African American
Related: About this forumThe US Has been spying on US for awhile now
http://colorlines.com/archives/2010/09/charges_that_a_civil_rights_hero_was_an_fbi_spy_shouldnt_shock_us.htmlWho knows what motivated Ernest Withers, if the reports are indeed true, to use his access to the civil rights movements inner circles to aid the FBI and undermine the movement. Was it naivete, fear, greed or a combination of all three? Whatever the motives, his case is not unique.
Anyone interested in a glimpse into the extensive FBI surveillance of 1960s black leaders and activists, and many others, can go to the electronic reading room of the FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) section on FBI.gov. Commonly requested files are online. Searching Dr. Kings name yields tens of thousands of documents. Others who were secretly investigated by the FBI include: United Farm Workers leader Ceasar Chavez; the venerable scholar, writer and activist, W.E. B. DuBois; and even the Black contralto, Marian Anderson. The agency cast its net widely.
Perhaps the best contemporary parallel to rampant and often unchecked governmental surveillance of activists in the 1960s is the current and persistent hype about the threat of terrorism. There remains much fear-mongering about domestic terroristslurking in sleeper cells, living next door, waiting to leap into action to cause untold havoc and mayhem at any moment. This kind of hysteria recruits spies, some who might have only their suspicions to offer, suspicions often animated by racism and xenophobia. Since 9/11, Arab Americans and American Muslims have suffered some of the results of overzealous citizen spying. We know that there was also illegal warrantless eavesdropping on U.S. peace groups in recent years by the National Security Agency. And Democracy Now! and other alternative media reported in June that the State Department is reviving its domestic spying program under a new name, replacing the TALON (Threat and Local Observation Notice), which was deemed illegal and shut down several years ago.
Just for shits and giggles do it - in bold. It's mind boggling.
Now all of a sudden it's a tragedy? Reminds me of an Eminem lyric. That's why I'm a cynic about the outrage.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Take an important issue, use it to scream insults at everyone who disagrees with you ("fascist!" and the nom du jour "AUTHORITARIAN!!1"
have the same crowd that have screamed their throats bloody over EVERY SINGLE THING this president has done lead the charge, complete with "K&R if you don't like surveillance!one" threads and then use all of this to convince the entire world (or the 300 that have ever heard of DU) of how this proves beyond all doubt how Obama is a liar, con man, Republican lite etc. etc. etc.
There is a reason there ain't no star next to name anymore and hasn't been for a looooong time.
JustAnotherGen
(31,869 posts)Just because I was born in Weisbaden. Hmph. Hair flip.
But I welcome the Good German slurs. If it means I think highly of Barack Obama.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Or is hubby teaching you some of that I-talian??
JustAnotherGen
(31,869 posts)Only one in the family past the age of four that did NOT speak German! I can do the basics - but to THINK in German? No freaking way!
I still need to polish The Gio's english up before I go full on eye-talian! Just this morning he screwed up Sensible and Sensitive again - but at least it wasn't about something I said. No good comes of that.
Number23
(24,544 posts)TOTALLY fluent, spoke no other language than German until she was about 7. Then they moved to the States and I kid you not, within five years ALL of that German was gone.
What's so funny is that when I knew her, she was mid-30s. Not only does she not speak German, she doesn't understand A SINGLE WORD of it even though it was the ONLY language she spoke for the first 7 years of her life. Isn't that wild??
Just this morning he screwed up Sensible and Sensitive again
Ruh-roh! But there could be far worse screw ups! Hubby better "master" the language before it "masters" him!!
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)seems that when it was MLK and Malcolm X, it was ok that those American citizens were under surveillance.
If it is ok if the target is a brown skinned American, then it's ok if the target is a white skinned American... If it's not ok if the target is a white skinned American, then it's not OK for any other kind of American to be spied on.
JustAnotherGen
(31,869 posts)In some cases - how we shrug shoulders.
It's not just us - think about what Middle Easterners and Muslims have experienced these past 12 years.
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)when it happens to "them", it's ok....
when it happens to "us", it's a problem that cannot be born.
carolinayellowdog
(3,247 posts)it's both the totality and the efficiency of the surveillance that has everyone freaked out so much, the old "first they came for..." story. They came for us all, they got us all, and now we can't undo it but only struggle to contain it-- that's a lot to process.
JustAnotherGen
(31,869 posts)Someone without President Obama's credentials (history of excellence and achievement) has this much "power" to disrupt and get him taken out by his own party. All he (Snowden) had to say was "might" and convince people it was new and the sky is falling.
This was not breaking news recently - It was breaking news in 2006 - and part of why I was pissed that Pelosi refused to impeach Bush.
http://yahoo.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm
It was a big deal to me seven years ago - it's not now. It's not chilling, it's not frightening, etc etc.
I'm as numb, cynical, and smirking as ever.