Why do you guys think so many white voters are voting for Trump?

[JustAnotherGen]

*Posted in the African American Group*

Trump has boasted he has us as a solid voting block - but that's not the case.


Fact check: Trump and the black vote
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/02/24/fact-check-trump-and-black-vote/80863480/

From the article

He lied about the black unemployment rate to his supporters:

• Trump claimed “African American youth is 58% unemployed.” The official unemployment rate for blacks ages 16 to 19 in January was 25.2%.

He lies to white people about black people supporting him:

• Trump said a “recent poll” showed 25% of blacks support him in a hypothetical race against Hillary Clinton. That “recent poll” is actually from September. Six recent polls, all taken in February, show his support ranges from 4% to 12%.

He doesn’t understand the Obama effect and is low balling the number of black people that have voted Republican since the beginning of the Reagan Era;

• Trump said Republican presidential candidates “usually get about 4% or 5%” of black support. That was the case in 2008 and 2012, when Barack Obama — the nation’s first black president — was on the ballot. But from 1980 to 2004, the Republican candidate received 8% to 12%, which is consistent with Trump’s support among blacks.

Why are white people being hoodwinked by what he says? Why are they looking for affirmation from black Americans for supporting this racist piece of shit used car salesman?

[MADem]

1. I don't want to stereotype white people, but I do think he attracts a subset of racists who

happen to be white. These people are "working men" (and women--but the men are the biggest bloviators), they're "entrepreneurs"--meaning they own or are part of the small business community, they feel like those (fill in the blank with your favorite ethnic/religious minority) are "getting over" and "getting all the free stuff" and they want the free stuff for themselves, and if they can't have that, they don't want ANYONE to have the free stuff. They are terribly ignorant, the sort of people who think that wrestling is real. It is a lot like that film Idiocracy!

[JustAnotherGen]

4. Wait -

Wrestling isn't real?

[mercuryblues]

8. Also look

at the runner ups in the primary, Rubio and Cruz. For the voters you are talking about Trump is their only choice.

I am at a loss on the "record turnout" the republicans are reporting.

[etherealtruth]

2. Name recognition

On a non-snarking note ... when the KKK endorses your candidacy, it should tell you something

[JustAnotherGen]

3. ErichBloodAxe was right!

It IS KKK guys dressing up as Trump Supporters!

He rocks!

[vdogg]

5. ....

[Recursion]

6. White males are the one group that has seen a pay cut over the past 4 decades

The causes for this are complex and multi-faceted and would require hours to explain, hours that voters don't have time to give you.

And unfortunately if you can effectively assign blame on that, as Trump does, you can get a lot of white males to support you. Hmm... now whom else does that remind me of...?

[JustAnotherGen]

7. That's silly though

Couldn't the white males just find a woman who makes good money to settle down with?

[Recursion]

9. Well, look at the pining here for the days when one earner could support a family

That worked back when good paying jobs were set aside for white guys



I mean I guess Trump's support is just kind of an unfortunate side of the white id.

[JustAnotherGen]

12. My friend KGC

Supports her husband and two kids. He's a white guy - former NYC cop - disabled after 9/11. . . I don't see why everyone can't just swallow their ID like Allen and find a nice lady who makes six figures.

Love Recursion! LOVE is the answer!

[Recursion]

35. Hey, it definitely worked for me

I can't praise being a kept man enough... it's awesome.

[virgogal]

29. So who has the good paying jobs now?

[Recursion]

37. Stockbrokers? Pro baseballers?

I don't think labor pays (or for that matter can pay) like it used to. We need to find a better way for people to get stuff than selling their labor for money, becayse there aren't enough things for people to do.

[bettyellen]

22. Oh shit, I LOVE YOU GEN!!! LOL.

[awoke_in_2003]

39. Also, white males...

realize the demographics are changing, and it scares them. They are used to holding the political power, and it is slipping away. As a white male, I see that (losing political power) as a good thing, because some of us have been fucking things up for far too long.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

10. Backlash against a black president. This country is racist as fuck.

[KitSileya]

25. That is true. When nearly 20% of Trump supporters disapprove of the Emancipation Proclamation

That says quite a bit. Now we are hoping that those 20% aren't 20 percent of half the voting public - after all, we hope that the majority of voters will vote for the Democratic candidate, it's still quite disturbing. Literally, they said they disapproved when asked about President Lincoln freeing the slaves in rebellious states. You can't make that sh!t up.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

11. He peddles racist claims about the black crime rate. Even when checked, he continues to lie.

We know that he's winning due to the racism in this country. He is appealing to the baser instincts of American whites. His hate and disdain for blacks and Latinos are on display and white folk--particularly white men--are eating it up. They especially (white men) believe that they are the victim. No matter how much they complain, they are more likely than black men with greater education and experience, to obtain good jobs and make more money.

The people who vote for Trump are the same ones involved in the Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) movement.

[JustAnotherGen]

13. How do we get through to them

Why can't they see they only harm themselves with their racist beliefs?

Do you think - maybe . . .

They think Clinton is more of a racist than Trump so they don't want to appear to be TOO racist?

*play along*

[ismnotwasm]

14. Perhaps this voting against their own self interest

Is a version of the well know condition of admiring/loving/defending the person who controls one's environment in all ways. Trump is the commonly accepted societal example of power, in matters of race, gender, wealth. That he is also a manipulative socio-path just sets the cat in amoung the pigeons, so to speak. White voters that are Trump supporters are apparently low information voters who have been trained to vote against self interest, resulting in a kind of helplessness in decision making.

Ahem.

[JustAnotherGen]

15. I think you've really hit on something here!

They have like - a weird stockholm syndrome thing going on . . .

[ismnotwasm]

16. Right?

Its difficult to put into words really, but this voting against their own self interests, this attraction to a man who clearly is a narcissist if not a sociopath most likely has a deep psychological explanation. I wonder if it has something to do with how they are raised?

[JustAnotherGen]

17. Possibly

Especially if they were raised in authoritarian middle class households.

[ismnotwasm]

18. Perhaps single -adult family though

What with the divorce rate and all. Working Mom, Dad paying--or not paying child support

http://divorce.lovetoknow.com/Divorce_Statistics_Republicans_vs._Democrats

[JustAnotherGen]

19. Or dad paying very little in child support

White men have the lowest wages of anyone - or at least lower than what they were in 1980.

[ismnotwasm]

20. Exactly!

It seems that a large number of white people can be easily deceived.

[JustAnotherGen]

31. I just wish

They would take their blinders off and see him for what he is - a corrupt liar.

[rbrnmw]

21. kick

[bettyellen]

23. Batshit crazy people who are blinded by one thing - $$$$. And afraid women or POC are getting too

much for their tastes.

[JustAnotherGen]

27. I wonder if these people

Are as poor as they pretend to be at his rallies?

I bet they a lot are welfare cheats. Or at least people who do things to take - like those Bundy fellows.

[rbrnmw]

41. welfare cheats and white thugs probably deal drugs

poorly educated. They come from areas with a high percentage of white on white crime.

[kwassa]

24. Many white men would like to be Donald Trump.

They could be loud, stupid, and boorish in public, say whatever they like, fly around in a jet with their name on it, have beautiful young wives, live in penthouses and mansions, and have lots and lots of money.

Another part of the appeal: Politicians who thump their chests a lot, if they are white, are behaving in the appropriate male manner, and are also popular.

[JustAnotherGen]

26. Now that makes sense too

All of it.

The greedy part makes extra a special sense.

If Donald Trump loses he should bring back Lifestyles Of the Rich and Famous but to network television.

That show would do really well with his base.

[Starry Messenger]

28. They aren't thinkers.

They are just attracted to power and are easily swayed. Poor gentle creatures.

[JustAnotherGen]

30. Hey this is DU

We can smear and do personal attacks on Trump supporters since he's running as a Republican.

That said - they just aren't thinkers. They want someone else (Trump) to do all the hard work so they can get all the credit.

Lazy is as Lazy Does.

This keeps me up at night. I'm really worried about America and our freedoms if he becomes President.

[Starry Messenger]

32. I think it would be like Franco coming to power.

If Trump got a bite at 2 or more Supreme Court picks, we can all kiss our asses goodbye. I too stare up at the ceiling at night. I don't understand progressives saying they don't care about any of that. These guys will roll back every single win we've ever had, right down to lunch breaks, if they get to drive the car.

[JustAnotherGen]

33. Trump should start saying

Are there no work houses?!?!?

That would touch their hearts in places unknown.

[Kind of Blue]

34. I think for all of the above but mostly

I believe they think Trump has the balls to actually "strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger." You know, violence if he needs to. I don't think they're really looking for affirmation, just need to put it out there, because as said, Zora Neale once said, "They'll kill you and say you liked it." Just twisted convoluted super illogic as an excuse to do bodily harm.

[randys1]

40. Many white folks truly believe were it not for POC and immigrants, etal, their

lives would be better.

They simply dont believe the greed of people like Trump has any impact on their daily lives.

They also believe that Trump may be willing to actually harm POC and so on, like you say, so that really appeals to them.

It appeals to others as well who wont admit it.

[betsuni]

36. Americans love a bullshitter.

The more politically incorrect his bullshit is, the more relieved and giddy his fans are. Power bullshit.

[kwassa]

44. Ain't that the truth.

[zappaman]

38. Stockholm Syndrome?

[radical noodle]

43. Good one! eom

[radical noodle]

42. it's difficult to understand

I have a friend who is an independent. She picks a favorite on both sides and then chooses one in the course of the GE. She is a social liberal and fiscal conservative. She isn't fond of the religion that's crept into Republican politics over the years and is pro-choice. She pays close attention to all the debates and town halls and some media coverage. She prefers Donald Trump over any of the other Republicans. She has picked Hillary as her choice for the Democrats. At some point she will choose between the two before November. She thinks Donald Trump is acting the part to get the votes he needs. He's saying what he needs to say to get attention and grab votes from the others. She likes the way he takes down the other Republicans who she has no use for. She's seen the things he's said previously and believes that he isn't nearly as conservative as he's saying he is. I think she will ultimately vote for Hillary in the GE if Trump doesn't change his stance on the issues of deportation of Latinos and Muslims, or his obvious distaste for anything other than those like himself.

Most of the other people I know who support him are GOP to the core and would vote for Hitler if he was running as a Republican. The other choices are so bad, they think Trump is refreshing.

I think he's a dangerous blowhard.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

45. From Sam Sedar...

[JI7]

46. because he is going to get rid of Racism

racism against white men . it was meant to be somewhat of a joke but i think there is a lot of truth to it.