort to take back the Democratic Party.

[bravenak]

10. Yes. I see that.

Very unfortunate. I see it in the way they discuss conservatives voting for him. If they do, I won't.

[lovemydog]

8. LOL!

BB is right. I'm glad you understand it.

You get through to a lot of people.

You can't change all of them!

[bravenak]

13. Nope. Can't change everybody.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251493492

I am of the opinion that they are being trolled by right wing plants.

[lovemydog]

16. Agree.

Some of the more outrageous comments, I assume it's trolling and either ignore it or respond with something that makes ME laugh.

[bravenak]

22. It's getting funnier by the day.

They think we're trolls while they get trolled.

[lovemydog]

43. Who is watching the watchmen?

I always liked that line.

I think some trolls accuse others of being trolls so they can keep trolling.

[bravenak]

65. Yep!!! They cry about Lee Atwater while worshiping at his shrine.nt

[freshwest]

79. As true as it was when it came out:

Last edited Wed Aug 5, 2015, 02:32 PM - Edit history (1)

Just HAD to go there.

RIP, Jimi Hendrix.

I'll be posting less than I do now. I'm sadly disappointed.

[BainsBane]

82. Are you a Battlestar Galactica fan?

The second version? That song plays a major role in the final season.

[freshwest]

83. Nope, just the original. Newer ST and BSG versions went against the Commons to nepotism, IMO.

All kinds of media is used to condition us to what we think is normal. I consider Americans, particularly white America, to identify so much with commerical memes they have lost what kind of culture they once had and it's partly why they are so desperate to cling to power. They 'got nothing.' If the media tells them they're are winning, they feel good. If it tells them they're losing, they go nuts. They have no real root.

I remember listening to Jimi when he came out and knew every song. It was a particular time in history.

I was working daily door to door to get the first black mayor elected in my town all summer. We thought he had a chance as we really needed a change. We had a much hated police chief who supported brutality.

Oh, the idealism of youth! We just knew the wave of the future would carry him into office.

Well, our candidate didn't win, but eventually we got an effective fully civilian pollce review board and things got more 'civilized.' Now things are going back to something much worse, from what I have read going on there.

Jimi came to town for a concert at the end of the summer. I'd saved up the money to go. But I was in the hands of a part of the family less educated and more conservative than the rest. My dad, who died the year after JFK, was more of an Eric Fromm socialist, All People Are Created Equal type, although he had his own business.

It was okay with that part of the family for me to go with black people into the black neighborhoods to get out the Democratic vote for my mayoral candidate, but they wouldn't let me go to the concert. They let me see the Rolling Stones, etc.

Maybe the idea of a 16 year old white girl seeing a sexy black man was too much for them? Oh, well.

I left home at 18 to be free of their belief system and soon took up with my Sam Rockwell type guy and they really hated that. They did like him eventually, as he was socialist and pro-union.

[lovemydog]

9. Is there a specific thread you're referring to?

Or just the overall bullheadedness and lack of willingness to learn a damn thing demonstrated time and time again by some posters here at DU?

[bravenak]

11. All my own fault, really.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=494398

[lovemydog]

18. No, not your fault.

It's the funniest goddamn shit I've seen here.

People who keep quoting MLK to assault black people.

Reminds me of what far too many people do with the words of Jesus.

Or whoever.

By the way, King expressed profound disappointment with white liberals in Chicago who talked a big game about housing integration and just ignored him after he left that city. That's just one example.

Again, I just try and ignore the nonsense or make a joke that makes ME laugh. When someone else laughs too it makes me feel good. At least I know someone else has a great sense of humor. Like that berniesoblack stuff. That shit still cracks me up.

[bravenak]

20. I'm laughing too.

All these damn MLK quoters. It's like a sitcom.

[lovemydog]

23. In the words of MLK:

'Fuck all o' them ignorant-ass losers!'



I just wrote some funny stuff in that thread. It still makes me laugh.

[bravenak]

26. Wait!!! I hafta go get me a fish filet and a joint!!!

I'll be right back!! I gotta see this shit, lol!
I was making up MLK quotes the other night. Cracked myself up.

[lovemydog]

29. Yeah, I'm running out to the atm.

BBL.

[bravenak]

28. Check this out quick before he leaves!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=20243

[lovemydog]

33. Dammit. I missed it.

I can only imagine what fresh hell that post was.

[bravenak]

35. Oh, I save the best ones.

You know

Being able to commit a crime or attack a cop, and not face any consequences simply because you have black skin and are therefore more important than the rest of us apparently, is not a "human right".

[lovemydog]

44. roflmao

I love it when they just say shit right in the middle of other folks' conversation. One time was at the dog park talking with a friend, talking about something to do with politics. Some whacko came running down a hill and yelled at us 'Don't believe everything you read!' I looked at her for a second and said 'I don't believe everything I hear, either.'

[bravenak]

62. That shit never makes sense!!!

I always just laugh. I have had tears rolling down my face on here.

There are only a few of them left that act like that. I'm keeping track. At first there were a bunch. Now, same ones over and over, while others have moved on.

[lovemydog]

69. Me too. I've laughed to the point of hyperventilating.

A lot of times stuff is so far out of context. Especially threads that start as a comment on some other post that of course I haven't read. I'm like WTF?

Many ARE catching on. The ones who don't make me laugh even more. It's like toilet paper's stuck to the back of their shirt and no one has told them.

[bravenak]

70. Yeah. Some of them are just back to acting normal.

We're down to trolls and the willfully blind. I think the conservative cave is sending some in. They are hilarious in a mean way. Like sometimes they be cracking up on some corny ass shit over there. They think THEY'RE the cool ones. I love it. So dumb.

[Warpy]

76. Damn it. I miss all the good stuff.

In the meantime, I remember all the people back in the day who didn't know what to make of this little ditty. It's dated, but it still applies, "Love Me, I'm a Liberal."

You'll have go to You Tube because it's got a word that triggers all the word jumping bullies and outrage trolls. If I paste the video here, they'll have the vapors and give me a hide.

[bravenak]

111. I think I read that one time in GD.

I thought it was a poem.

[Scootaloo]

126. The mind boggles n/t

[bravenak]

127. They totally have no lives.nt

[SusanCalvin]

104. That gave me a smile.

A rather twisted one, I will admit.

Dang! Why can't some people see how *they* would feel if the tables were turned? My mamma drummed that into my head so well that even my racist dad couldn't get past it.

[bravenak]

121. Just laugh at it. Nothing we can do.

[GeoWilliam750]

86. You helped change at least one person's point of view

Keep up the good fight.

[bravenak]

113. Oh, good!! One at a time, I guess.

[sheshe2]

116. GeoWilliam, so good to see you.

[sheshe2]

7. Hey bravenak.

Your Words...

Thursday, January 8, 2015
When Justice Died

When justice died that day
I cried for oh so long
I looked for liberty and freedom
And sang a sad sad song

Justice had been ill
For all of my life
Oppression and bigotry
Her struggle and her strife

She stood upon a hilltop
Saying she, was there for all
Just as soon as I reached her
Lady Justice took a fall

Her wrist were shackled
There was blood on her sleeve
The last thing she said was,
‘Get off me, I can’t breathe!"

There would be no trial
No jury to be sat
For the ones who killed Justice
Were policemen on attack

When Justice died that day
I cried for oh so long
I buried her with Liberty and Freedom
And sang our sad, sad, song


Posted by Bravenak at 8:52 AM

I erased the link. If you want to add it do. You know why I did it. To protect you.

You have let me post freely from your site, didn't think you would care this time around.

BLM

Love you and I love your words.

she~

[bravenak]

12. I love that one.

You can post it, it's fine. I need to post some more but I keep getting busy.

[brer cat]

15. Thanks for adding that, sheshe.

Bravenak's words need to be shared.

[sheshe2]

19. brer cat

You are still here. Hard to stay away, yet we are all here less.

Yes her words need to be shared. They are poignant. She is a shero of mine.

[brer cat]

25. I am here less for sure.

Bravenak is a hero of mine too, and you sheshe.

[lovemydog]

45. You all rock.

[brer cat]

14. Truth makes some people too uncomfortable.

K&R for Bravenak.

[bravenak]

21. MIRT!!!!!!

[bravenak]

27. OMG.

Thanks DU for spreading this term.

Jared123
24. You're a race nagger and everybody is sick of it
View profile
I think MIRT is on vacation, so you can just kiss my white ass.

[BainsBane]

30. That will be her claim to fame

I hope she's proud.

[bravenak]

32. I hope she is too. I'll never forget it.

I bet it's one of our cave friends.

[lovemydog]

46. She came, she saw,

she got her name removed.

[Number23]

55. Proud? That one has turned the tables so that she is now the fucking VICTIM

I see this person running up and down DU, the main one complaining about how "right wing" DU is now. The person who called black people fighting against murder by cop "race naggers" is now screaming about how "right wing" the Dem party is.

And of course, whenever her disgusting comment is brought up, somehow she gets cast as the victim even though she hurled a nasty pejorative at black people, both in the real world and on DU. This place is a toilet.

[bravenak]

67. That is the TERM of this campaign season.

It is my badge of honor. This world needs MORE race nagging in my opinion.

[Number23]

71. It's definitely that person's legacy here. Not that they have the sense or the integrity to care

And as usual, everyone here rushes to protect her from the people she insulted. Because she's the victim here.

[bravenak]

72. I'm enjoying it now.

I predict MAJOR tear and confusion when he loses. Be like Fox News the night Romney lost.

[zappaman]

80. Yeah, my one hide is for pointing out the term

she used and how proud she must be.
Hypocritical and disgusting.

[brer cat]

31. Just joined up

to kick you. He/she won't last long.

[bravenak]

34. They love me. Attracted to me.nt

[freshwest]

40. That's what HRC said about Rush while LOLing. 'He's got a crush on me.'

Not like he hasn't been on her case since 1992 three hours every weekday and all day long on re-run on the weekends.

All one can do is think about what's important that is bigger than one's self. At that stage, one has true power. And they know it and hate you even more.

The truth is very strong and you've been telling it. I've found it gives one a power those who fear making enemies will never know. It scares them, and it should.

You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.

~ Winston Churchill

[bravenak]

112. The ones that complain about me the most just wanna kick it with me.

I know it's true. I'm very fun. People stop by my house just to tell me their business randomly.

[1StrongBlackMan]

88. Joined up ... for the 3rd or 4th time. n/t

[freshwest]

36. Wow! Well, here are the Jury Results. I'm glad you preserved the new meme. Right there with POSUCS!

Gee DU must be so proud!

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

Mail Message
On Tue Aug 4, 2015, 11:43 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

You know

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=20236

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Hide it and send it to mirt please. We need this one GONE!

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Aug 4, 2015, 11:50 PM, and the Jury voted 6-1 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There was nothing offensive here. We must not deny civil speech.

Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The recent trollage has been overwhelming. MIRT, do your duty, please!

Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: What the hell is this? Hello MIRT!

Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agreed! Name removed needs to find a better hobby. Harassing bravenak must have become tiresome after all this time. Send up the MIRT signal NOW!

Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Mirrrrrt you hoo Mirt

Check out Juror #1! WOW!

[MADem]

39. Unbelievable.

You can alert on your jury results and ask admins to have a look. Number one is entirely out of bounds IMO.

[freshwest]

41. What do I say? 'Fuck Ron Paul'? It's like they read it from a script. n/t

[MADem]

42. Admins can have a look at the posting history and

get a sense of the person--also, they might be able to see if that person has more than one account.

[bravenak]

64. Juror 1 scares me.

How could anybody not see anything wrong with that? Willfully blind.

[Agschmid]

74. Dear juror 1... wtf?

[Starry Messenger]

77. Juror # 1 is whack.

WTF do these people think is civil about this crap?

[zappaman]

81. Please send this to admin.

Number one needs to be looked at.

[Bobbie Jo]

85. See...there are just scads of juror #1's out there

I'm convinced of it.

They get to hide behind the anonymity of the jury system for the most part.

[MADem]

37. I have a feeling that was a sock as well as a troll.

Didn't last long--eight posts and poof. Obviously has been here before.

[bravenak]

63. It knows me. I feel like I know him, tbh.nt

[Hugin]

38. I was on the second jury for this. (I guess. )

Before the MIRT got there. Of course, I voted to hide with a scathing commentary.

Good alert to whoever sent it out.

[Jamaal510]

49. Just a heads up:

I would consider self-deleting this and the "cunning stunt" comment above if I were you--that is if you want to last around this site for very long. You're not fooling anybody.

[cui bono]

51. Look at this person's third post and you'll see they are an obvious troll with no intention

of sticking around.

I alerted on the first post and it won't let me alert on this one until the other is resolved. The third needs to be alerted on as well.

[Ken Burch]

53. Oh, please...you aren't starting this thread to praise bravenak.

And you know perfectly well she doesn't back your candidate and isn't going to anytime soon.

[DonCoquixote]

54. who cares?

I support Bravenak not because she agrees with me, but because she is a voice that needs to be able to speak here. If DU cannot len a mic to allow different points of view, it is worthless.

[Ken Burch]

57. I support bravenak as well, but that's not the point.

The poster I'm responding to is pretending that HRC actually cares about fighting racism. Her 2008 "I'm one of you" campaign and her insistence on fighting to the bitter end, for no good reason, to stop the party from nominating a black candidate raises serious questions about that.

[JI7]

58. the op doesn't give a shit who bravenak supports/doesn't support

bravenak has been very critical of clinton and was even more so before sanders supporters started attacking blm. the op never took issue with it.

it's not hillary supporters who have complained about her not supporting hillary.

[Ken Burch]

59. I know that bravenak is critical of Clinton.

My issue here isn't with her at all.

[JI7]

60. that's why i mentioned the OP

you are the one accusing the OP of things and trying to make it about who supports hillary.

[1StrongBlackMan]

90. This is getting scary ...

BB is "attacked" for starting an appreciation thread for Bravenak ... because Bravenak doesn't and, likely, won't support the candidate BB supports ... that says a lot more about the attacker than the attacked.

[1StrongBlackMan]

89. I know ... WOW ...

I think/I hope I would be embarrassed to actually have written that.

[Number23]

56. Brother Blue Tires has a thread about how to spot a troll as quick as he can.

I get an even faster way to spot a troll on DU:

Find the mouth breathers with bravenak and 1SBM on ignore but who run like Carl Lewis to rec a thread from a certain race baiting "former" Republican around here. If the admins looked at that folks doing that and dropped kicked their asses out of here like they should have done years ago, this place wouldn't be nearly as revolting.

[bravenak]

68. Please!!!!

[lovemydog]

75. LOL

true. I feel really sorry for the ones who have been reccing and cheering those posts for years, thinking they are some kind of genius 'leftist' thought.

[1StrongBlackMan]

91. LOL. n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

101. +1

[Bobbie Jo]

123. !!

[emulatorloo]

133. Hell yeah and AMEN

[Number23]

61. These people are so damn crazy. Apparently, the ONLY black thought that is allowed on DU is one that

aligned with what these white people think. If you as a black person or one of these miracle "POC" that have been popping up, think in a way that is supported by 99% of black people or 99% of minorities, it will be trashed because the only black/minority opinion that matters here is the one that is aligned with these lunatics.

They can all have each other as they wallow in political obscurity and historical insignificance.

[1StrongBlackMan]

92. Which, if I were one of those Black people, or ...

one of these miracle "POC" that share these DUer's opinion(s) ... I think I would have to pause to re-consider my position ... or hope let like that someone one cared about me/my sanity enough to attempt to get me to self-reflect.

[Number23]

94. Why would you need to reconsider your position when the masses here will adore you and pat your head

every chance they get?

DU believes that white folks are all supposed to think the same and that if you deviate from the frothy screaming and howling at the moon, that you are a Third Way corpo-fascist.

Apparently when it comes to POC, we're only liked if we deviate from what the majority of our folks think. So you round up 1000 black people, 905 will despise Cornell West, 95 will like him. Guess who DU will consider the group worth listening to?

You round up 1000 black people. 990 will like Obama, 10 won't. Guess who DU will consider worth listening to? And when you dare to point out the massive discrepancies between the folks they love to love and their support within the black community, some mouth breathing fuckwit will come flying out of the ether to demand "who appointed you Speaker for all black people??!!"

I've seen it happen to you enough. I've seen it happen to other black folks enough.

[1StrongBlackMan]

99. Oh! That's right ...

Is we sick. Do our house be on fire?

Signed,

1DocileBlackMan

You round up 1000 black people. 990 will like Obama, 10 won't. Guess who DU will consider worth listening to? And when you dare to point out the massive discrepancies between the folks they love to love and their support within the black community, some mouth breathing fuckwit will come flying out of the ether to demand "who appointed you Speaker for all black people??!!"

Oh ... You saw that?

[1StrongBlackMan]

102. This post reminds me ...

Apparently when it comes to POC, we're only liked if we deviate from what the majority of our folks think. So you round up 1000 black people, 905 will despise Cornell West, 95 will like him. Guess who DU will consider the group worth listening to?

I posted awhile ago, and several times, how trotting out those 5 out of a 1,000 Black/"PoC" commentator to demonstrate that "See Black people are 'feeling the bern", "Have a problem with BLM", or to show that accomplishing economic justice will bring racial justice, is any different from the conservatives trotting out Thomas Sowell or EJ Jackson to argue that Black folks are fundamentally flawed and culturally dysfunctional.

I got called all kinds of racists ... along with wails of "Don't call me a racist"; but, no one could, or even tried to, distinguish between the two points. That was truly telling for me, and should have been for them.

[BainsBane]

115. particularly when PoC

are upper-class South Asians and not African American, like it's all the same thing.

[Number23]

118. "upper-class South Asians and not African American, like it's all the same thing."

If your sole goal is to pretend that the 190,000 polls that show that Bernie Sanders or whomever you support has no support or connection with minority communities, they ARE "all the same thing."

So you'll see 100 polls that show 90% of black people supporting the candidate that you don't support. What do you do? You latch onto the first brown thang you can get your hands on that does support your guy.

DOESN'T MATTER that he is not or does not represent that community. DOESN'T MATTER that his/her support is miniscule compared to others within that same group. No endorsement will be too small or insignificant if they fit the "profile" of what you want them to fit. The ONLY thing that matters is that you got your guy, your ONE guy that you have decided will "refute" the tens of thousands of others that say the opposite of what you so desperately want to hear.

[bravenak]

66. Ok. So I will try to only try one more time after this.

I think I can get through to them if I try hard enough. After this last time, no more!

[SusanCalvin]

105. You're always saying (and doing) that!!!!!

Thank you.

[Gothmog]

73. Thanks to Bravenak for her good works

[GitRDun]

78. What the heck is going on around here?

It's bad enough we have to sift through these childish Hillary / Bernie food fights.

It really sucks to observe this "Let's get bravenak!" party.

She can take care of herself. She doesn't need my help. And I've had my differences with bravenak, but I thought she did the best job I've seen on DU of how the Sanders campaign can be more inclusive.

I live in a community where people can be intolerant, don't really see each other's humanity like they should. I came to DU as an escape from that.

What really sucks for me is NOT being asked to serve on juries for stupid alerts of bravenak posts, it's looking at the trail of posts leading to the alert. They are loaded with the same lack of understanding / humanity I can get from the guy that towed my truck the other day.

Time for some soul searching 'round here.

We should be better than this.

[Tarheel_Dem]

84. I know bravenak wants to continue to engage with these folks, but as my Grandma used to say.....

"Baby, when they show you who they are, BELIEVE 'EM"!!!! And in that tradition, I "believe" everything I ever thought about that group. I "believe" their true motivations here, and I "believe" their ultimate goal, and neither is good for black folk.

[bravenak]

87. I know.nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

93. Hey ... Your Grandma and Mama 1SBM must have grew up on the same side of the street ...

she raised me on that line! ... That and, "The drunken tongue speaks the sober truth, and the angered tongue speaks no lies." So, Baby ... If you really want to know what someone thinks about you, get them drunk and piss them off!"

[Tarheel_Dem]

97. Well, we've obviously had a lot of "drunken" posting on the DU lately, cuz I know exactly "what they

think", and it didn't take long after BS' launch to find out. "Allies" my ass.

[AllFieldsRequired]

103. White Americans, even so called liberal ones, live and breathe, daily, white privilege

and have a life experience of knowing their opinion matters more than any non white American.

Not necessarily because they insist that they be assigned more credibility and value, but simply because they know they are by virtue of the white power structure that exists.

When some (sigh) white people tell non white people something, the non white people are supposed to know to listen and learn.

When this stops working or happening, there is friction.

At least it seems to me that is what is happening.

[SusanCalvin]

106. I think you are absolutely right. nt

[Number23]

95. + a million. I don't know why she bothers. I've told her that a hundred times.

"Baby, when they show you who they are, BELIEVE 'EM"!!!!

At some point it becomes less about 'education' and is just an exercise in masochism and self-immolation. And these people are truly not worth the time or energy for either.

[Tarheel_Dem]

98. I honestly think she believes she can talk some sense into 'em. But one look at BS' "crowds" told..

me all I needed to know about that "movement". Bravenak is like Pres. Obama. Remember how he was routinely savaged around here for "reaching out"? Well, like Pres. Obama, she believes you have to keep trying. I admire her for that, but I ain't the one. I'll break it down even further....ain't nobody got time for that dumb shit.

[bravenak]

114. Lordy!!

Damn that shit is sad!!! I'm just going to have to sit back and watch the trainwreck from back here. I told them from the day netroots happened. I knew it would end up exactly like this. I even told them that they way they act made me unsupport Bernie, like who can belong to a group like that and be black? Not me. Fuck that. Rather just wait for the general, but I'm going to at least watch and laugh.

[Tarheel_Dem]

124. I don't who BS' campaign staff is, but I hope they don't frequent DU. That would really be sad.

If they witnessed his supporters, and kept quiet about it, I'd think they were deliberately trying to sink his campaign. Terms like "race nagging" and "identity politics" have become quite the dog whistle around here. That doesn't bode well in terms of "outreach".

You have given a valiant effort, and if you decide to further engage, go for it. But, like I said, I ain't the one.

[BainsBane]

125. They are the same on Twitter too

It's not just DU.

[Tarheel_Dem]

130. Well, I guess they've calculated that they'll get BS the nomination by pulling in conservatives & ..

dismissing the party's traditional constituencies. If that's their strategy, good luck with that.

[BainsBane]

131. He's speaking at Liberty University

I guess this came out yesterday but I just heard about it. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251497012

[Tarheel_Dem]

132. Yup. I saw that. That's what I meant about his "very conservative" following. I don't want them..

in my party just so one guy can get elected. They'll be pulling the party rightward, and that's been the complaint of BS' most vocal supporters. Why would they think this is a good thing?

[1StrongBlackMan]

96. As I posted to another post saying Grandma's line ...

Hey ... Your Grandma and Mama 1SBM must have grew up on the same side of the street ... she raised me on that line! ... That and, "The drunken tongue speaks the sober truth, and the angered tongue speaks no lies. So, Baby ... If you really want to know what someone thinks about you, get them drunk and piss them off!"

[steve2470]

100. +1! nt

[steve2470]

107. Bravenak, from a semi-clueless white man....

please don't waste your time any more. I know why you're doing it, but any white person with a brain and a heart who has any caring at all for the AA community (aka not a racist) knows you're telling the truth and on target. It's not rocket science. Your truth is extremely well-documented and verified by both white people and people of color.

If Senator Sanders doesn't gain the trust of the AA community, I'll switch my primary vote to Secretary Clinton or Governor O'Malley. That's how strongly I feel about this. We'll see how he does. I could not care less what his supporters say or do. It's what HE says and does that really matters to me.

[AllFieldsRequired]

108. I like my idea, look at my sig

But wasnt my idea, heard it on Thom Hartmann



Not Barack, Michelle

[steve2470]

109. That would be an awesome ticket! nt

[bravenak]

110. I know.

I just wanted them to attract voters rather than repell them. I like Bernie, I think they do him a disservice.

[SusanCalvin]

120. Ditto, and thank you. nt

[WIProgressive88]

122. Well...you may not have gotten through to everybody, but I've appreciated your advice and I wish

that more of my fellow Bernie supporters would give it a listen without getting so unnecessarily defensive. Thanks for fighting the good fight, even though I'm sure it's frustrating.

[Number23]

119. Wonderful post, steve.

I couldn't agree more with everything that you've said.

[scarletwoman]

117. All I can say is that Bravenak is amazing! Wonderfully smart, compassionate and passionate,

delightfully humorous, and the best damn teacher I've ever had in all my 14 years on DU!

And one Bravenak is worth exponentially more than any of the hundreds and hundreds of clueless white pseudo-leftie white "progressives" who infest this place.

to Bravenak!

[steve2470]

128. +1000000 nt

[mcar]

129. I appreciate bravenak's efforts too

[BainsBane]

134. Now she's on time out

It is really incredible to me. I cannot believe this is allowed to go on.

[Cha]

135. Beautifully said, Bains.. and inspiring! Bravenak speaks from her heart as an African American

woman, and as someone who wanted BS for President, before #BlackLivesMatter Activists protested @ NRN. It was Then that all hell broke loose against #BlackLivesMatter Supporters on the net, from misguided Bernie supporters, and that changed everything.

No candidate does take precedence over Human Rights.. they just think he does to their detriment.

Just because they want to shut up Bravenak on du.. does not mean the rest of the country is not listening to Voices like hers and #BlackLivesMatter.

Thankfully the rest of the country is not like du.. President Obama and Hillary Clinton are well liked and honored in our country. And, the majority on DU ignorantly dumps on them.. and it means absolutely nothing in the whole scope of successes that have been accomplished by our President and the continued success when Hillary is our President.

[octoberlib]

136. K&R for Bravenak! Wonderful tribute.

[ismnotwasm]

137. K&R