Just read the ESPN report on the Pat's.

[trumad]

Wow! long and thorough.

Here's the thing about SpyGate that's most noticeable. If Belichick really thought that he was following the rules on filming other teams---then why did the Pat's go so far out of the way to disguise the assistants who filmed the signals? They had them cover their logo's with tape, turn their shirts inside out, ---tell security that they were working for Kraft films and shooting panoramic views of the stadiums, etc.

If you haven't read the piece you should---it's very long but well worth the read.

Look---I'm not saying that the Pat's are---or were the only teams who look for an advantage. It's just that they really made all this a big part of their organization. I mean it's pretty fucking extensive.

Add Goodell complicity with all this and well--- it stinks.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart

[trotsky]

1. The other excuse so often heard is that "well it didn't give the Pats much of an edge anyway"

Bullshit. Then why did Belicheat keep doing it for so many years? He's no dummy, he's not going to waste time and effort on something that isn't giving him results.

[mythology]

2. It's especially amusing when those same people

Turn around and attribute the Patriots' success being a result of paying attention to the details other teams overlook.