African American
Related: About this forumWith the exception of the DC Sniper ...
can anyone cite to an instance of a Black killer, randomly killing people, with whom they had no connection?
Off and on, last night ... I spent a couple hours on that question and couldn't come up with a single other instance.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)GusBob
(7,286 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)and they are now checking women's pocketbooks for guns. I went over to the African American security guy and said "it's white guys with guns who shoot everyone up" and he laughed.
alc
(1,151 posts)Source: Mother Jones. If you don't like the source you at least get a list of names to google. I think their source was FBI records a few years ago and updates from media since.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XV4mZi3gYDgwx5PrLwqqHTUlHkwkV-6uy_yeJh3X46o/edit#gid=0
By my quick count 10 of 71 are listed as "black" but when I first saw the list I had some questions about their categorization of something (don't remember what). It doesn't say if there is a connection with the victims but most have links to a news source so you can probably find out.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Proportionally minuscule numbers and statistically insignificant.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Which pretty much aligns with the AA population, which IIRC is about 13.8% of the US population.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Has to be a stat somewhere to prove that
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Sorry, white people, it's the truth!
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)see post 4.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)A few years ago - that one and the DC Sniper were immediate. In terms of swooping in with a gun.
I put serial killers in a different bucket. It's a different profile - John Douglas and Mark Olshaker - their books (co-authors) have me place a serial killer in a different bucket.
And I'm in agreement with you on Williams - I'm not certain he did it.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I guess what I'm teasing out is ... Yes, there ARE Black people that kill, even multiple people; but, when it happens, it rarely is random ... there is some connection between the killer and the killed (e.g., co-workers, family members, members of a rival gang, in the commission of another crime, etc.).
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)"but Black people kill, too" thread ... and found myself engaged in a "Nice victim blaming" discussion.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)their numbers are small in proportion to the M$M "Oh shit, Blacks are out to get white people" propaganda.
Notice (I know you have) that Black people who kill are more often than not given 'special' treatment as 'terrorists' or some other layer of purpose above and beyond the actual deed itself.
A good example is the M$M treatment of the guy that killed the two newspeople in VA, and that asshole that murdered nine in Charleston.
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)(Forgive the levity)
Ryan Carr (@HardRCarr)
@YungAshuSingh
@HardRCarr ugh I know what you mean, I get really uncomfortable whenever I see a white man
walk into a movie theater or elementary school
2:00 PM - 5 Aug 2014
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/rossalynwarren/heres-a-funny-response-to-a-guy-who-said-he-was-uncomfortabl#.rxJ3Y4vYR
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)brer cat
(24,574 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)kjones
(1,053 posts)I really don't know the statistics, but assuming there is a significant difference
(and I believe there is, certainly at least in mass killings), the real question is "why?"
Do Black individuals commit less of that type of violence, do White individuals
commit more, or a little of both? What might account for that? I've never
even come up with any hunches. What about other conceivable demographic
divisions (age, sex, religion, etc)? I guess there's probably a study out there
somewhere...anyway, pretty odd.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I have yet to find evidence to suggest otherwise.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)I very much remember when Coleman terrified the Midwest back in the 1980's.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)but their case supports my theory:
In their case, sexual assault.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)WERE pretty random, it seems...he took his time getting to know the strangers that he eventually raped and/or killed.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Although White individuals made up 69.2% of arrests for crimes in 20111, Black men still account for the majority of the prison population, more than six times as likely to be incarcerated than White men. Black men are also subjected, according to Lawrence Grossman, former President of CBS News and PBS, to media stereotyping where TV newscasts disproportionately show African Americans under arrest, living in slums, on welfare, and in need of help from the community. However, men of color do not represent the majority of school shooters or mass murderers.
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Recent studies reveal that most school shooters are White males, with 97 percent being male and 79 percent White. Over the last three decades, 90 percent of high school or elementary school shootings were the result of White, often upper-middle class, perpetrators. These shootings are a direct reflection of White male privilege and the consequences that occur when groups like the NRA control influential conservative leaders.
Before his May 23rd premeditated killing spree, Elliot Rodger2 posted a YouTube video saying his intention was to slaughter every single spoiled stuck up blonde slut I see inside a sorority house, because they all would have rejected [him] and looked down upon [him] as an inferior man if [he] ever made a sexual advance towards them. These chilling comments cannot be simply regarded as nonsense from a madman, because they actually represent the deeply entrenched manifestation of our misogynistic society. Furthermore, the case of Elliot Rodger exposes the prevailing intersection between gender and race of gun violence.
There is a pattern in these school shootings that has been coined as suicide-by-mass-murder, and seems to be an almost-exclusively young-White-male phenomenon. Michael Kimmel, a Distinguished Professor of Sociology at Stony Brook University and founder of the academic journal Men and Masculinity, has been conducting research on the intersection between race and gender of American school shooters, and observed that victims of [young men of color] are usually those whom the shooter believes have wronged him. And it rarely ends with his suicide. .. White men, on the other hand, have a somewhat more grandiose purpose If Im going to die, then so is everybody else, they seem to say. Yes, of course, this is mental illness speaking: but it is mental illness speaking with a voice that has a race and a gender.
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I still get a twitch when I think of the Eliot Rodger threads here at DU. Trying to get this concept across in GD was painful. But one Black man performs a mass shooting and boy people just leapt on "OMG, he hated white people!!11" But Eliot Rodger was just mentally ill, and just happened to write a several page manifesto on how much he hated women, so nothing to see here!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Do they count the Black female that brings a gun and shoots the girl that stole her boyfriend, the same as the kid that plans the attack to kill as many as possible?
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)that took place maybe slightly off school grounds...did they have a certain "body count" in mind...etc.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)The article I posted points to the motivation being different for revenge killings between Black students, and doesn't count them as the same as mass killings meant to bring notoriety, and usually, a gory way of committing suicide by cop, after, for the white spree killers.
It links to an article that goes into more depth: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-kimmel/the-unbearable-whiteness-_2_b_2350931.html
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This new phenomenon of suicide-by-mass-murder has emerged as a corollary to the earlier suicide-by-cop as a phenomenon of those whose real goal is, at least in part, to kill themselves -- and to take out as many of "them" as possible on the way. And this seems to be an entirely white male thing.
In urban settings, when young men of color experience that same sense of aggrieved entitlement - that perception of victimhood despite everything men expect for themselves - they may react violently, and even with lethal violence. But the victims of their violence are usually those whom the shooter believes have wronged him, and the unintended and accidental victims caught in the line of fire. And it rarely ends with his suicide.
White men, on the other hand, have a somewhat more grandiose purpose: they want to destroy the entire world in some cataclysmic, video-game, and action movie-inspired apocalypse. If I'm going to die, then so is everybody else, they seem to say. Yes, of course, this is mental illness speaking: but it is mental illness speaking with a voice that has a race and a gender.
One must feel a sense of aggrieved entitlement to pick up a gun and go on a rampage, yes. But that sense of aggrieved entitlement must also be grandiose if you are going to make them all pay.
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1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)brer cat
(24,574 posts)I have never thought through mass killings that way.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)And it was not well received in GD. I will try to find it again.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)But not even all by half.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Ugh. Sorry!
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)I went through that list that was posted upthread. It would appear that the rate of instances is quite close to the demographics.
The rate of instances / % of Population
46 - White = 64.7% / 63.7%
10 - Black = 14% / 13.8%
6 - Asian = 8.4% / 4.1%
1 - Native American = 1.4% / .8%
4 - Latino = 5.6% / 16.3
What bugs me the most about the list is the majority of those found to have prior mental health illnesses, that and the majority of those who obtained their guns legally.
randys1
(16,286 posts)funds for those departments in his state.
The real enemy is clear, folks.
And it sure as hell isnt some asshole who goes off half cocked and shoots a couple people, while that is terrible and disgusting, he is a symptom of what is going on, not the cause.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)whom I suppose you would call random.
Come on now.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)IOWs, I shoot at rival gang member, Crip McBlood, but miss and hit the 4 year old playing with her football ... is different from me, intentionally, shooting at everyone on the block, regardless of who they are. That's what I mean be random.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)of across nation deaths and not all white?
a question. but that is what i read. am i totally wrong?
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)http://abcnews.go.com/US/navy-yard-shooter-aaron-alexis-expected-killed/story?id=20373025
He must have been reading newsmax or the other site owned by the founders of DU. Cray craaaaaaaaay!
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)He was up at NUWC Newport and filed complaints that a family followed him from the airport to his hotel and was blasting him with ELF waves. The base medical had him sent home to Norfolk. The contractor he worked for then said "hey, he isn't making us money" and sent him to the Navy Yard.
This one is really personal. I worked in Building 197 at one time.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He was killing (or using his young accomplice to do the killing) in what seemed like a 'random' fashion, in order to eventually get to her, so the prosecutor theorized. I think he might have been correct.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Muhammad
Kurska
(5,739 posts)You just hear about White ones more, because the Media has a fascination with pretty white female victims and serial killers generally strike within their own race.