I need help finding a book -

[hedgehog]

I came across it in a mail order catalog this summer- possibly Daedalus or a University Press.

The book compared the reasons for and nature of emmigration from Ireland and England.

Can anyone offer advice on how to search for this book?

Being such a specialized subject, I'm guessing a university press.

[Adsos Letter]

1. Albion's Seed?

The Peopling of British North America?
Voyagers to the West?

One way I have found college level studies is to look at the reading lists for graduate courses of study, which some of the major universities put online. There are also reading lists online that are categorized by subject matter and not necessarily associated with a particular course.

I would try researching reading lists associated with "Atlantic World" history, which is sure to have books of the type you're searching for. Perhaps by Greene, Pestana, Hall, Canny, Armitage,Bailyn, etc. There are lots of authors/historians working in this field. . A big chunk of my graduate work was done in Atlantic World, but I'm blanking on a title such as you suggest.

Edit: "online" not "nonlinear"

[matt819]

2. This probably isn't it, but

All standing : the true story of hunger, rebellion, and survival aboard the Jeanie Johnston / by Kathryn Miles. Released in January, publisher is Free Press.

Not an academic work, but a very readable and accessible slice of history. The focus is on one ship that in all of its runs between Ireland and Canada did not lose a single passenger to disease, a record, I think, among all of the ships called the coffin ships, for very obvious reasons.

I know there are hundreds of books about Irish history and Irish history wrt emigration to the US. I know little about the subject, but this book captures the history, and the process, and the effects. Well worth the time.

[hedgehog]

3. The book I'm thinking of takes the premise that there

was no difference between the motivations for emigration between the English and Irish - thereby suggesting that this proves the English government policy in Ireland wasn't that nasty. I don't think anyone here has seen the book - I'm trying to figure out how to find it again.

Thanks for your recommendations though - they'll go on my reading list, too!

I'm starting to wonder if I dreamt of this book!

[SheilaT]

4. Depending on what period is covered. If it includes the years of the Potato Famine,

is is sheer ignorance of the enormity of the famine and the English government standing by while Irish starved to say that there was no difference between the motivations for emigration between the English and the Irish. Unless there was some disastrous famine in England that has somehow escaped notice.

The population of Ireland fell by approximately half in the years of the famine, between the deaths from starvation and the huge numbers of those who fled. Even today, over 150 years later, the population of Ireland is still below its peak in about 1841.

[hedgehog]

5. I think that's why I was interested in the book -

I wanted to see how the author justified such a contrarian point of view. I agree with you that it seems an outlandish proposition - but keep in mind that the English treated their own underclasses as bad as they treated the Irish!

[SheilaT]

6. But there was never the massive migration of English

out of England as there was of Irish out of Ireland. Although you're pretty much right about how badly the English underclass was treated, it never came close to what amounted to a near genocide during the Potato Famine. There were more jobs available in England, even in the worst of times. Sort of like today there are still jobs available, just not enough and certainly not as many "good" jobs (however you choose to define good) as there ought to be. England, once the Industrial Revolution got underway, had an industrial base. Ireland, never. The English never even permitted much in the way of roads to be built between major cities, and almost no trains.

The last time I was in Ireland was in 1989, and I know things have changed a lot, but it was very noticeable that even major highways were only two lanes wide, and in all of our driving around the country in the two weeks we were there, I noticed never crossing a train track.

[hedgehog]

7. Unfortunately, I spotted the bnook while my daughter was clearing out a lot of stuff,

and I thought that I should help by cutting back on my book buying. Everything you say is spot on, which makes me wonder now if I could have dreamt the entire thing; I can't find a trace of this book. The problem is that if you google England, Ireland emigration, there is an overwhelming number of sites about the Irish diaspora.

I was in Mayo in 2011 - the amazing thing was that the siblings of the bed and breakfast were all still in Ireland - all in Dublin, but still!

Castlebar had a Tim Horton's, and we saw both a round tower and a line of wind turbines.

[hedgehog]

8. I found it! It turned up on the last page of an old Daedulus catalog!

in Search of a Better Life by Graham Davis



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatlife/8530422/In-search-of-a-better-life.html

[Lamonte]

9. Possible answer

This book is about when undesirables were deported. Great book and I learned a lot.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006NKL884/ref=oh_d__o07_details_o07__i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1