Holders Germany struggling in World Cup

[muriel_volestrangler]

0-1 down to Sweden at half time; since they lost the Mexico in the 1st game, and Mexico won today, Germany will be eliminated if they lose today.

[Ron Obvious]

1. And if you can't remember the last time that happened...

it's not surprising because the last time Germany failed to get out of the group was 1938.

This Germany are awful in defence, though. And it really should have been 2-0 because Sweden should have had a penalty.

This is the worst German side I've ever seen.

[muriel_volestrangler]

2. Oooh - Germany down to 10 men for the last 10 minutes!

[Ron Obvious]

3. Boateng has been awful today. n/t

[T_i_B]

4. .........and Germany win 2-1!

Last gasp dramatic winner from Herr Kroos.

[Ron Obvious]

5. Mexico with 2 wins not yet through; Korea with 2 losses not yet out.

This is crazy. We could still wind up with 3 countries with 6 points (Mex, Ger, Swe) and Kor with 0. Or we could wind up with 3 countries with 3 points (Ger, Swe, Kor) and Mex with 9.

Assuming Germany will beat Korea by a few, if Sweden beat Mexico 1-0, both Sweden and Mexico would have identical records: 6 points, and 3-2 goal difference.

I'm assuming the next tie breaker is head-to-head, favouring Sweden but is it? Anybody know? Fair play table?

[muriel_volestrangler]

6. Goals scored comes before head-to-head

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TIEBREAKERS

If two or more teams are level on points, they are separated using this tiebreaker system

1. Goal difference
2. Goals scored
3. Head-to-head points
4. Head-to-head goal difference
5. Head-to-head goals scored
6. Fair play points
7. Drawing of lots

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/fifa-world-cup/4/blog/post/3535353/world-cup-group-permutations-who-can-qualify-for-the-round-of-16

(I can't see how 3,4 and 5 are different. If you win, you win them all; if you draw, you draw them all. Maybe it's a leftover from the qualifying stages when there were home and away meetings that could be different, between 3 and 4 anyway)

Which is good news for Belgium, having scored 8 in their first 2 matches. That means England need to beat Panama 6-1 to draw level with them down to "fair play points", or 6-0 to go ahead. 5-0 and we'd still be behind, and needing to beat Belgium to win the group. On the plus side, they say there's no 'must avoid' team from Group H, so winning the group isn't that important.

But then ... with England 5-0 ahead at half time against Panama, suddenly it looks like England can pull ahead of Belgium.

[Ron Obvious]

8. And fair play it is...

Which will make for a very gentlemanlike England-Belgium, or amusingly, attempts by both sides to lose in order to wind up on the easier half of the draw.

[muriel_volestrangler]

9. England's is the very last group to finish

so they'll have the chance to take second if they'd rather. I suspect it'll be impossible to work out what would be worth it - there are possibilities of Brazil or Germany in the quarter finals. I looks quite possible those 2 could meet in the group of 16 round.

[a la izquierda]

7. I got to watch from Frankfurt last night.

The crowd went completely and totally bananas at the Kroos goal. It was a fun train ride home, lots of singing and drinking.