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Related: About this forumBainsBane
(53,066 posts)If so, it angers me. I feel compelled to apologize to African American members here. I don't understand how they feel entitled in making it so obvious they see their own egos as more important than the lives of those who experience racism. Now that they've had to temporary give in on their war on women, they seem to be turning their attention to African Americans. I wish they wouldn't. I wish I could stop it, and I wish they would think more about the lives of those subject to racism. I know I don't have any understanding of what it's like to experience racism, but I hope that I'm not as clueless or insensitive as what I am currently witnessing in GD. If and when I do, please let me know. In the meantime, I'm really sorry that this sort of absurdity takes place on a site that is meant to be for Democrats.
I'll also not that it is the same cast of characters who deny that objectification and sexism are problems. The common thread seems to be that what matters most is their own sense of entitlement.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)That's not about you.
Simply let them know that both people of color and self-aware whites refuse to buy whatever they're selling and it's not like everyone can't see it.
That the result of a convincing argument is gauged by how persuasive it is
If they're not using one, then that's where the fault lies. Unfortunately, they insist on defining the narrow parameters of their own reality against considerable opposition. But as I've noted, in the thread, white privilege allows the beholder to claim that it doesn't really exist
Which is exactly what they're doing without a shred of irony.
Tell the that they're wrong and why. If they persist on their course, and they seem to insist of doing that at every opportunity, point out that they're protesting much too much.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)in response. My point that they should be careful not to conflate race and class was called a "straw man." I don't even know what to do with people like that.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Compared to posts with speak truth to privilege, the deniers aren't getting that much support at all.
I'm sure that they've noticed the disparity
It won't hurt to point it out.
JustAnotherGen
(31,882 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,882 posts)And I'm done.
Let them figure out their solution. As a black woman I don't have time to beg them to be reasonable. I'm just going to throw some silly at it as silly is all it deserves and carry on with my life.
Dismissed. They are dismissed.
Number23
(24,544 posts)After his first go 'round turned to shit you would have thought he'd get the hint. I said what I had to say in Part One. Part Two was a complete waste of time.
JustAnotherGen
(31,882 posts)It's a real doozy. I wash my hands of trying to deal with white America on these issues.
Those who are white and "get it" are doing the best they can. It's in the way their children are raised, how they respect others, and what they stand for.
But if you don't already "get it" - we're done.
Geek_tragedy, bettyellen, BainsBane - shit! Drunken Irishman, redqueen, etc etc they get it. I can have a convo with kwassa - there are many others. But if someone isn't at their level of awareness then they are wasting my time.
They can go whine about the NSA, Snowden etc etc.
Race, racism, the black American experience are simply above their head. Too many folks at DU give the impression that they "had a black friend in the third grade" and it's getting really hard to not laugh at the silly!
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)The OP was tldr and the OPer was clueless. Still the new threads appear to suck me in. Ow.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Because from where I've been sitting that crap looks more like stones of stupidity. Or Flowing Fountains of Foolishness. Boundless boulders of banality. A moldy morass of moronity.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)but has been since subsumed by cow manure.
M0rpheus
(885 posts)Thank goodness I had other stuff to do.
JustAnotherGen
(31,882 posts)M0rpheus
(885 posts)LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)I needed that.
M0rpheus
(885 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)This is the second time I've cracked a rib laughing at your gifs this month!!
M0rpheus
(885 posts)I'm just trying to lighten things up a bit.
This way we can stop at that stupid OP, look, laugh and, keep it moving.
Let em drop.
Number23
(24,544 posts)But I love the concept. Look, laugh and keep on stepping.
M0rpheus
(885 posts)When they post one after the other and then the extra "Third Way" spinoff, they're waiting for the fight.
JustAnotherGen
(31,882 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)The true test of reality.
I was amazed by that thread, by how hard they worked to maintain the denial.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)I have no words.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)I don't know if it will do any good, but I'm trying.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4577556
M0rpheus
(885 posts)The same people will come to derail that one, just like the others.
There will always be another battle. Let them play with themselves for a while.
onpatrol98
(1,989 posts)You know the post about..."do you want my job"...it really surprised me. I mean the open hostility of it. But, then I thought about it. No, these people feel totally comfortable putting that out there. And..for just a minute...you feel like that one black person at a rally thinking...hmm...maybe this is the wrong party.
These white privilege threads are educational. The feeling you get from them is no different from the hostility you get from just straight up bigots...it's just pushed a bit further down from the surface. But, it's still palpable.
It makes you wonder. Hell, they're in the right place...maybe I'm in the wrong place. There's a reason there are so few blacks or other minorities on the site.
The irony of it..."I ain't got no privilege"..."Now...stop talking about race that way...cause I don't like it. What...ya'll still talking about privilege??? I mean...if that's not a sign of privilege with a side of arrogance, what is?
nawsa...we is gon stop talk'n bout de privilege. Cause you don like it...And...we's sposed to do whatcha say...parently...(SARCASM INTENDED)
I mean, at some point, it's gonna get awkward, picking on Herman (999) Cane at the same time you're getting chastised (lambasted) on a progressive site for suggesting there are times when white people get better treatment than minorities.
This is one of those...the jokes on me, moments.
Number23
(24,544 posts)The feeling you get from them is no different from the hostility you get from just straight up bigots...it's just pushed a bit further down from the surface. But, it's still palpable.
Yep.
Hell, they're in the right place...maybe I'm in the wrong place. There's a reason there are so few blacks or other minorities on the site.
Yep and yep.
But the joke is on all of us. And I'm sorry, it's ESPECIALLY on the folks that donate to this place.
Yes, I do feel like the black Lady at the tea party rally.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,882 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,882 posts)But I'd blow my brains out if I had that job.
I don't envy that poster at all.
And the joke isn't on you. Surreal is so real sometimes.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)It's because they say the exactly same things. Seriously. If you read some of the RW sites, you'll see the exact same arguments.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)This place is a freaking embarrassment. Enlightened, progressive people, my ass!
And everyone, just keep on educating the dolts.
Educate racists, sexists and homophobes?? How about getting them the fuck off of this site. Since when is the onus put on persons to put up with shit in the name of educating them. That is a cop out.
JustAnotherGen
(31,882 posts)So true - that's why I refuse to 'work with them'.
But what you just wrote makes me want to booty dance.
[URL=http://gifsoup.com/view/4407317/booty-dance-ugh-booty-dance.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://gifsoup.com]GIFSoup[/URL]
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)And the way it resembles abusive relationships is scary. "You shouldn't make him so angry. You explain to him why you did what you did, and everything will be ok."
And now the usual suspects are snickering about how the typical suspects (read HoF) are leading the charge in this - they can't wrap their head around the fact that half of all minorities are women, and that even those who aren't women, may have a better understanding why their attitudes are bigoted against minorities they themselves are not part of. How a$$holish can you get on this site before they boot you?
Number23
(24,544 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,882 posts)I'm on M0rpheus' side!
M0rpheus
(885 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,882 posts)It pretty much sums up how I'm starting to think about things - same old discussion, same old nonsense. I feel like posting a video of Clayton Bixby just to see if anyone is not all "ewwwwwwwww" about GD realizes it's a comedy skit!
ETA - I love the power of gif.soup.
M0rpheus
(885 posts)GD is NOT ready for Clayton!
JustAnotherGen
(31,882 posts)A good gif on this one!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024580035
M0rpheus
(885 posts)Gonna see how that plays out b4 I do.
JustAnotherGen
(31,882 posts)With a gif again. Enjoy!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4579778
M0rpheus
(885 posts)LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Funny stuff that.
M0rpheus
(885 posts)But to call it out would have been a hide for sure.
Had to grudgingly give him a pass on that.
Number23
(24,544 posts)As if this is something that they know anything about? As if this is something that they CARE anything about?
I'm just reading laughing and shaking my head. They are so obvious it's not even worth the trouble.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Most meaningful post of the day at DU. I really know what you mean. I feel the same way.
I keep telling my self to just let them tire themselves out, but I just have to say something every time.
I'm going to just laugh from now on and go to the lounge or to the AA quarters from now on. They acting out up in the big house over in GD.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)to get back to the women's quarters, HOF, because I questioned whether a posters intent as to be deliberately hostile to DUers of color.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I have to go check this out. They lose their minds when we speak, we use words that they don't like.
Response to bravenak (Reply #47)
bravenak This message was self-deleted by its author.
I am shocked. Not really.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)It's a horrible, horrible comment.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)My bad for even trying.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)You should never apologize for speaking out.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)so there's that
Such an angry person.