This groups concerns are not even on the radar with certain folks.

[randys1]

It is becoming clearer and clearer by the day that if Bernie is our next president, he will take LOADS of shit if he doesn't SOLELY focus on improving the finances of a very specific segment of our society.

They will not tolerate him doing anything else, this is now clear to me.

The same way they didn't tolerate Obama improving healthcare because he didn't do single payer and he didn't immediately close Gitmo, etc...the list of reasons why he was no longer supported, is long, but not credible.

So if you have concerns that arent linked to overall Wall Street/financial areas, may have to shelve em for a while.

[leftofcool]

1. Yep

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

2. This is quite clear to me. When Bernie is forced to work with a dominant Republican House and Senate

his supporters who were quick to turn their backs against Obama, will do the same to Bernie.

Bernie is even nicer to Republicans and his opponents. If they thought Obama was milquetoast, just wait until Bernie has to compromise and go along to get anything done.

Eyes will be opened.

[JustAnotherGen]

3. If he wins - I give him 90 days

And if he doesn't give his supporters Every Single Thing He Promised -

Unleash the dogs the same way they did on Obama.

And I'm not talking at DU - I'm talking everywhere.

Day 91 I change my avatar here to Obama with "Miss Me Yet" on it.

[randys1]

11. perfect timing

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511004169

[steve2470]

13. I had to vote YES on that

If not President, she would make an excellent Vice President. I'm fine if she wins the nomination.

All the dirt has already been dug up on Secretary Clinton and thrown at her. It has NOT been dug up yet on Senator Sanders, and he will be raked over the coals and called a Communist unceasingly if he wins the primaries. We all know he's not a Communist but low information voters don't know that.

[randys1]

14. I dont know if he has dirt, they will use the socialist thing and then extend that to commie

given their audience are morons.

[steve2470]

15. I don't think he really has dirt

He wrote some "unique" stuff back in the day, but that was over 40 years ago. He's very clean, I think. The Communist thing will be the GOP's leading attack against him, despite the fact it's a bald-faced lie.

[Number23]

16. Steve, Obama didn't have "dirt" either. He was a decent, incredibly intelligent man with a very

interesting and non-traditional family upbringing and the Republicans and far too many on the "left" slimed and shat over everything that man did. He was a Third Way Muslim Socialist Fascist corpo-Dem who was a closeted gay man with a man-hating wife who hated white people even more.

Anyone that thinks that Sanders doesn't have anything these people will not trumpet up and down America, even if they have to lie about it, is kidding themselves. Especially after almost 30 years in Congress. His votes, the fact that he has not even been a Dem for a year, his identifying as a socialist and EVERY DAMN THING ELSE will be dragged though the mud before all of this is over.

[steve2470]

17. yes I'd have to agree

Anything and everything possible including outright lies will be done. They will milk the Communist angle until it bleeds. All his votes will be distorted and lied about.

[Tarheel_Dem]

38. ^^^ THIS ^^^

[Number23]

39. Hey sweet pea!

[Tarheel_Dem]

40. Wassup My Girl? You spoke on that!

[uponit7771]

58. +1

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

42. They also had nothing on Al Gore or John Kerry. As much as they "love the troops", they bashed

both men for their service to this nation, and to this very day, John Kerry has never received an apology for how he was treated.

[Number23]

7. This is what everyone has been saying. This is why so few want to represent "liberals" not

liberals, "liberals" in Congress. They want everything yesterday, nothing is ever good enough and will scream louder than your most psychotic conservative challenger if you don't bow down to their "superior" intellect.

Obama has been HANDS DOWN one of the most liberal presidents this country has had and yet, these imbeciles still scream about what a Third Way corpo-fascist he is. And then they wonder why most folks wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole.

Everyone with any sense has said that regardless of who these people champion, they will turn on at the drop of a hat the MILISECOND whoever the champion is has to govern. And even though they proved everyone right they still act like they have it all figured out.

So who are you supporting, LS? I know that you are still frustrated with the Clintons. Are you Sanders, O'Malley or just pro-whichever Democrat wins like a lot of folks??

[Hortensis]

32. So true. But how much does the yammering of these ones hurt Obama?

Not much, I'm thinking, yet they did help elect him to office initially. Of course they would inevitably feel "betrayed" by a Sanders presidency, reality itself their implacable enemy, but am I wrong in thinking that'd mostly just be their own problem? How much do left wing extremists typically matter after election in the U.S.?

[Number23]

33. Even as far as extremists go, left wing ones don't get much publicity

They seem to live in their own heads far more than they live in anybody else's. The "left" wing nihilists with their "we have to destroy the world in order to rebuild it" are pretty inconsequential.

And of course they'll feel betrayed by a Sanders presidency. The second that man would have to govern, read COMPROMISE, they'd turn on him like a pack of wolves just like they do to every damn body else.

[Hortensis]

35. You know, reading a bunch of postings here

yesterday, as a whole they struck me as clear eyed and down to earth compared to the main forums, notably calm in comparison. Maybe good sense and honesty in politics aren't rare, it's just easy to lose sight of that because self-deluders are ranting their message over most of the rest of DU, and their right-wing counterparts on other forums? Think I'll go read a book.

Rbrnmw, wouldn't blame you, but chances look good that a next, Democratic president will be building on what President Obama started, plus the many black people he appointed to his administration will be moving on to other jobs to continue what their work there. Obama's presidential legacy will continue to develop long after he leaves office. I'm really curious to know what he'll be doing next...

[Number23]

36. There is a post in GDP right now where Sanders has said he won't continue Obama's legacy

and there are people here crowing and braying that this is a good thing.

Yes, the most liberal president this country has had in... forever who has a 80+% approval rating from Democrats and Sanders has said he wants to do a "course correction" and won't continue the man's policies. Not only is this idiotic from a political standpoint, but if Obama has 80% support from Dems and Sanders says he wants to "correct course," isn't that basically him saying that the Dems who support Obama -- which would be the vast majority of Dems -- are wrong? That they need to be "corrected?"

As stupid as most people would find these statements, they are the sweetest nectar to the crowd of folks that swarm on this web site. It says everything about them and why their destructive and clueless version of the "left" has been in the political wilderness for so long.

You know, reading a bunch of postings here yesterday, as a whole they struck me as clear eyed and down to earth compared to the main forums

I can't tell you the number of times I've read people say this about the AA forum. It is the last bastion of common sense on this web site. And you are welcome here.

[Hortensis]

37. Well, no matter the conceits and delusions of some,

the next Democratic president will be in the enviable position of following President Obama. And thank you. This is a nice place to come.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

43. Not much? They hurt him tremendously, and this country. Because the liberals were so pissed at

Obama for not giving them what they wanted within the two years that he was in office, too many stayed home in the most important election of the last 40 years--2010! I will shout this until I die. We will have to live with the ramifications of the 2010 elections for many years to come because our not voting in large enough numbers gave us 31/50 state legislatures ran by Republicans, 29/50 Republican governors, local level judges, school boards and everything else in between---all dominated by Republicans. Not to mention, both houses of Congress forced hostage by crazy tea-bagging racists!!

People were furious with Obama in 2010, so to pay him back, they allow MORE and crazier Republicans to take over. Now they're even angrier at him, which makes ZERO sense, knowing that he really can't get anything done.

Folks simply refuse to use their common sense.

[Hortensis]

48. 2010 was sickening. Of course many bernista types of

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that year would have turned away, even and were a factor, but how MANY of those are there? How much of a factor were they in the setting of the enormous right-wing backlash to the election of a Democratic president, a president who was black, passage of the ACA, declining church membership, etc. How big a problem are they is my question?

BTW, anyone read Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right by Jane Mayer yet? I heard some stories about the Kochs from Mayer on NPR that alarmed me, and I thought I was already more than alarmed enough. Their father was a hard-core authoritarian John Bircher, of course, and he was also a great admirer of Nazism. I'm sending for it now. The Kochs and their allies created the Tea Party movement that swept the elections in 2010, no doubt including some of those we're talking about, and they have been stacking political offices and judgeships with their choices since the 1970s. WRTL and Citizens United are also their achievements.

For where our problems truly lie, I think we need to look farther than fringe types who can be depended on to not be dependable.

I forgot to note that the Kochs et al largely created the anti-government/establishment movements that have caught up the bernistas. Behind very real causes for dissatisfaction is manipulation designed to divert that anger in the wrong directions.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

49. I gotta check out Meyer's book. It's on my very long list of books to read.

I'm willing to bet that there were some Bernistas (like that name), but also a lot of disgruntled Democrats angry at Obama who were not willing to give him a chance--chances that they were patient enough to give to Clinton and other non-black presidents, I might add. I don't care what anyone says. The Black Tax has always been in full effect---this man has had to been over backwards, forwards, had everything thrown at him and then some, and still it hasn't been good enough. Even a good number of black people are blaming this president for everything from persistent poverty to black on black crime to homelessness. Everything is this guy's fault. I simply cannot wait until he leaves office. We've watched him age and look sickly especially during the last two years. He does not look well at all.

[rbrnmw]

34. I am going to miss President Obama and his family

I will probably cry really hard when they leave

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

41. Ya'll know how I feel about the Clintons. I can't stand them with every fiber of my being...

Well, my former governor, O'Malley, is going nowhere so I won't be supporting him.

It'll be Bernie, but I still have a major bone to pick with Bernie and that is still his unwillingness to see (or accept) that race trumps class. But I guess we're losing that argument. People are deliberately being obtuse and ignorant about it. They know the truth but cannot come to terms with that truth and cannot accept it.

Honestly I want to sit out the entire election, but I need to vote for Donna Edwards for the U.S. Senate and against Kathleen Matthews for Congress. I already listen to her on the news every night and her big-mouth husband, Chris ("Tweety&quot Matthews, every damn night. I don't want to have to listen to her run her mouth in the halls of Congress, too! LOL!!

(Of course I'm joking! I would never abstain from voting.)

[Number23]

47. Qwlauren has been boosting Donna Edwards around here alot lately too!

You should definitely look up her threads on Ms. Donna in this forum.

I've gone from really liking Sanders but feeling that he had no chance in hell to being really "meh" about him. His comments that he would be doing a "course correction" and not enhancing or furthering Obama's legacy has just about done it for me.

The first black president who is widely regarded as one of the most liberal we've ever had and has a 80+% level of support from Democrats and you are actually running from him and his record?? What the fuck kind of shit is that?? And not only did he put down Obama with that statement but also the 80+% of Democrats who are apparently too dumb and need to be "corrected" for supporting this president.

Between that, what you mentioned about his inability to discuss anything other than income inequality and the psychotic behavior of too many of his supporters, I think I'm done.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

50. On the night of the 2008 election, all the MD elected Democrats were supposed to celebrate together

at the local Montgomery County hotel. Well, of course, this hotel wasn't fancy enough for Van Hollen to show his face. (Well, maybe he did, but I didn't see him for long and he wasn't approachable if he was there.)

Donna was the ONLY one to really show up and celebrate as the returns came in. I remember when VA came in and we cheered. In my drunken stupor, I ran over to Donna and hugged her and told her how much I loved her. And she gave me a huge hug back and told me how wonderful we were and congratulated us on how hard we worked. It was never about her. It was about us! And we ended up partying for several hours, drinking and having a great time. I will never forget that night--the night Obama won and how much fun we had. And I will never forget how awesome, humble, and amazing she was. I had been a huge fan throughout her career and the major fight to beat the hated conservaDEM Al Wynn. When she finally beat him--and BADLY, too!--people were having Donna parties everywhere! It was great. When I moved from her district, I was so sad. I now have to settle for boring, milquetoast Chris Van Hollen.

I don't know how Donna is doing in the polls. I see Van Hollen signs everywhere, but that could be because I'm in his district. I need to get out and work for Donna now.

[JustAnotherGen]

4. I just read something elsewhere on DU

See -

They are mad as hell and aren't going to take it anymore!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

54. I have the distinct honor of being banned by both the HRC group and the Sanders group!

How's that for an accomplishment?!?!

[JustAnotherGen]

55. I've not been banned by either

I trashed both in the spring because I didn't want to put my words in a place where I could possibly offend.

But good on you! I don't think you are alone.

In the meantime - someone ASSUMED this morning that me not wanting to go back to and FDR Administration was because I'm for Clinton.

I'm dropping it here - has it occured to ANYONE that since I along withe bravenak have been accused of Ageism at DU that I might be 'giving 'em what they want'? That I would lose my LEGAL RIGHT TO OWN MY HOME IN AN FDR ADMINISTRATION?

These people are so selfish and out for themselves.

ETA -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1068868

WTF does Hillary Clinton have to do with my statement he responded to?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

56. It's amazing! If you're not singing the praises of Sanders, you MUST be a Clinton supporter...

...and if you're not towing the Establishment line and bowing down at Queen Hillary's throne, you MUST therefore be a "pie-in-the-sky" Bernie Sanders supporters.

I just want to know what took them so long to ban me. I've been shitting on the Clintons for many years now, and everyone knows it. (I didn't even realize that I had been posting in that group.)

One cannot possibly think outside the box or be an independent, reasonable person. NO!!

What has happened to this Democratic Party? This party was supposed to celebrate difference and rational thinking. Not anymore.

It's becoming just as bad, if not worse than the Republican party.

[JustAnotherGen]

57. Oh - and I often get called to juries in those groups

You would be AMAZED at how much the Democratic Party wants to silence dissenting voices - if you believe the Democratic Party is a DUer.

[JI7]

5. I'm not sure about that. as long as he uses certain rhetoric

They probably won't care. Same way they had no problem with Howard Dean supporting blue dogs.

The funny thing about the Chelsea Clinton attacks on sanders on obamacare its that many if his so called supporters have been wanting to get rid of it and have attacked Obama over it. Sanders never has and he even said that was the only thing possible at the time and defends Obama on this issue.

So it's funny to see them attack chelsea . She did lie but what she said is still what many who attack her wanted.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

44. I was talking about this with a friend the other day because I used to have arguments with Obama

haters, and I would bring up the fact that Howard Dean was damn near a member of the DLC. In fact, he was not really that liberal while governor. He may have done some liberal things because the state he represents is more libertarian.

When I would bring up Dean, they wouldn't care; they just wanted to attack and hate Obama, which is why many of us believe that unconscious or even subconscious racism was a factor there.

[The Polack MSgt]

6. I sincerely hope

That the kind of coalition which would have to form to get Bernie into the Oval office in the first place would counterbalance the dissatisfaction you're talking about.

The dissatisfaction faction is going to howl no matter what.

To them real life, compromise, deal making - these are all signs of impure thought and weak belief.

I hate the Tea Baggers not only because I believe that they are wrong on policy, but also because they demonize their opponents and consider compromise betrayal. That isn't the attitude that you need to sustain Democracy - That is the thinking of Autocracy/Authoritarianism

The Right wing doesn't have a monopoly on that type of thinking, unfortunately.

Of course If Bernie doesn't win the howling, rending of clothes and gnashing of teeth would be deafening.

I pity my poor puppy when I even contemplate the volume of the dog whistles that would be in use.

Peace

[JustAnotherGen]

22. I'm more worried about Trump

My husband thinks I should vote prior to the election and we should head out of the country the Sunday before.

He doesn't want me here whether Trump wins or loses - due to his angry violent fan boys and and girls.

[randys1]

29. Smart. I can assure you the cons, the right, are violent and angry. They have been fit to be

tied since Obama was elected.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

45. I'm LESS worried about Trump than the other Republicans. Cruz is much more dangerous because

he believes the shit he spews. I think Donald Trump is a liar. He is socially liberal and always was. He is more of a conservative Democrat (who, coincidentally loved the Clintons) than he is a Republican. At least he's pro-choice and won't try to fool around with that or gay marriage. Cruz is an ideologue. All of them are dangerous, but Cruz is an absolute nutcase!

[Coolest Ranger]

8. They will beg for our votes

but then tell us to shut up while we be ignored, again

[JI7]

9. The reaction to Eric holder endorsing Clinton

Shoes how out of touch they are with minority communities .

It is very possible Sanders will win iowa snd new hampshire. But south carolina is where he could end it for Clinton. But they seem to be doing all they can to turn off voters to him there.

[randys1]

10. I pointed out they should not be attacking the Democratic First AfAm Aty Genl but

they arent hearing a word of it.

Criticize him sure, he has many flaws, no doubt

But they just hate him and they dont do nuance very well.

They dont compare him to past and so on.

[Number23]

20. Absolutely it does.

The reaction to Eric holder endorsing Clinton

Shoes how out of touch they are with minority communities

And they couldn't care less.

[1StrongBlackMan]

60. The Holder and John Lewis endorsement of Clinton ...

and the Cornell West and Killer Mike endorsement of Bernie, provides a complete picture of how out of touch they are with the Black community.

But you are correct, they couldn't care less about being out of touch.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

46. Holder was appointed by Bill Clinton. He probably feels some allegiance to them.

In fact (and sadly) I think a lot of the members of the CBC who came in during the Clinton era in 1992--they were elected during the Wave of Progressivism in that election year, feel indebted to the Clintons. That's why many of them supported Hillary over Obama. It made me so angry but I understood it. Many of them are still serving in Congress and still feel allied with the Clintons despite Bill's horrible policies.

[kwassa]

12. DU members have strong and individual agendas.

and berate those other DU that have different agendas. Priorities vary. And if your concern doesn't appear in their agenda, it doesn't exist for them.

[SusanCalvin]

18. I'm afraid you may be right. nt

[JustAnotherGen]

21. I don't perceive him as an outsider at all

I'm in my early 40's - he's been in Washington D.C. (first as a member of the house) since I was in High School.

[JustAnotherGen]

24. Where in my post did I say that?

He's been in Washington DC since 1990.

He's not new.

I'm not voting for him - so go shove this nonsense down someone's throat in GD.

[JustAnotherGen]

28. Bye!

[Coolest Ranger]

30. Ever notice

they ant to have a "Civil discussion" with us but then they start making these bogus charges and start with the insults?

[JustAnotherGen]

31. Truthfully?

Im waiting for Number23 to come here and chastise me for only reading the first 3 sentences of the post and responding!

She has a laser like ability to hone in on when I've done this!



ETA:

[zappaman]

25. Exactly.

[LiberalArkie]

26. There is one thing we really learned from the Obama administration is that you can offer to

hang the Republicans with a new rope and they will still fight you.

[Quayblue]

51. I recently saw an inference

That AAs here care about social justice "only" because some of us are relatively well-to-do, thus we need not care about economic justice in our communities.

This is the furthest thing from the truth. What we DO realize is systemic racism is what prevents economic equality in our communities. Environmental racism, public health disparities, voter disenfranchisement, all play a part in this shit. I have family members RIGHT NOW, living in Flint and Detroit, and happy to get a job paying $12 an hour. And it's because how fucked up the Rust Belt is in general due to Republicans' fucked up policies and racist agenda. My family migrated here to work for good money, now most of the children are struggling because jobs were taken out of these communities and sent to other brown folks who will work for less money.

Racist thoughts cannot be legislated, period. We can make it rain with the money, but unless we have a cultural shift against prejudiced AND paternalistic/maternalistic thought processes, no amount of money is gonna change shit.

And hey yall. I left here for a while because I was uncharacteristically angry at some of the stuff I was reading, and needed to take a break to focus on my children's mastery program at a new school and my new career.

[randys1]

52. Excellent response, great to see you again!

[Quayblue]

70. Thanks!!

And great to see your posts here!

Just you being open, keeps me somewhat optimistic.

[1StrongBlackMan]

61. I get that all the time ...

"You're affluent so you really don't care about your Black brothers and sisters that you have left behind economically."

It is just crazy that pointing out the solutions to their problems are not the solutions to our problems (outside of this Group), will inevitably lead to them getting angry/dismissive and/or them name-calling.

[Quayblue]

63. I saw that

And I'm about to use one of their words: divisive. But we won't be divided. And it's fucked up that you or anyone else has been told this. We know better...And we will see how things turn out.

Part of my educational drive had and still has to do with seeing how the system is set up.

Part of me driving my children and my extended family the way I do is due to how the system is set up.

And a large part of it (also) is empathy and being in it for the long haul because none of what we have now is due to overnight changes and quite frankly, never will be. Who would I, or any of us black folks be, to abandon and talk down to those of us who have not been through this portion of the system, to be where we are now??? Truly, wtf.

It's insulting to be patronized, talked down to, and surrounded by people who think we are simple-minded and don't pay attention to the shit that goes on in America, regardless of educational level, money, and whatever else comprises the American dream.

I give y'all so much credit for hanging in there because I don't compartmentalize like y'all. It's definitely a gift.

[1StrongBlackMan]

65. LOL ... Before I respond to your post; let me add ...

It is just crazy that pointing out the solutions to their problems are not the solutions to our problems (outside of this Group), will inevitably lead to them getting angry/dismissive and/or them name-calling, followed quickly by them reiterating how big an ally to Black folks they are.

I'm about to use one of their words: divisive. But we won't be divided.

It is another hint that their only real connection to the Black community is limited to (as my good friend, DSB says) "the guy that sells them their weed" Because as JAG has, repeatedly, posted: anyone that is intimate enough to have been invited to a Black family event (making them knowledgeable/connected enough to comment on what Black folks might think), would see, Cousin University Employee with the PhD., throwing bones the Nephew Fry Cook with the GED (attained while doing his 3rd stretch); and, Auntie 6-figure Corporate Administrator wobbling with Nicey 3 kids, going to Nail Tech School; and, all of them laughing at Uncle Pretentious and his new love, Betty Betterthan.

[Quayblue]

71. I seriously shed some laughter tears reading this.

This is sooooo true.

I'm gonna be presumptuous here, but cookouts, beauty salons, barbershops, the corner sto' AND the corner people discuss politics all damn day long, and if people would take the time and lose the fear, stroll into any of these ciphers we have, they'd experience the depth of the conversations.

Even though some of us (and old folks of any color) may just have smart phones and not FIOS and shit, we're pretty savvy when it comes to information gathering. When it was illegal for black folk to read, we still found a way.

I just be sitting back and watching the foolishness, like my Mother, rest her Soul, would say.

[Number23]

69. Standing ovation

Well said, Quayblue!

Part of me driving my children and my extended family the way I do is due to how the system is set up.

And a large part of it (also) is empathy and being in it for the long haul because none of what we have now is due to overnight changes and quite frankly, never will be. Who would I, or any of us black folks be, to abandon and talk down to those of us who have not been through this portion of the system, to be where we are now??? Truly, wtf.

Good LORD you nailed it.

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING on this web site says to me "I have never known any black people" better than this small cadre of loud mouthed simpletons that ride 1SB's and other folks' ass because they are not living in the ghetto. NOTHING.

Because black folks know that black folks of ALL stripes go through hell and back. The freaking UN has openly suggested that America look at reparations! http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=53124#.Vq_th7J96Uk Do you think that the UN would turn its nose up and say that middle class and upper middle class blacks haven't experienced PROFOUND racism and racial discrimination, likely at every level of their professional and educational career?

The vast majority of upper middle class black folks didn't have shit handed to them. They usually got where they are from working their natural asses off and doing just what you're doing with your own children -- riding them like a ferris wheel! Making DAMN sure that they understand that being black is still an impediment today, that they STILL have to work twice as hard to get half as far. The day will come when this will no longer be true but we ain't nowhere near there yet.

And to make it so bad, most black women will tell you that they are taking care of their own children, their mamas and/or daddies, their brother's kids, their neice's kid, half the damn neighborhood because of the racism and discrimination that still results in alot of our people having children and being unable to care for them, puts too many black men behind bars and keeps too many of our folks un and under-employed. We need to be making every damn dollar that we can because our whole damn community is riding on us.

So I've got no time for the mouthbreathers that have "decided" that more educated/affluent black folks don't know what it means to be black and that THEY do just because they are broke as hell. The fact that this is probably one of the most ignorant, and offensive things that gets tossed around DU truly speaks to how ridiculous this place is now. And it's particularly egregious when you take into consideration that one of the biggest Obama and America hating black people here, actually tried to use MLK to REGULARLY attack this president, was lauded by this same crowd and by every account, she had more money than all of us put together. These people can all go straight to hell.

[Quayblue]

72. thank you!

The cherry-picking is beyond amusing.

I saw a dig on T. Coates because he didn't finish his degree, in a thread lauding Killer Mike...who also didn't finish his degree. And then reading here today, and I forget who made the point, as I've just gotten into the habit of bookmarking... If President Obama wasn't an experienced J.D., hmmm.

And Lawd knows I'm not chiding folks for not finishing degrees. That's a whoooole 'nother subject. But the nitpicking is awesome. It's so safe to listen to black folks who agree regardless of credentials being vetting (another key word here) but dare any others of us dissent.

The shit that goes on is so utterly complex within the silliness. As my mother would say, I'm just gonna sit back and watch the foolishness.

[Number23]

73. Yep! That's why Frenchie's post noting the discrepancies got a dozen high fives

That Obama had to be pris FUCKING stine with a Harvard law degree and the beyond perfect resume to get the same level of respect that Sanders gets with a BA from I don't even know where and 30 fairly uneventful years in Congress. And to be honest, the people who have disrespected Obama so much while falling over themselves to praise Sanders will never realize how they look. They will just never get it.

The shit that goes on is so utterly complex within the silliness. As my mother would say, I'm just gonna sit back and watch the foolishness.

Your mama sounds like a very wise woman!

[Quayblue]

74. oh yes Frenchie!!

Speaking that truth.

I'm all over the place around here lol.

Thanks!

[Number23]

53. Check out GDP. We're "on the radar" so much as the radar means pro-Sanders and nothing else

People have posted that same "African Americans are BERRRRRNING for Sanders" video at least 5 other times on DU. Do you think there is an award for the number of times it can get posted? And I love how it is always trumpeted whenever the latest polls/articles show his support in minority communities. It's like that cherry picked MLK quote that just kept coming up over and over again like a vampire.

And the OP with some radio host castigating the black community for "making Sanders jump through hoops" is just sickening. We are "allowed" by our betters to scream about Hillary's BS during the 2008 campaign and Bill's policies on the prison industrial complex until the cows come home but ANYTHING that so much as questions Sanders and his commitment to the black community is black folks "making the man jump through hoops". I haven't seen the video and I'm not going to, but I have no doubt if that radio host could see exactly who was jumping up and down and high fiving over his video, he'd be doing some SERIOUS second guessing of himself and who his allies are.

It's been a hysterical last few days. But I have to say that the cherry on top was the folks posting Killer Mike's poorly spelled and even more poorly thought out Tweets in "refutation" of T Coates' incredibly intelligent and thought provoking piece. These people out themselves more and more by the second and adorably, they seem to be the only people that don't understand that.

[JustAnotherGen]

59. If you work for me

Yes - I require you to jump through hoops.

If you are applying for a job with me - that's a really tough interview.

Why is a Presidential candidate any different?

[1StrongBlackMan]

62. Well ...

I haven't seen the video and I'm not going to, but I have no doubt if that radio host could see exactly who was jumping up and down and high fiving over his video, he'd be doing some SERIOUS second guessing of himself and who his allies are.

I doubt that ... In that video, he was saying that he initially agreed with TNC questioning of "Why draw the unreasonable line at reparations?" Atlantic piece ... until he began talking to others and really thought about it.

[Number23]

64. And you know what? I get that. I really do

There are alot of incredibly intelligent black people that aren't sold on reparations so if he's one of them, I don't hold that against him.

But I still think that if he could take a peek in GDP and see the caliber of the folks that were whooping it over his radio spiel -- though if I'm not mistaken, it wasn't even that many and it appeared to be the worst of the worse. I think that thread only had about 50-60 recs which kind of tells you all you need to know -- he would have thought long and hard about the position he was taking.

[1StrongBlackMan]

66. Nope ... His beef wasn't about his support for or opposition to reparations ...

his beef can be summed up with, "What about Hillary? No fair!!!!"

[Number23]

67. Oh, I see

Well, that certainly explains the folks kicking and a'recing that tripe. I would have been terribly surprised if a deep thinking brother would have gotten any kudos from that crowd.

[1StrongBlackMan]

68. And, BTW, the guy has an internet radio show, shot from what looked like his Den ...

if that matters.

And, he was really mad that TNC would even ask the question of the progressive guy and not HRC.