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Yo Rhonda---Warrior up---show your God Damn face. (Original Post) trumad Nov 2015 OP
Okay with me if she hides. Let her heal physically and emotionally. Auggie Nov 2015 #1
But she's so bad ass.. trumad Nov 2015 #2
Yes ... Auggie Nov 2015 #3
Thing is... trumad Nov 2015 #4
Heal emotionally? Iggo Nov 2015 #5
I sure would. H2O Man Nov 2015 #6
I'm just saying---don't hide---be proud and come back even stronger. trumad Nov 2015 #9
My son and I H2O Man Nov 2015 #10
I'm glad you brought up the media hype, Auggie Nov 2015 #11
Right. H2O Man Nov 2015 #14
Many feel she will never fight again trumad Nov 2015 #12
Michael Spinks did. H2O Man Nov 2015 #13
If they hid their face in a pillow ... Auggie Nov 2015 #7
As somebody who was injured in a martial arts event mythology Nov 2015 #8

Auggie

(31,174 posts)
1. Okay with me if she hides. Let her heal physically and emotionally.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:30 PM
Nov 2015
After Holly Holm knocked her out at UFC 193 on Saturday, former bantamweight champion Ronda Rousey will be out of action for six months.

On Tuesday, UFC released a full list of fighters who've been issued medical suspensions in the wake of UFC 193. Rousey will be held out of the octagon for 180 days, although she could be cleared to compete earlier if a CT scan reveals she hasn't sustained head damage. As part of her suspension, she's not allowed to fight for 60 days, or even have training contact for 45.

Rousey briefly lost consciousness 59 seconds into the second round of her championship bout after a leg-kick to the head -- a move she predicted could happen during a "The Tonight Show" appearance in September.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ronda-rousey-knockout-medical-suspension_564c8307e4b06037734bbeaa

Auggie

(31,174 posts)
3. Yes ...
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 06:28 PM
Nov 2015

sometimes it's tough to deal with a wake-up call like that, you know? Especially when losing is new.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
4. Thing is...
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 08:04 PM
Nov 2015

When your bad ass...you continue to act like a bad ass. You say..she got the best of me today...but tomorrow I'm going to kick her ass. You don't hide behind a pillow.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
6. I sure would.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:49 PM
Nov 2015

I know that you weren't asking me, but I think that it is important -- in order to understand "combat" sports -- to understand and fully appreciate that a fighter who gets beat as she did, be they male or female, needs to heal emotionally.

The truth is that while she took a beating, the physical aspects of that fight pose little, if any, long-term consequences. The fight ended before she took severe punishment, of the type that would end her career. She did not, for example, take a fraction of the physical punishment that George Foreman did against Ali, or Gerry Cooney did against Larry Holmes.

Both Foreman and Cooney were considered monsters before getting stopped by superior opponents. In Big George's case, he came back quickly -- too quickly -- and would soon lose to Jimmy Young. While Jimmy was a very talented fighter, he was not in George's league. The emotional damage made George vulnerable. After that, of course, George retired for ten years. He had found his emotional stability -- including self-confidence -- and eventually regained the heavyweight title. (Indeed, he flattened Cooney along the way.)

Gerry was undefeated in 25 fights, leading up to the Holmes bout. In his last three bouts, he had devastated Jimmy Young (4 rounds), the knocked both Ron Lyle and Kenny Norten out in one round. He lost to Larry in 13 rounds, in a classic war. That loss inflicted far more emotional damage on Gerry, than the physical punishment he absorbed. I've know Gerry, casually, but well enough to know that he is the first to admit that before he bout, he resented the "Great White Hope" nonsense that Don King (and Larry) used. More, the loss brought back painful memories of the vicious abuse he endured from his father. The sense of worthlessness.

Cooney fought five times after Holmes, but his heart was never in it. That loss destroyed his career. He was still a big, strong, talented fighter, but his heart -- his self-confidence -- was gone. He's gone on to be one of the best advocates for boxers' safety and long-term well-being. (I remember at one fight card, some drunken fool pinched his lady's behind. Gerry was not pleased. Even as an older gentleman, he could be scary!)

The author of this OP understands sports quite well. Indeed, he knows about the emotional issues that confront men -- and women -- who compete in the toughest of sports.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
10. My son and I
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:56 PM
Nov 2015

just watched it over again, at a friend's house. She did take some punishment -- I could see far more on a large screen TV in hi-def, than on this little computer screen. But I think those wounds will heal a lot quicker than the mental ones.

I can't say that I know much about her, but since that fight, I've listened to her in old interviews. She believed the media hype, which is hardly unusual for any top fighter. I think she's going to enter a lonely, difficult phase in the next month. Maybe not to the extreme of the great Floyd Patterson, after he lost his heavyweight title the first time. For anyone interested in the emotional fighter after their first loss, read his autobiography, "Victory Over Myself."

A good trainer would bring her back really slow. Spend time in the gym, working out, but with an emphasis on getting her re-focused. Get her confident of her ability to learn more about boxing. And to be able to adjust in competition. Again, I know very little about her, but I hate to see people exploited. And she may be vulnerable to that right now -- including an immediate re-match.

Auggie

(31,174 posts)
11. I'm glad you brought up the media hype,
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:12 PM
Nov 2015

because I've been wondering just how much of a "bad-ass" she might really be. If she began to believe the hype, warranted or not, I think we can understand what a humbling loss this was.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
14. Right.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:44 AM
Nov 2015

I look at these things in the context of the ancient question: Who are you? Who others think you are? Who you think you are? Or, who you really are? (The correct answer being, "Yes.&quot

There are many people who believe that " 'Money' Mayweather" is the actual boxer known as Floyd Mayweather, Jr. Likewise, I remember reading an interview with Dan Blocker, who played "Hoss" on Bonanza. He spoke of people who approached him in public, who spoke to "Hoss," rather than Dan. Floyd, like Dan, realizes the distinction between the image and himself.

Now, that is a lot easier for an actor on a television series, than for an athlete. Indeed, if Floyd had remained " 'Pretty Boy' Floyd," as he was known in first half of his pro career, it would have been closer to the real man. He capitalized on the public image, but did not allow it to capture his relationship to himself, or his family and friends.

Again, I do not pretend to know much about this young lady, but from what I've seen, she was captured by that media hype's image. For just one example, being on the cover of The Ring -- the "bible of boxing" -- without ever having boxed could easily go to any athlete's head. She likely did not appreciate why Oscar de la Hoya pushed that -- his bitterness and on-going, one-sided attack on Money Mayweather.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
12. Many feel she will never fight again
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:18 PM
Nov 2015

She's doing movies and has plenty of money. Wouldn't be surprised if she walked away.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
13. Michael Spinks did.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:23 AM
Nov 2015

There were boxing fans who were convinced that it owed it to them to make a comeback After Iron Mike devastated him in one round. The guy had won an Olympic and two professional world titles. And made millions!

If he had decided to continue, I'd have certainly watched him fight. But I was happy that he decided to move on to a new phase of his life.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
8. As somebody who was injured in a martial arts event
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:00 PM
Nov 2015

It took me a hell of a lot longer to get over the emotional impact than it did to heal from the concussion.

And while being a capoeirista is important to how I define myself, it isn't my job.

And I'm reasonably sure that I'm a guy.

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