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dmallind

(10,437 posts)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 04:09 PM Jun 2012

Question - fans of non-local teams?

Bit of a leap from another topic entirely got me interested in a sports question and this place seemed apt to ask it.

How many out there are fans of teams from places where they have never lived (and which are not the closest major league team as in South Dakota fans of MN teams etc), and why? Probable reasons I can think of:

1) Super-successful teams get non-local fans by long dominance. Yankees/Man Utd etc
2) Teams which have a star player, especially of an unusual demographic, absorb non-local fans of that player. The boost in Rockets support from Yao Ming springs to mind, but the Bulls drew in many from Jordan too obviously.
3) Usually a corollary of 1) but media availability creates non-local fans too. Before I even thought of emigrating, in the mid 80s, I became a fan of football in a country that showed one game a week and usually the same few teams. Any UK-born football fan of my generation more than likely was or is a follower of the Bengals, Bears or 49ers. I lived in the US before I even knew Houston or Buffalo had an NFL team - no joke.

So what other reasons are there? Who here is a fan of a non-dominant team not local to them, and how did you become so?

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Question - fans of non-local teams? (Original Post) dmallind Jun 2012 OP
The team moved. Chan790 Jun 2012 #1
You're supposed to hate them with the white-hot intensity of ten thousand suns KamaAina Jun 2012 #8
I hate the owner not the team. Chan790 Jun 2012 #17
Springfield KamaAina Jun 2012 #18
Yep that's one I hadn't thought of dmallind Jun 2012 #20
Is that a can of worms I hear opening up? Auggie Jun 2012 #2
Paging madinmaryland! El Supremo Jun 2012 #4
Some of us were fans when Dandy Don was actually the QB of the Dallas Cowboys... madinmaryland Jun 2012 #11
Yes ... Auggie Jun 2012 #14
Well... madinmaryland Jun 2012 #15
I don't have any favorite NFL team. El Supremo Jun 2012 #16
Its so odd that you and I are from the same general area TZ Jun 2012 #42
not my intent. I'm not sports fan enough to worry either way really dmallind Jun 2012 #21
I'm still a fan of a team that moved away. El Supremo Jun 2012 #3
Huh? You were a fan of the Philadelphia Athletics?? madinmaryland Jun 2012 #12
I knew you would ask that! El Supremo Jun 2012 #13
Packers because they're the only team not owned by an asshole millionaire taterguy Jun 2012 #5
Atlanta Falcons KamaAina Jun 2012 #7
Thanks. Brain fart. taterguy Jun 2012 #10
Another new example thanks - although I suspect most non-local GB support is success-driven. nt dmallind Jun 2012 #22
Though the Red Sox are my team, I became a fan of the Braves hughee99 Jun 2012 #6
Hmm JonLP24 Jun 2012 #9
Good question. H2O Man Jun 2012 #19
Well I was born in Ohio TZ Jun 2012 #23
My first post on DU. SOVermonter Jun 2012 #24
a) welcome to DU b) thanks for another possible reason I had not considered dmallind Jun 2012 #25
BTW to demonstrate no ulterior motives - my own allegiances are mixed dmallind Jun 2012 #26
I wouldn't worry about the "REAL sports fan" remark JonLP24 Jun 2012 #28
Thanks for the link! El Supremo Jun 2012 #29
You don't really understand. madinmaryland Jun 2012 #33
So you became a Cowpatty fan... El Supremo Jun 2012 #34
Thanks, Jon! That was a classic!! madinmaryland Jun 2012 #32
two more possibilities: parental influence and (p/h a corrolary of #2) players shifting teams/league fishwax Jun 2012 #27
I grew up in New Jersey... a la izquierda Jun 2012 #30
Live in Michigan and a huge Celtic fan... twogunsid Jun 2012 #31
I will take issue with the tackling thing dmallind Jun 2012 #35
Small Nit To Pick ProfessorGAC Jun 2012 #36
I agree with both JonLP24 Jun 2012 #38
No, their tackling was not good... twogunsid Jun 2012 #39
I grew up in Oakland Jamaal510 Jun 2012 #37
I have noticed a slight trend Broken_Hero Jun 2012 #40
Chelsea FC because... Capt. America Jun 2012 #41
I am fans of certain teams from different conferences in college sports.(But fickle) era veteran Jul 2012 #43
 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
1. The team moved.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 04:23 PM
Jun 2012

Last edited Tue Jun 26, 2012, 07:25 PM - Edit history (1)

I grew up in Hartford, CT. They moved to Raleigh, NC. I moved to NYC, then DC. I hate the Rangers and Capitals.

Edit: And the Bruins and the Habs. The rivalries might be dead but my hatred lives on.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
8. You're supposed to hate them with the white-hot intensity of ten thousand suns
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 06:04 PM
Jun 2012

not suck up to them.

Then again, I remember some poor sap who flew from Atlanta to Calgary to watch the first hockey team that ditched the ATL.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
17. I hate the owner not the team.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 07:23 PM
Jun 2012

If I won the $600M MegaMillions, I was buying them and moving them back to Hartford...even if they had to play home games at the International Skating Center out in Simsbury while an arena was built.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
18. Springfield
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 07:25 PM
Jun 2012

where they played after the roof of the Civic Center fell in under the weight of heavy snow hours after a UConn hoops game had ended.

dmallind

(10,437 posts)
20. Yep that's one I hadn't thought of
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:27 PM
Jun 2012

Which is strange, because when I lived in NY I knew a fair number of Dodgers fans, almost all old enough to have known them locally.

Auggie

(31,173 posts)
2. Is that a can of worms I hear opening up?
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 04:31 PM
Jun 2012

Hey, dmallind ... beats me. I support the home teams. I have acquaintances (San Francisco Bay Area) who are Cowboy fans despite being from Northern California. I asked them why after the 49ers had won their fourth Super Bowl and they couldn't answer. So I'm going to guess they bought into all that marketing hype over America's Team back when the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders and Tom Landry and Monday Night's Dandy Don were fashionable.

The again, like any product some buy into the brand positioning only until something better comes along.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
11. Some of us were fans when Dandy Don was actually the QB of the Dallas Cowboys...
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 06:08 PM
Jun 2012

Kind of odd how my favourites were formed. I was a Pirates fan early on, because my Dad was. I hated the Reds (and Pete Rose) and from the part of Ohio I was from, meant that I hated anything from Cleveland.

Think about what was offered in the NBA in the late 60's. The Cincinnati Royals were bailing on that city, and the Cleveland Cadavers (they were an expansion team, and see my comment above about Cleveland!!). Since I was from Ohio, I hated the Michigan teams. That left of course, the Boston Celtics, who had an Ohio State alumni, John Havilcek, playing for them.

BTW, I am a fan of The Ohio State University Buckeyes.



God, it's been too long since we had a "real fan" thread!!!






Auggie

(31,173 posts)
14. Yes ...
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 06:30 PM
Jun 2012

and far be it from me to point the finger at you. Even my middle one. You must have been a kid (or near kid) when Meredith played. That's understandable. And the fact you've stuck with the Pirates through thick and thin -- mostly thin -- proves your integrity. It's the front-runners who irk me.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
15. Well...
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 06:59 PM
Jun 2012

As I said, I had no real choice other than the Cowboys and Celtics.

Ahh yes. Dandy Don and Walt Garrison!!1!! I've been through thick and thin with my teams over the years, mostly with the Pirates, but the 70's were a great decade for us.

BTW, I don't have a "second favourite team" in the other league, like some "fans" do.

El Supremo

(20,365 posts)
16. I don't have any favorite NFL team.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 07:05 PM
Jun 2012

And I'm not a carpetbagger who latches on to to a good team. Or should I say "Tory"?

TZ

(42,998 posts)
42. Its so odd that you and I are from the same general area
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 11:42 AM
Jun 2012

and then moved as adult to the same general area, but basically have no sports teams in common.

dmallind

(10,437 posts)
21. not my intent. I'm not sports fan enough to worry either way really
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:29 PM
Jun 2012

Just wondered about how, and how much, people became fans of non-local teams. The impetus was somewhat the reverse really - a thread discussing the dangers of jingoistic localism. But as far as sports goes just curiosity I promise.

El Supremo

(20,365 posts)
13. I knew you would ask that!
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 06:14 PM
Jun 2012

I'm not that old and have never lived in Yankeeland.

You on the other hand, are an athletic supporter!

taterguy

(29,582 posts)
5. Packers because they're the only team not owned by an asshole millionaire
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 05:01 PM
Jun 2012

Last edited Tue Jun 26, 2012, 06:07 PM - Edit history (1)

Although the Mavs owner Mark Cuban is only an asshole some of the time.

The media availability is pretty strong.

Back before the Atlanta Falcons existed the Redskins were the only NFL team regularly shown in the South, and up until the 1980s had astronomically higher Southern ratings than any other NFL team.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
7. Atlanta Falcons
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 06:02 PM
Jun 2012

Hawks are basketball.

That's ironic, because many African Americans in DC are Cowpies fans, going back to the time when the Cowpies were integrated and the Whiteskins weren't.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
6. Though the Red Sox are my team, I became a fan of the Braves
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 05:44 PM
Jun 2012

in the 80's (before they got good) because I could watch their games on TBS and follow them. It was the media availability.

On edit:

I also know some of the older people in New England who where Giants fans from back before New England had a team and still support them (though many have converted).

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
9. Hmm
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 06:07 PM
Jun 2012

Last edited Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:34 PM - Edit history (3)

My main teams I places I lived. Arizona Cardinals & Arizona State Sun Devils - Tempe. Other teams. Suns - Phoenix (I never lived there but I lived next door and currently 2 cities away from Glendale, AZ in Mesa, AZ). So I'll count those teams as lived. Coyotes are another.

I root for the Colorado Rockies as my baseball team which is in Denver, the closest I've lived there was 50-75 miles north on I-25.

My #2 teams.
Denver Broncos (I count them as my "AFC team&quot & Colorado State Rams which play in the city I was born in.

Throughout the years there are teams that are excellent and who games I want to see and I'm neutral to them so I tend to kinda want to win in playoffs where my team IS eliminated. The teams I generally dislike I never root for but that varies, I used to hate the Chiefs a long with the Cowboys with a burning passion but I actually find myself rooting for KC more often than past years. I enjoyed hating them because they were very good and great at home, a lot of games where the road team(especially Denver) think they have the game in hand then freaky things occur and the KC kicker is making a very long field goal w/ wind swirling, barely making it over the cross bar. Some of the greatest games I ever saw was Denver @ KC but it is not nearly as like that anymore so I tend to root for Chiefs. Cowboys I'm mostly neutral, still some hate carried from the Cardinals time in the NFC East.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
19. Good question.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:25 AM
Jun 2012

Very interesting OP & thread. Recommended.

I can give the same general answer for professional sports, such as basketball and football, to high school sports: I like all teams. There really aren't any teams that I've disliked in over 50 years of watching sports, either in person or on television.

Still, I do have "favorite" teams: when I was in high school, of course, I favored my school's teams. Same thing in college. As an adult, I've favored the high school and college teams that my children and nephews have played on.

In pro basketball, I have always been a Knicks fan. Walt "Clyde" Frazier, Earl "The Pearl" Monroe, and Willis Reed still stand out in my aging mind. But being a NY Knicks fan also includes long periods of frustration. So it is much easier, at least for me, to take pleasure in watching Boston and/or LA, etc.

Football is much the same. I like the NY Giants. But I also enjoy watching any/every other team.

Boxing, of course, is an entirely different thing. Not a team sport -- with the exception of in amateurs, with say the US team in the Olympics (1976 was outstanding), or when a "team" from one gym enters the Golden Gloves. But it's an individual competition. And, as a few folks here may have noticed, my favorite sport.

TZ

(42,998 posts)
23. Well I was born in Ohio
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:14 PM
Jun 2012

and have spent a lot of time there visiting relatives in Cleveland and Cincinnati so I have a fondness for teams in those cities. In fact the first baseball games I went to were Reds games and I still have a sweatshirt from when the Reds won the WS in 1991.
And, like a true blooded Clevelander I hate LeBron James, Art Modell, and the Ravens with a passion...Certainly being Ohio sports fan, no one can accuse me of being a "front runner". LOL. (though the Reds are doing well right now)

SOVermonter

(4 posts)
24. My first post on DU.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:41 PM
Jun 2012

Newcomer to DU...

Although I had never even been to Ohio, I grew up as (and have remained) a Browns and Cavaliers fan. And, much later, a Tribe fan. Why? Many reasons: Kucinich having been mayor was one; my fondness for underdogs was another, and I felt bad about all the dumb "Cleveland" jokes; and the Kardiac Kids of the 1980 season was a third. Also, my favorite writer at the time was from near Cleveland. So despite living all my life in Red Sox/Patriots/Celtics country, all I have for my sports fanaticism is sheer misery. I actually cried as the Indians were letting the 2007 ALCS slip away. Friends tease me about being pro-Cleveland, but sometime in the next couple of centuries, victory will be ours!

dmallind

(10,437 posts)
26. BTW to demonstrate no ulterior motives - my own allegiances are mixed
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:00 PM
Jun 2012

I move around too much - 3 countries and 8 states in this one - to absorb huge local loyalty myself, while not being completely immune. I'm also a casual non-emotional sports watcher for the most part. I lived longer in Minnesota than anywhere else and I retain a fondness for the Twins. I still follow the Bengals despite never living closer than 3 hrs, due to that UK-1980's initial exposure mentioned before. Hockey and basketball are even more ephemeral but I guess a vague appeal for former homes in Buffalo and MN again still linger - the former because more people cared about hockey there. Really not a true "fan" of either though.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
28. I wouldn't worry about the "REAL sports fan" remark
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:47 PM
Jun 2012

It is an inside joke from the cboy4 days (which are somewhat common). Usually stuff like "nice post cboy".

Here is an example --- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=215x85438

I honestly feel that no one here has suspicions about you, it was a joking reference to one of many threads by a very provocative poster as this thread is somewhat of a reminder.

El Supremo

(20,365 posts)
29. Thanks for the link!
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:33 PM
Jun 2012

Those were the days! I'm surprised I didn't chime in on that thread. But sometimes I don't when a thread explodes. I like to sit back and watch the comedy.

BTW, MIM never has explained to my satisfaction why he picked the Cowchips, a team so far from home.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
33. You don't really understand.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:33 PM
Jun 2012

I could have been a Peckers fan because they won the first two SB's, or the NY Jets, or the Baltimore Colts...

Oh well, never mind.

The cat is squawking about an imaginary bug on the stairs.

El Supremo

(20,365 posts)
34. So you became a Cowpatty fan...
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:44 PM
Jun 2012

because they played the Peckers for the NFL championship two years in a row? Then the Dolts?

Carpetbagger!

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
27. two more possibilities: parental influence and (p/h a corrolary of #2) players shifting teams/league
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:38 PM
Jun 2012

I came of age in a place with no teams of its own, but I was a fan of the Broncos because they were the closest team and because my parents (who both lived in Colorado in high school and/or before) were fans. If they had stayed in the Upper Midwest (where I was born), perhaps I'd be more of a Packers fan, but I think their Broncos fandom might have influenced me as well. Growing up--especially in a place where the nearest major sports team was about seven hours away, I knew other people who were fans of a given team because of their parents.

Maybe that's even more true with college teams, I don't know. I have cousins who never lived in Michigan but are hard-core Michigan fans because (a) they probably enjoyed watching games with their dad, who grew up in Ann Arbor and went to school at UM and (b) he might have disowned them if they hadn't (j/k ... I think . Even some of his grandkids are Michigan fans, though none have gone to school there.

I've also known people who became fans of a given team because of players from other teams--particularly their college team. I know a lady who is now a devout Broncos fan, but when she first moved to the region she was pretty lukewarm on them. She was originally from Nebraska and a huge Cornhuskers fan--the NFL was of (distant) secondary importance, but she was sort of a Chiefs fan. But she started coming around on the Broncos once they drafted Mike Croel (and Kenny Walker) from the University of Nebraska. I know another guy who was a 49ers fan from the moment they picked up Steve Young until he moved to a city that had a team of its own (by which time Young had long since retired anyway). (Meanwhile, the same guy hasn't liked the Broncos since they drafted Elway, who spurned BYU in the recruiting process.)

Most of the teams I'm a fan of are a function of geography, with the exception of the Braves--I've never lived anywhere near Atlanta, but as a kid there was no team in my time zone and they showed every game on TBS, so it was a media availability thing. (Certainly not a success thing--they were thoroughly inept at the time.)

a la izquierda

(11,795 posts)
30. I grew up in New Jersey...
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:54 PM
Jun 2012

and am a fan of NY teams overall. I went to graduate school in Oklahoma, and am a fan of the Sooners.
I am a rabid soccer fan, and root for the US national team normally. But when they aren't playing, Spain is my team, and professionally, I am a Real Madrid fan.

twogunsid

(1,607 posts)
31. Live in Michigan and a huge Celtic fan...
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:55 PM
Jun 2012

although they are pretty dominate in the SPL. I think it has to do with my heritage.

Back in the mid 80's I spent a lot of time operating with the Royal Navy and we used to play them in American Rules Football. They were quite the fans. They couldn't block, tackle or run any plays worth a damn but the made up for it in enthusiasm.

I had a work friend from London whose brother gave me a Crystal Palace hat for a Detroit Lions hat.

"And they gave us James McGrory and Paul McStay,
They gave us Johnstone, Tully, Murdoch, Auld and Hay,
And most of the football greats,
Have passed through Parkhead's gates,
All to play football the Glasgow Celtic way."

dmallind

(10,437 posts)
35. I will take issue with the tackling thing
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 01:35 PM
Jun 2012

Obviously I can't speak to specific Navy guys, but as both a long-time player and watcher of both football and rugby, I can attest to the superior tackling of exponents of the latter, and it's a surprise the RN guys had insufficient rugby experience to demonstrate that. Football tackling because of the added protection and because of the different vectors of approach has always involved, and seemingly becomes more dominated by as time goes on, collision-based deflection/knockdowns rather than the process of tackling itself - wrapping arms around the player, tucking in the shoulder to their body, and bearing them to the ground. Some football players do tackle well, but it seems to be a diminishing minority and a lost "fundamental" skill.

But having being a LB/OT (enough players to play one way only? No chance) in the old Budweiser leagues in England, yes I can agree that blocking is, or at least was, terrible and play calling at about 1930s level at best over there. I lined up a couple of times against an American Division II college - not even a good Div II college - player who had emigrated to the UK. Despite having 30lbs on him it was an.....educational experience for me.

ProfessorGAC

(65,069 posts)
36. Small Nit To Pick
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 04:43 PM
Jun 2012

In American football, a tackle is a tackle. The technique used to accomplish it is not relevant. So, while i do concur that modern football is more about collisions (often in an effort to dislodge the ball), tackling is, in fact, tackling.

GAC

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
38. I agree with both
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 05:30 PM
Jun 2012

but while I'm not familiar with Rugby, the NFL is really a game is a fight for inches since 10 yards gain a 1st down and turnovers are crucial. It is so important to stop players as soon as possible so I'm guessing that leads to collisions. I would think they are other reasons. I wouldn't say the pads is causing it. Without them, they would be much seriously injured than they are now. While it may lead to a shift in thinking w/o, there would still be brutal tackles.

twogunsid

(1,607 posts)
39. No, their tackling was not good...
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 06:22 PM
Jun 2012

but it was dangerous and enthusiastic. They didn't square up or wrap up on a player but they did try to maim and hurt us. Jungle Rules. They missed a lot of tackles. I don't know how much rugby experience they had. But, fair play to them, we tried to hurt them also and it was great fun.

I remember once, stateside, we held a picnic for a RN ship in port and we challenged them to a volleyball match. "Jungle Rules?" one of them asked. We said "sure" what ever that means. The match ended with one of my friends on top of a Brit pounding him with a boot heel. "Jungle Rules." Loved the Brits and was always glad to see them what ever port we were in. We were hard on each other but we always had a laugh and beer with them afterwards. They are a tough bunch.

My ship had a soccer team but they never wanted to play us they always wanted to play US Rules football. We played local clubs all over South America and West Africa and we got our heads handed back to us. Everyone was so good to us, even the Brazilians, and tried to help us with our game. Well, that's not true. The Peruvian club we played were a bunch of motherfuckers. I always wanted to play against English players but never had a chance to.

Cheers.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
37. I grew up in Oakland
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 04:44 PM
Jun 2012

and I'm a Raiders and A's fan first. But I always did like the Steelers and the Twins, too. I love their jerseys and their logos, and Jerome Bettis was my favorite player. And I used to like the Twins' old stadium before they moved to Target Field.

Broken_Hero

(59,305 posts)
40. I have noticed a slight trend
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 03:38 AM
Jun 2012

in the reasoning of liking a non-local team, when a local team is present, is the fact that people in the local area are sick and tired of belligerent fans who irk them beyond reason, and they find themselves in positions of cheering/rooting/liking teams that conflict with the local team.

For example, I have a friend in Texas(born/fed) who hates the Longhorns because of all the press, media pundits, and fans that irk him beyond belief, and to boot they cheer/like the OU Sooners. And coincidentally a departed friend of mine who is Oklahoma born/fed, hates the Sooners, and roots for the Longhorns for much the same reasons...local fans/media pissing him off, and they find themselves rooting for the main rival of that local team.

As for myself, I fall into the category of being from a state that has zero pro teams, so I root for the closest team geographically, which is the Seattle Mariners, Seahawks, Vancouver Canucks(and the ill fated Sonics). I'm currently in MO though, so I guess I do cheer for non local teams.....

Capt. America

(2,477 posts)
41. Chelsea FC because...
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 11:25 AM
Jun 2012

My pal is big into the EPL and rooted for Liverpool. Just as a goof, and to be contrary, I went on the EPL website and picked a team that was doing fairly well and was challenging Liverpool. Now, I knew about ManUre and didn't want any part of that. Chelsea had a cool logo and was a London club, so that's what I went for.

As it turns out I am very lucky to have picked Chelsea: 4 FA Cups, EPL Champion and EUFA Champion!

era veteran

(4,069 posts)
43. I am fans of certain teams from different conferences in college sports.(But fickle)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:16 AM
Jul 2012

In the Big Ten I go from Ohio State to Michigan depending on the latest scandal.
I rooted for the Buckeyes after learning the full story on Woody Hayes. I would have liked to meet him. The latest problem on Broad Street in Columbus has made me fickle away from them now. Can't root for Michigan because of a co worker went there. Will bandwagon up with the first flashy team that comes along.
I root for The Grizz too as I like Missoula.

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