In a teeny-tiny way, in some of the "discussions" I've been having lately, I'm starting to get an inkling

[pnwmom]

of how frustrated AA people must be feeling almost every day.

I fully realize that my excursions into GD-Primaries and GD aren't exactly life threatening, so I don't want to minimize what you go through by making the comparison. Still . . .

I just want to say . . . . sorry!!!

[murielm99]

1. I second your post.

Mostly, I just read there, to try to learn something. I don't feel I have much to add.

[mcar]

9. It's what I do too muriel

I've learned so much since I started visiting the AA group.

[GitRDun]

2. The lack of self reflection and self righteousness is simply stunning

Classic group think..piling on..

I've come to the conclusion it's getting to the point where so few reflect and consider you're just trying to fight a rising tide with a bucket full of holes.

Nothing but catastrophic defeat will force any reflection.

[Number23]

3. "Classic group think..piling on.." and of course hidden posts

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=26746

[GitRDun]

4. Lol welcome to Bernie Central

[gollygee]

6. That hide is equivalent to

putting your hands in your ears and saying, "LA LA LA I can't hear you!"

Ridiculous.

[randys1]

11. AFrican AMericans arent welcome in the Democratic Party...pretty much

unless you accept that us whites know what is best for you, then maybe.

OR

The people chasing Black folks and white supporters off this board are NOT Democrats.

I simply cant fucking believe your post was hidden in AfAm group, it didnt deserve to be hidden at all, let alone here.

This is insane.

But it will NOT be stopped.

i better watch what i say...have 4 hides now, all but one about racism

[Number23]

21. I just wish these folks would trash this forum. That's all I want

There are people here who have made it ABUNDANTLY clear they don't care about us or our opinions. Some have even declared war on this forum because we refuse to swear fealty to a certain candidate.

The alert rules on posts are very clear: "This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate."

There was nothing rude, disruptive or inappropriate about my response from one black poster to another one who expressed dismay at the behavior of some of the supporters of a particular presidential candidate. And as I noted, that person is one of a long, long, LONG line of people, groups and movements that have expressed similar dismay/disgust about this same crowd.

Trying to shut up the truth doesn't do one damn thing towards making it any less true.

[randys1]

28. I come from a posting world where hiding posts was so rare I could count on one

hand the number of times as a mod I would do it in a month.

You cant have rightwingers hiding liberals posts on a liberal message board, complete insanity

[JustAnotherGen]

5. I personally thank you

For seeing this.

[MrScorpio]

7. The need to step away from oneself is paramount to see

Black people in this country have been forced to step outside of our own skin since day one. But when we refuse to what most unwitting beneficiaries of white supremacy rarely do, then we're the ones with the problem.

Black lives matter unconditionally. Some will understand that fact, but most will choose not to.

They've been taught to think that everything is all about them and their own vision of what is normal.

[steve2470]

8. +1 nt

[tishaLA]

24. that first paragraph is perfection

[yardwork]

10. I'm seeing this too.

I see bullying. I see condescension. I see right wing trolls and stupid white people who don't recognize how their own behavior is hurting their candidate and hurting the Democrats.

I see arrogant white cis straight male privilege.

[steve2470]

12. [phone] nt

[Spazito]

13. Yes, I am seeing the same...

well said.

[pnwmom]

15. Huge amounts of condescension. Totally clueless. n/t

[MrScorpio]

18. It's all there to be seen

All one has to do is open their own eyes.

[zappaman]

19. Agree with all of this.

[Starry Messenger]

20. "I see arrogant white cis straight male privilege."

Same here. I think they've been getting it in bulk this month.

[stevenleser]

22. You can see it in the list of folks with forced vacations and the list who have had

Forced vacations but are now back, in terms of Bernie critics. Overwhelmingly either women, African American or LGBT.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118724852

[betsuni]

27. This right here in a nutshell. nt

[kwassa]

14. I commend you for your attempts to explain things to them.

Many are a completely unreceptive audience, not willing to open their minds to other possibilities, no matter how calm and rational the argument.

I can only take GDP in small doses before my blood pressure soars.

[pnwmom]

16. Thank you, kwassa. I'm trying.

[lovemydog]

23. +1

[steve2470]

17. I call it "under the radar racism" or unconscious racism or partially-conscious racism

They are all bad. Some of these white people are just totally clueless.

[aikoaiko]

25. I thought about making an OP here, but perhaps its better that I follow this OP.

I'm someone whom members of this group have said that I "don't get it." I think that's a fair assessment at times.

Nevertheless, I appreciate the opportunity to engage and learn from members of this group. I think you'd be surprised how much change is happening from discussions of racism during this primary season. I regret that African Americans have been hurt by the things I've written (and things others have written).

I write this post to encourage those who are still willing to engage people like me.

I recognize that its not anyone's job to educate me, but I do appreciate those who are willing to discuss issues of racism with me. I try not to engage people who don't seem interested in conversing with me.

[pnwmom]

26. I think the BLMers made a lot of us think harder about the issues.

And I'm glad they'll continue to do so.