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Sun Sep 5, 2021, 07:46 PM Sep 2021

Next to Tesla, Plug-In Hybrids Are an Illusion of Eco-Consciousness

AS I WAS RAGING NORTH toward Switzerland in the 986-hp Ferrari SF90 Stradale in July, I was feeling pretty good about myself. After all, I was saving the Earth. The Stradale is a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV)—powered by a twin-turbo V8 (about 780 hp) assisted by three electric motors and a lithium-ion battery pack. The idea is that Juan-Philippe Cliente, or his manservant, will plug in the Ferrari at night so that it may provide electric-only driving range in the morning. Notionally, the Stradale’s hybrid design will allow it to operate in European cities’ low-emission zones.

With its battery fully charged (7.9 kWH), the Stradale can achieve admirable efficiency of 51 mpg-e, according to the EPA. But penny-pinchers need to check the fine print. That applies only to the first 8 miles. Practically within sight of my hotel in Maranello, Italy, the Stradale had devolved into its baser, grumbling, gas-powered nature—albeit with a kind of Prius-of-the-gods electric torque assist.

The Stradale has plenty of company in Crazytown. The PHEV version of the Bentley Bentayga can waft silently only about 18 miles, officially; the Jeep Wrangler 4xe, 21. Porsche Cayenne E-Hybrid, 17. These short electric legs—combined with powerful internal combustion (IC) engines—do almost nothing to improve overall fuel efficiency. Why do manufacturers even bother? Like most PHEVs—only slightly more so—the Stradale is a compliance baby, with a powertrain designed to meet soaring vehicle emissions/consumption requirements in major vehicle markets, using de minimis electrical systems added to IC powertrains. In some respects PHEVs are a technical echo of a time not long ago—2010—when such machines were being showered with public money and held to wildly unrigorous standards.

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In November the environmental pressure group Transport & Environment published a study of the emissions of the popular BMW X5, Mitsubishi Outlander, and Volvo XC60 plugins. The study observed that, even with a fully charged battery and in optimal conditions, the emissions of these vehicles were 28-89% higher than the official value. In cases when the battery went flat, emissions jumped three to eight times higher than listed. And, as when a PHEV runs the gas engine hard to charge the battery, the report says emissions were up to 12 times higher.

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You might be wondering how it all could have gone so wrong for PHEV, a powertrain architecture that once seemed so logical as to be inevitable? In brief, there are two kinds of PHEVs: short-range and long-range. PHEVs with more than about 37 miles of EV range—like the Chevrolet Volt (2011-2019)—do meaningfully displace gasoline-driven miles, reduce emissions and save consumers money, according to a 2019 report by UC Davis International EV Policy Council. But short-range PHEVs—the vast preponderance on the market—don’t, except in limited conditions. Why? It’s behavioral. Studies show that the shorter a vehicle’s all-EV range, the less likely owners are to bother charging overnight. And, when owners don’t charge overnight, PHEVs calculations of efficiency go upside down in the morning. Actually, a short-range PHEV with a flat battery is lugging around a lot of useless weight.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-plug-in-hybrids-are-an-illusion-of-eco-consciousness-11630688831 (subscription)

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Next to Tesla, Plug-In Hybrids Are an Illusion of Eco-Consciousness (Original Post) question everything Sep 2021 OP
Thanks for the tip. I never knew this about PHEVs. brush Sep 2021 #1
No they are not. The article picks the wrong cars, the volt, Clarity, rav4 prime, and some other JohnSJ Sep 2021 #2
Is it the 'wrong' ones? Or were they the exact 'right' ones? nt Hugh_Lebowski Sep 2021 #4
Terrible article. Volt, Prius and Insight get GREAT mileage kysrsoze Sep 2021 #3
Most hybrids are also ultra low emissions. JohnSJ Sep 2021 #5
That is a stupid article Laurelin Sep 2021 #6

brush

(53,759 posts)
1. Thanks for the tip. I never knew this about PHEVs.
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 08:15 PM
Sep 2021

It's all image, they just go a few miles per charge?

That's phony.

JohnSJ

(92,115 posts)
2. No they are not. The article picks the wrong cars, the volt, Clarity, rav4 prime, and some other
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 08:51 PM
Sep 2021

PHEV get a minimum of 40 to 60 miles on all electric without the ICE kicking in

They are not an illusion

It depends on your comute

Unless I travel a very long distance, I go months without using a drop of gas

and it is even better if the comute destinations have chargers

What is the illusion is that 80% of electricity produced in the US is generated from fossil fuels, and until that changes, it is all an illusion

In addyeven the hybrids and PHEV when the switch to hybrid mode they have ultra low emissions, which are still better for the environment than a pure ICE



kysrsoze

(6,019 posts)
3. Terrible article. Volt, Prius and Insight get GREAT mileage
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 09:43 PM
Sep 2021

I own a full electric, but hybrid options are nothing to poke fun of, unless you’re talking about a Ferrari or something aimilar. Those hybrids are for nothing but additional boost on top of the gas-hog engines.

Laurelin

(518 posts)
6. That is a stupid article
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 03:47 AM
Sep 2021

I own a Prius Prime. Most of my driving is on the battery. When I lived in Austin and drove over 26,000 miles/ year I filled up twice a month. (I am not sure about the tank size, 11 or 12 gallons. I never get below 1/4 tank before refueling).. Since I moved to the Netherlands 27 months ago I have filled up three times. Last time was on half a tank. I haven't bothered to calculate the mpg for my car.

Edir: I Googled the gas tank size. 11.3 gallons. So in over two years my car has used less than 30 gallons of gas.

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