African American
Related: About this forumgiftedgirl,another one of our friends has been silenced
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=304197
I am at a loss for words. All I can say is you don't show respect for people by shutting them up and when you have a party that is nearly 45% minority and a board that is supposed to represent that party that is 95% or more majority and the few minority voices are being systematically silenced something isn't right.
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JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)She stood in her truth.
One must play nicey nicey fakey fake phoney baloney with the folks around here or risk getting silenced.
A lot of fake is going around.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)"Blood is coming out of my eyes...Blood is coming out of my everywhere..."
I am going to see 'Straight Outta Compton' in a few minutes... It should be cathartic.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)powerful messagw with our primary or caucus vote.
brer cat
(24,578 posts)and wrong. I just don't know what to make of some of the people here. Neither liberal nor progressive for sure.
This reminds me of the twilight zone episode 'It's a Good Life" where everyone had to make sure not to upset a child or else risk severe punishment. Reminds me DU right about now.
On an isolated family farm, a young boy with vast mental powers, but lacking emotional development, holds his terrified family in thrall to his every juvenile wish.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734580/
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)EEEWWWuuuu ! Creepy ass kid.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)lib87
(535 posts)lol
that episode was one of my favorites!
MADem
(135,425 posts)lib87
(535 posts)carla
(553 posts)I have seen "us" become ConservativeReactionUnderground. Probably get me banned, but someone needs to speak truth to power, here too!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)The fact that minority voices are being stalked out of DU is reprehensible.
Those doing it should be ashamed.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)Alert stalking has been around and a problem since the jury system started, but the primaries seem to have pulled the assholes out of the woodwork.
I would say that it has gotten especially bad for POC.
I serve on a fair number of juries and I see plenty of bullshit alerts and call them out as such.
The timing (as another poster here pointed out) is what gets the hides.
I think that a small cadre of disruptors alert late at night/early morning when they are on en mass to get these hides.
It would be interesting to see the composition of these juries and the alerters to see the pattern of abuse.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)...fair and balanced
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Here's a good evil laugh for you!
doxyluv13
(247 posts)Checked her "hides". You could argue the William Pitt comment should be hidden (she calls him a dick), but I wouldn't have voted to hide. The rest of the hides are laughable.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)quickesst
(6,280 posts)...with a keyboard.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)quickesst
(6,280 posts)...I forget to qualify my statements with some, not all.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and that's all I'll say
blackspade
(10,056 posts)The "individuals" doing the alert stalking are the worst sort of partisan.
I'm honestly no fan of Clinton, but I feel no need to silence her supporters or anyone else for their opinions about a candidate.
It appears that some around here have reduced the candidates to their 'supporters' rather than focusing on the positions of the candidates themselves.
Both camps need to knock off the alert stalking and rhetoric. This is not a high school election, but serious shit.
Black people are dying in the streets while some fools here try to notch their belts with pathetic discussion board victories.
Number23
(24,544 posts)of us. They are as disgusted and fed up with this crap as everyone else is.
We have lots of Bernie supporters in this forum and a Bernie supporter, Blue_Tires is a host. It's not all of them by any stretch of the imagination. But Lord knows, it's ENOUGH of them.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)That's why I fixed my oversight in my reply to nc4bo. I usually add a "not all" or "just some" to my posts when addressing "some" Bernie supporters.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,096 posts)Get up in their faces and
DU was hijacked and although half of my ignore list has been PPRd, a whole new crop have arisen to take their place (many who drank a bit too much of the Firedog Lake koolaid). And there have been exoduses of folks to other sites - including most recently when Skinner set up a separate Hillary site.
So when the bullies take over the neighborhood, eventually they are all that's left after they chase everyone else away. And then that's when they start to eat their own.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)their personal offense to another person's opinion is sufficient to report the poster. i don't agree with that approach but I understand a lot of it has to do with privilege, racism, and in some cases poor critical thinking skills.
From TOD (theObamaDiary) I see Bernie hired an AA press secretary. Maybe she can do some modeling for Bernie supporters.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)she's blah ... er, ... she's a shhhh ... er, she worked for Nader!
George II
(67,782 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Don't know how many times I've said that.
Silly alerts with silly hides.
What in the hell are we supposed to converse about when every damn thing gets alerted on, sent to jury then hidden?!
Not cool DU, not cool.
marble falls
(57,106 posts)there are two, one of which is legit, and one about my good friend WillPitt that is borderline (I'd have voted to leave it) and four totally bogus alerts.
Maybe DU needs to look at the anonymity of alerters. Or maybe limit the number of alerts per week or day from individuals.
I've been hidden maybe 6 or 7 times and I saw why I got alerted and agreed with it 4 or 5 times.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)justified. They were strongly offered opinions and I didn't agree with some of them. I am a Bernie supporter, but people are entitled to their opinion. It appears she probably will be given a timeout and be among us again in the future.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)I'm not quite sure why that's not apparent to the powers that be, but you can only turn a blind eye for so long.
Orrex
(63,216 posts)I would have voted to hide all but six of those.
840high
(17,196 posts)F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)Results for it from last night:
Oh my gawd, do you see what you are typing?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=517528
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
This poster has repeatedly used anti-Semitic dog whistles in this thread and has now gone too far. Claiming that Jewish people enjoy white privilege in this country even after it's been explained that Jews are a hated minority is offensive. Anti-Semitism is every bit as vile as racism and we need to stop excusing bigotry of all kinds on DU.
JURY RESULTS
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Aug 14, 2015, 01:50 AM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not what was said at all, alerter. If there were anti-Semetic dog whistles in the rest of the thread, please alert on those. As a very privileged white guy who also happens to be an atheist, another persecuted "religious" minority in the US, I agree with that post completely. It's definitely not hide-worthy. (And yes, I know that atheism isn't the same. It was an example.)
Also, hell yes to this: "Walking around as an obvious privileged white guy who enjoys all the privilege's as such needs to own that shit. "
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: To downplay the fact that a Jewish man who lost relatives in the Holocaust saying that he didn't know them and 'they were strangers' is way over the top. We need to be sensitive to all minority groups, including the Jewish. Black lives DO matter, but so do the 6 million Jewish lives extinguished during that horrible time in history.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Don't they teach history in our schools anymore? Does this person even realize that no Jewish person has ever been elected President, specifically due to anti-Semitism, in this country? I hesitated to hide this at first, but after reading most of the poster's comments within this thread, I agree with this alert.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: More thought needs to be put into posts. This one is simply a vicious, nasty spasm.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
I was Juror #1.
doxyluv13
(247 posts)Although anti-Semitism is real, of course American Jews enjoy the privileges of being white.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)American Jewish History 88.1 (2000) 156-159
How Jews Became White Folks and What that Says About Race in America. By Karen Brodkin. New Brunswick, NJ: Rutgers University Press, 1998. xi + 241 pp.
This is an excellent book in many ways. It makes an extremely important contribution to the study of American Jewish history and beyond. Brodkin offers a highly developed analysis of how the category of Jews came to be equated with the category of "White" in the United States since World War II. To do so, she also explains how racial categorization worked prior to that time, so that previously Jews were not considered properly within the boundaries of Whiteness and its privileges. As the subtitle suggests, Brodkin engages in this examination not only by drawing on the literature of critical race theory more broadly, but so that she can also say something about racial formation and racialization in the U.S. beyond the case study of Jews.
Brodkin's work is part of an interdisciplinary effort to conceptualize identity politically. In particular, the work is situated within a discourse and political movement which understands that not only do we all have multiple identities, but that these multiple identities are mutually constitutive of one another. First, this means that one is not simply a man, or a Jew, or working class, or bisexual: one is all of these. Second, the framework within which Brodkin is working and developing is one in which these multiple signifiers of identity are interrogated for the ways that each aspect actually constitutes the others. In this view, the gender of Jewish men and Jewish women, for example, becomes explicitly "Jewed." The ethnoracial construction of Jewishness is gendered; it is sexed; and it is classed. Brodkin's work would have benefitted greatly if she had held sexuality and sexual orientation in the complex more fully with her integrative critique of the race/ethnicity, class, and gender of a shifting Jewish identity in the U.S. Nevertheless, she makes an important contribution to the race/gender/class literature for Jewish studies and from within the historical experience of Jews to the broader race, class, gender discussion. This book will become a significant resource for those able to push (and therefore in many ways probably redefine) the analysis with the insights of queer studies.
Brodkin provides a helpful tool by distinguishing between what she calls ethnoracial assignment and ethnoracial identity. Assignment refers to "the ways in which the dominant culture and popular understandings construct different categories of social and political beings," whereas identity, used in a political sense, refers "to a system of values and meaning shared within a community by which we measure ourselves as social actors" (p. 21). Brodkin critically examines the interplay between assignment and identity as it transformed over time and in relation to larger political phenomena in the U.S. The story she tells of this interplay provides valuable insight into the changing nature of Jewish identity in its ever mutating raced/gendered/classed formulations. Simultaneously, the story she tells provides valuable insight into the changing nature of the ethnoracial construction of off-Whites (those not quite White and not African) in U.S. history and how that (re)created the very (and continually binary) categories of White and Black in this country over time.
http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/ajh/summary/v088/88.1brettschneider.html
To the alerter: It's true, a certain category of Jews are indeed beneficiaries of American white supremacy. We can debate this, if you'd like.
mcar
(42,334 posts)in several of those Hide votes. Coincidence?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)It's pretty easy to NOT get posts hidden. Just don't be so offensive and you won't get hides it's as simple as that.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Tell a truth from an AA perspective and rest assured, you will be stalked and or scrutinized on every comment you make.
Overstep the "boundaries" just 1 inch and someone will be slobbering over an alert button and then, that's when the posse takes over.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Obviously.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the law applied to everyone equally, too. Right?
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Cha
(297,323 posts)Quayblue
(1,045 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)Are you talking about "rules" that are applied unequally in real life as well as here at DU?
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Yeah, just sit back and take it already.
Suck it up, people.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Immediately accusing people, who almost certainly support AA goals, of being racist just because they disagree with a tactic or with the candidate they support is rude, and folks should stop.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)Forcing someone to go to their child's funeral because their baby had the bad fortune of encountering an angry, paranoid, trigger happy law enforcement officer is pretty much at the top of the list of impoliteness.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)How does the situation you described justify giftedgirl being rude to someone on DU?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)but that doesn't stop Bernie supporter like yourself from referring to us as such.
Here: let me give an example ...
If I alerted on that comment, with the reason ... The commenter has been told several times over that neither 1SBM or GiftedGirl are HRC supporter ... and we are in a space where: 80% of the potential jury, either supports 1SBM/GiftedGirl, or despises you for your differing opinion ... that comment by you, would likely be hidden as "offensive".
See how that works?
brer cat
(24,578 posts)to come in here and splain to us how to stay out of trouble on this big ol site. "Just dont be so offensive
it's as simple as that." My, my, my, how did I miss that? It must be because I am female or something, dontcha know. Ill bet your momma would be real proud to know that you took all her lessons to heart, and go around helping people, even those who dont ask you. Now, dont blush and rub your toe in the dirt; you deserve a good pat on the back.
And you had to go so far out of your way to get to this particular group, you really walked the extra mile. Ill bet you learned that while marching with Dr. King. He could sure hoof it, couldnt he? Oh, that brings back the memories. He knew all about being non offensive and not misbehaving. Say, did you teach him that? Now, dont be shy, take a bow for being so smart.
Im almost elderly so I really do appreciate your help here.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)Brava, brer cat.
Cha
(297,323 posts)all. Not.
JI7
(89,252 posts)Cha
(297,323 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)identify people who are engaged in alerting on posts. Identity of alerters would go a long way to reduce the number of alerts that are ill-founded. It would also reduce the accusations about who is alerting constantly--as currently no one knows who is behind an alert.
Warpy
(111,277 posts)and the fifth was borderline. They got lucky with juries.
I hope she comes back, she is gifted. When she does (and I hope it's a "when), let's hope she shitcans GD-P so she's not as tempted to rise to the stinkbait people there chum the waters with. That's really half the battle, saying what you have to say and never returning to that thread.
Face it, if you tell people truths they'd rather not hear, you will be a target.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Yep, there's an element here bound and determined to silence our voices.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)When the majority of this board will not tolerate democrats right to support Hillary or anyone other than BS.
They are packed with his supporters and seeing the results daily, they have no interest in fairness at all.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Actual Sanders supporters don't stand for this shit.
Making this a Sanders vs Clinton problem glosses over the alert stalking against POC at this site.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)A lot of asshole alerters and asshole jurists, IMHO.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)sheshe2
(83,791 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)....it is because to a great many of us, that phrase that was let to stand has become the DU standard of just how low SOME people can go without getting so much as a slap on the wrist.
And yet for others...
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)Skinner has repeatedly defended the jury system, even to the point of saying that Hillary supporters (of which he is one) have to be especially polite. If you go into ATA and specifically ask him to address the concern of Black voices being silenced on DU (at this of all times when BLM is in the news and their refusal to be polite has gotten some significant positive results), will he respond that Black people need to be especially polite?
I don't know the answer, but I'd love to see what happens if a spokesperson from this group were to go find out.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)So have many others.
This makes resolution of these problems impossible.
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)Even if he does not respond, it may eventually lead to change if it's asked enough times.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)When I rarely asked before, I got wonderful well-reasoned responses.
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)The only thing you can reasonably bevsure of is that the entirety of the change you want will not happen immediately as the result of your action. But your small push in the right direction, added to the push of many others over time, may eventually change the inertia. But if you're looking for near certainties, the one thing practically guaranteed to be true is that if you (and everyone else making the assumption that they cannot change anything with their words) say nothing to those in position to make changes, then nothing will change. (That's why BLM supporters did what they did.)
I understand defeatist thinking, I've been a victim of it myself in the past, and it has never gotten me anywhere so I've abandoned it out of sheer logic. May I humbly suggest that you consider doing the same!
Number23
(24,544 posts)stand while his post defending himself against the smear was hidden. He has not responded yet.
Tarheel_Dem has also posted questions in AtA about this but says that she's gotten no response. I'm not sure what else we're supposed to do.
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)Change takes time.. At some point I hope Skinner will be moved to come up with an improvement over the way the jury system allows people to silence others here. I was so upset with unrec that I left DU for a long time, and that function was finally retired. The jury system is an improvement over unrec but there is still massive room for improvement. I'll add my own voice in ATA on the subject - it may not get a response but at least it will be heard.
onpatrol98
(1,989 posts)I mean wouldn't that have to be it. Either 1) we're on the site more than he is (that would be sad as horribly as the place treats us lately) or 2) he sees it and just doesn't give a care.
Number23
(24,544 posts)his site has devolved into more than any of us could ever be. There's probably a big element of "don't care" too but I honestly think that he's embarrassed by how insane DU is now.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Nowhere in this post were there the standard dog whistles of anti-semitism. The only thing noted is that Jews, because the majority can sometimes not tell them apart from others based on appearance alone, might not be obvious targets. Obvious is important because we all know as sure as hell as they are known to be Jews, the very people that were so polite to them will start talking behind their back and trying to land knives in said back.
But that is not the main point:
Point one: Some of the Bernie Supporters have acted shameful, in a manner that totally is at odds with Bernie himself has said. Right now, just as I want Hillary to apologize for letting Bill blow dog whistles like some grand wizard back in 2008, I want Bernie to apologize and rein in his followers, who have acted in a repugnant manner.
Point Two: DU has to address a Jury system that has been hijacked. I do not care if Skinner tells his fellow Hillary supporters to play nice, or if he builds a magic sandbox for them where they can spend all day giving each other high-fives. The fact is, the DU Jury system has devolved into a lynch mob that will treat the ToS like toilet paper and allow people to act out their worst instincts. THIS NEEDS FIXING NOW!
Hekate
(90,714 posts)dougolat
(716 posts)or ask honest questions about the significance of being Jewish, (or in another context, condemn the slaughter in Gaza, or object to the efforts to block the Iran Nuclear treaty, or mention who DOES have nuclear weapons in the ME but WON'T sign the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty and certainly won't allow inspections by the UN, the IAEA, or their main financial backer, arms supplier, and protector from UN condemnation) without causing a storm of "Anti-Semitic!!!" outrage: well what CAN you say?
It's unhealthy?
Classic Third Rail ?
Emotional wounds ?
Taboo?
Protective over-reaction ?
Frustration with the tone-deaf ?
Lord, forgive them, they know not what they do?
-still wondering.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Lots of ~~~sensitive people~~~ on those juries too, I'll bet. This is starting to feel like reading about the Peekskill riots.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Or the Black Wall Street Riot.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)One of those many instances where the deracialized class ideology pretty much doesn't make any sense either.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Or the New York City Draft Riots.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Skinner needs to take a hard look at this--I see Sanders supporters hurling direct insults at people, and because they are in the majority, they're getting a pass. And I'm seeing black people--black women, mostly--getting the SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP GET OFF HOW DARE YOU treatment, and being bum-rushed and swarmed.
This is BAD. It's leaving a very foul taste.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)eom
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I wonder if it can be programmed so they can't alert on certain people, and block them from the juries of people of color from the AA group.
Number23
(24,544 posts)20 for non-donors. 30 for donors.
I can't think of any other solutions right now. We are a minority that the majority has deemed expendable and unwanted. I'm not sure what else can be done without admin intervention.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Or an even higher amount on the list. What is happening here is more racist than things I've witnessed offline. We aren't going to have any Black posters left, and I know this shit takes a real life toll too.
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)This is not right.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)It either needs some major reforms or it needs to be scrapped completely and replaced with something else altogether.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)There is so much wrong about this.
Cha
(297,323 posts)voice silenced for too long. Looking forward to your return, gifted.
sgtbenobo
(327 posts)....at "Band Camp."
civil.... composed, and sorrrrly, dead.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)I love the posts of giftedgirl77.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)is going out of the way not to play by the rules.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Anyone who gets five hides in sixteen days has CLEARLY BEEN TARGETED
My best friend and former business partner worked in the Human Resources Department of the city of Orlando. One of his responsibilities was to look for patterns of discrimination in hiring and firing. If there was a pattern of members of a protected class being hired or fired disproportionately to their percentage of the population that was prima facie evidence of discrimination.
Several African American members of this board have had their accounts suspended or are on the brink of having their accounts suspended. When you compare those numbers to the numbers of regular African American posters who post here regularly and the total universe of posters who post here regularly there is prima facie evidence of discrimination and the burden falls on the host to disprove it.
okasha
(11,573 posts)Gifted girl had at least one more alert than shows. I was on the just for that one. It was a 4-3 Leave it, but it should have been 7-0. There was noting at all in that post that broke the rules.
There is a clear, evident intent to silence AA posters. It's disgusting.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)IMHO orthodoxy and liberalism are mutually exclusive.
okasha
(11,573 posts)I know from being on the jury that there was at least one unsuccessful effort to get her posts hidden. Just on the assumption of smoke/fire, I assume there were also other unsuccessful attempts.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and you will not like this. This is not actually about race. I cannot tell race though a screen so I would never know a person is white, brown, Latino, black or green for all that matters. (Or any other minority you might want to think off)
The problem is with the jury system (it is not a bug, it is a feature) and the bullying, again, not a bug, but a feature.
This site has way too many problems. My recommendation, chill and don't take it too seriously.
That said, there is a shit load of material I will NOT post at Democratic Underground. In fact, working on research for a piece that WILL NOT BE POSTED HERE, and it has to do with movement theory in the 21st century and a lot of reading i am doing into it. Another has to do with income inequality and capitalism. Neither of those pieces belongs at a hyper partisan site.
Food for thought for you... they used to.
This is the environment that has been allowed to flourish... and again, this is not a bug, it's a feature. And because of it, I do not alert, and I do not do juries.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)What I don't get is why someone would go to all the trouble to step inside a protected group just to tell people...you're wrong.
The height of arrogance, and yet another excellent demonstration of the point.
"The rules" only apply to some around here.
These people were targeted. Period.
treestar
(82,383 posts)the problem with juries is they don't play by the rules.
Quayblue
(1,045 posts)not hardly.
and what rules are these? The TOS rules?
The line is continuously toed around here. But that shall change soon.
Cha
(297,323 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)I loath alert stalking. Folks that do it are .... lets just say that they are people with small minds and hearts.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)all women. take note.
here is the thing. i had people who do not particularly like me, but are fair and just take a look at my hides. there was only one that cam close to getting a hide. and that was my fault for phrasing that came out sounding like i wanted a man shot in the back. i would never suggest, imply or state that, but it did come off in that manner.
one post out of the five hides. all but one hide was 4-3 hide. one was 5-2 hide
during that same couple weeks of getting hides i had many many juries sent to me thru pm that were fails. again, many 4-3 leave. that clued me in that every post i wrote was rolling the dice.
i looked at gift, and i would have hid two, for calling pitt a dick, though he was no longer on du, and not like i disagreed. every other post of hers was totally alright. not one infraction. she was rolling the dice simply posting.
i haven't seen bravenak, but well... she is unique, and unique in the language and humor she uses. i watched for months, her being herself and never a hide, because.... she was a sanders supporter. she still spoke in her creative manner, and people LOVED it. as soon as she sided with blm, her creative, unique way of communicating was a problem. and she started getting her hides.
when 80-85% of du are sander supporters, not getting hides for shit, calling people names, candidates names, over the top and flat out lies like saying clinton dissed a mother of a dying daughter, they will be hands down the jury we sit in front of.
some will walk it honorably.
it will not be very much of a challenge to find four that may not like us. mouthy women. that do not see sanders as a savior, or.... simply is standing with blm as a sanders supporter, to get hides.
5 in two weeks.
lots of failed juries.
it is the same with gift and bravenak. hence the two and a half months kicked off.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)"i haven't seen bravenak, but well... she is unique, and unique in the language and humor she uses. i watched for months, her being herself and never a hide, because.... she was a sanders supporter. she still spoke in her creative manner, and people LOVED it. as soon as she sided with blm, her creative, unique way of communicating was a problem. and she started getting her hides."
This is largely true. BLM has brought out the dark underbelly of White liberal privilege. She was rightly pointing out that some Sanders 'supporters' were killing the messenger and ignoring the message in Seattle. So what do these folks do? Out came the knives....
It was disgusting.