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F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 03:01 AM Jun 2016

Some thoughts on the primary...

Posted here because why not, I like this community. An old family friend recently sent me an email saying she was tired of the primary, and indeed, the whole election process. She was curious to hear my thoughts, and after sending them to her, I was wondering what some of you might think.

My response (slightly edited due to reasons):

To be honest, after I participated in the Washington Caucuses (I did caucus for Sanders, though I did so rather reluctantly), I began to stop paying the close attention I had up to that point. It began feeling rather pointless and I very much wondered if my attention would be better spent elsewhere. I have to say, I think it has been. More on that in a bit; I have not talked about politics in a while and I feel a large torrent of words about to pour out.

The elections not only consume a massive amount of time, money, and media coverage, but they serve another purpose altogether (whether purposefully or not, I am not going to claim to know). For all the effort that has gone into this election, little will change. There has been intense work and focus by those supporting Sanders and it's something I have never seen before from people my age. The establishment politics have of course turned out in a massive show of force for Clinton, but that isn't what I am interested in. Support for Sanders is strong here in Seattle among people I know who before were never politically engaged or cared to be. I think that's mildly unfortunate, to be honest. It's not that I don't like that they are engaged; that's a fantastic development and something that should be celebrated.

But I fear that they are leading themselves to believe that the fate of the world turns on this election, and should they lose it, nothing can be done. No real movements have arisen from this (yet!). On the contrary, I'd say the Sander's campaign has done so well because of huge movements both in the past and that continue: Black Lives Matter, Occupy Wall Street, Fight for $15, and the growing awareness of the catastrophic environmental path we have chosen have buoyed his message. This is despite the fact that Sanders has only somewhat addressed racism in the US* and continues to promise a relatively moderate future, even compared with other present and past Democratic policy proposals, let alone leftist ones. His demands are much smaller than the movements he draws from.

*Yes, he talks about prisons, education, and many other issues that involve race, but rarely does he focus solely on race, racial education, and combating racism/racial privileges.

But that's the thing--these movements fuel his campaign, not the other way around. In the end, the election of Sanders to the position of president will not do much except raise awareness around certain aspects of these issues. This is a good thing, and an important thing, and is the reason I was willing to caucus for him despite my *very* substantial disagreements about using the Democratic Party as a vehicle for a leftist agenda (a.k.a. socialized health care, free education, public ownership of utilities, etc.--the usual fare).

However, awareness does not create change, something that cannot be emphasized enough. This election continues to promote top-down change, whether you are looking at the right or left wings of the current major American political spectrum. Top-down change can never work. Voting does not protect rights, end un-equal imprisonment, keep police from murdering PoC, provide safety and support for LGBTQIA+ peoples, choke off our sad need to continue gulping down poisonous hydrocarbons, or provide medical care to the poor. Voting is perhaps the single most passive way we have to participate in our democracy.

To say it does do those things would be to disenfranchise the billions around the world who have yet to awake to the power they hold as a single individual piece of society. When people come together, physically, on the streets, in the town halls, in the schools, in the workplaces, and elsewhere, *that* is what creates change. We hold that power when we decide to take it and truly fight for it. Building relationships and connecting people has always been the greatest strength of humanity and will, I believe, be the basis for much change on a global scale in the next few decades. Voting is an impossibly small action in comparison to open-minds and a willingness to engage in the world around us.

But that is not what the media tells us in it's 24 hour circus show, and that is not what people continue to learn. Very few have pushed beyond that, and I suppose we will have to wait and see whether a real, effective grassroots movement will come out of this. I think it has helped push the conversation to slightly wider perspectives, and that's a start. In the meantime, it's become to much for me to watch or pay attention to. I have withdrawn to a few conversations with those willing to listen, and have decided to sit back for the remainder of the primary. *edited stuff removed* I will agitate from the sides for now instead.

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A couple of questions for you all:

How best to discuss with Sanders supporters that his election may not change much? What have you found to be most effective in encouraging people to direct their efforts towards movements, and not elections? I ask this of any previous Sanders supporters here, too.

To what extent do you think any movement will arise from this? What shape will it take? Will it integrate with the movements I mentioned above, in addition to the numerous others out there?

How do you think that we can recognize what Sanders brought to this election (and continues to bring) in the form of awareness while simultaneously affirming that awareness is not the same as action, or even education?

How do we establish that US elections are top-down, undemocratic affairs with people that think voting is the paramount method of changing US politics?

Lastly, more about race--how the f--- do you all get white people to give a shit? Seattle is killing me. Even my close friends, sometimes...and usually I'm pretty good at picking them.

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Some thoughts on the primary... (Original Post) F4lconF16 Jun 2016 OP
Not from an AA perspective (because I'm not one) but... TreasonousBastard Jun 2016 #1
Here's my take: KeepItReal Jun 2016 #2
I don't have any answers to your questions I guess . . . JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #3

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
1. Not from an AA perspective (because I'm not one) but...
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 03:27 AM
Jun 2016

from an overall perspective I think far too much emphasis is on Sanders and the Presidential primaries. This is a huge country and no matter who the President is there will be limited amounts of change coming from Washington.

Sanders is inspirational, just as Dean once was and Obama was eight years ago. I felt it on the street and the energy was almost palpable. Eight years ago Obama had us rallying and we got huge turnouts for him. After years of campaigning for many candidates, I saw Obama get the AA community here out like nothing we had ever seen before.

But that was one year. We also had the Tea Party jumping up and down and our Congressional candidate actually had to have secret meetings to avoid their disruption.

But, that was then. Now, nobody down here at ground level gives a damn. Out Congressional primary just had 2-3% turnout, and the Presidential one wasn't much better.

Too many primaries is one mantra, although another argument is that primaries are all we have to get people to work on politics.

But, less than half of our locals are R or D-- the biggest registration group is "blank". I went out collecting signatures, and there were a grand total of 31 Democrats in my ED.

31 Democrats. Out of a total of 131 in the whole damn town. Sanders nor anyone else can do anything about that-- it's up to us on the ground locally to build a solid base.

It's really not about race. Race is always there to cause trouble, but often enough it's just an excuse. We have simply come to realize that the promises of politicians are either flat out pandering lies or promises they simply can't keep no matter how hard they try.

Sanders and Trump share one thing-- they are both the anti-politicians. But the politicians tend to win in the end.

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
2. Here's my take:
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 05:33 AM
Jun 2016

"How best to discuss with Sanders supporters that his election may not change much? What have you found to be most effective in encouraging people to direct their efforts towards movements, and not elections? I ask this of any previous Sanders supporters here, too. "
{ANSWER} The idea that this election may not change much is an exposure of the establishmentarian, good old boy (and gal) nature of today's party. If you are not affiliated with the Obama/Clinton team, your ideas will fall by the wayside - if they are not already honestly championed by the party power brokers. LGBT rights has become one of those things.


To what extent do you think any movement will arise from this? What shape will it take? Will it integrate with the movements I mentioned above, in addition to the numerous others out there?
{ANSWER} There are already candidates declared for office inspired by Sen. Sanders. Democracy for America (Gov. Dean's previous Dean for America) did the same. There are already movements based on social media that lobby for liberal causes.


How do you think that we can recognize what Sanders brought to this election (and continues to bring) in the form of awareness while simultaneously affirming that awareness is not the same as action, or even education?
{ANSWER} Either you take up Sanders' platform ideas or you don't. What you're asking is "how do we give him props, but don't actually act on his ideas?" This is why Sanders had to run in the first place. *Nobody* was gonna ask for a $15 Federal Minimum Wage, if not him (maybe Sen. Warren, if she had run. She was my first choice for POTUS, BTW).


How do we establish that US elections are top-down, undemocratic affairs with people that think voting is the paramount method of changing US politics?
{ANSWER} Tell the people we no longer live in a Democracy. The decision has already been made, but we still need you to vote in the General Election. I'm sure that will go over well.


Lastly, more about race--how the f--- do you all get white people to give a shit? Seattle is killing me. Even my close friends, sometimes...and usually I'm pretty good at picking them.
{ANSWER} I'm not White. My White friends don't talk politics with me or they are actually independents or conservatives that do not like the presumptive Democratic nominee in any shape or form. My White neighbors appear to give a shit, but the party seems to deem California irrelevant, so we are powerless to influence the Primary (still counting votes!?! and we are too late to be a king or queen maker) or General Election. So much for inspiration from the DNC or State Dem Party.


Very interesting questions. Hope my responses help.

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