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rug

(82,333 posts)
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 06:26 PM Feb 2014

Is religious ignorance rational?

By Ilya Somin
February 6 at 2:30 pm

At the Times of Israel website, Israeli writer Avi Woolf uses my work on rational political ignorance to try to shed light on public ignorance about religion, particularly among Jews:

(M)y experience tells me that a focused NJPS-style survey of Jews’ knowledge of Jewish history and religion would reveal large if not enormous gaps in said knowledge, regardless of whether the Jews are Orthodox, secular or anything in between.

-snip -

As Woolf recognizes, ignorance about religion is far from an exclusively Jewish phenomenon. Surveys show widespread religious ignorance among adherents of most other faiths as well.

I agree with Woolf that there are important commonalities between religious ignorance and political ignorance. Much ignorance about religion clearly is rational for exactly the reason he indicates: Most people don’t have the interest, time, or expertise needed to learn as much about religion as clergy or theologians do. At the same time, ignorance about religion is in some ways less rational than ignorance about politics. For the individual voter, there is only a tiny chance that his political knowledge will make any difference to electoral outcomes. By contrast, individuals seeking salvation have good reason to learn about religion, regardless of whether others choose to do so or not.

If believing in the right faith or following the right religious laws is the road to eternal salvation, then there is a huge potential payoff to learning about religion. It’s more than just a matter of life or death. Life after death could be at stake too! There is also good reason to study religion even if you don’t care about eternal life, but just want to be a good and moral person. It could turn out that the only way to achieve that is to follow the dictates of a particular faith.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/02/06/is-religious-ignorance-rational/
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Is religious ignorance rational? (Original Post) rug Feb 2014 OP
Learning about religion - quickly sends you to war with the other religions, it seems Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #1
People are lazy. The simple answer is easier than the detailed one to grasp. Ignorance is bliss. Leontius Feb 2014 #2
Why even touch anything as obviously unclean as traditional religion? Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #3
Because religion, whether you like it or not, plays a critical role in politics. cbayer Feb 2014 #4
Since 96% of your posts are in the Religion Group, you must have those answers. rug Feb 2014 #5
The Religion Group of course includes those who support it - and those who warn about it Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #6
So you are not here to discuss but to evangelize. rug Feb 2014 #7
"Calling down warnings" - I think that is perfectly fitting. cbayer Feb 2014 #8
But it was OK for Jeremiah? And Jesus? And ...Buddha? And ... Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #9
You are not Jeremiah, Jesus or Buddha. cbayer Feb 2014 #10
And now you understand part of how AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #11
I never did not understand that. What makes you think that I didn't? cbayer Feb 2014 #12
Then your objection doesn't make sense to me. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #13
Excuse me, what two positions are not equal? cbayer Feb 2014 #14
The alleged people you called out and Brettongarcia's position. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #15
What people did I call out? cbayer Feb 2014 #16
Sorry, alleged people you agreed to the scope of. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #17
Not to worry. cbayer Feb 2014 #18

Brettongarcia

(2,262 posts)
1. Learning about religion - quickly sends you to war with the other religions, it seems
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 06:31 PM
Feb 2014

ISRAEL is a model for how useful religion is?

Part of the logic of this piece seems to be Pascal's Wager. Pascal suggested that believing in God was a good bet. If there is no God, nothing is lost. And if there is one, you are saved.

But there are problems with Pascal's reasoning. What if your belief is in a false and destructive sense of God? And that belief causes you to behave badly and destructively, all your life? For a god that does not exist.

 

Leontius

(2,270 posts)
2. People are lazy. The simple answer is easier than the detailed one to grasp. Ignorance is bliss.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:48 PM
Feb 2014

Learning is hard. What time is (your reality or talent show here) on?

Brettongarcia

(2,262 posts)
3. Why even touch anything as obviously unclean as traditional religion?
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:44 AM
Feb 2014

Why deliberately walk into an endless bog of delusions and lies, defended by endless sophistries?

Why walk straight into the trap?

Just walk around it. And don't look back.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
4. Because religion, whether you like it or not, plays a critical role in politics.
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:04 AM
Feb 2014

To remain ignorant of religion is, well, ignorant.

You can pretend it's not there, but your ability to understand what is happening will be deeply flawed.

Brettongarcia

(2,262 posts)
6. The Religion Group of course includes those who support it - and those who warn about it
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 04:15 PM
Feb 2014

Those who have escaped from the trap are calling down warnings to those about to step in. Or those who don't know how to get out.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
7. So you are not here to discuss but to evangelize.
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 05:06 PM
Feb 2014

You're a regular Jeremiah.



Save your breath. It's as obnoxious as the door knockers.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
8. "Calling down warnings" - I think that is perfectly fitting.
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 11:27 AM
Feb 2014

You seem to think you have found a higher place, a superior position. You, of course, have escaped and are in the noble and righteous process of rescuing the poor sheeple who remain trapped and ignorant.

Do you have any idea at all how completely arrogant that is and how unlikely it is to move you anywhere near your stated goal?

Brettongarcia

(2,262 posts)
9. But it was OK for Jeremiah? And Jesus? And ...Buddha? And ...
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 12:13 PM
Feb 2014

And in effect, all the contributors to DU. All of whom come to offer their perspective, among other things.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
10. You are not Jeremiah, Jesus or Buddha.
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 12:22 PM
Feb 2014

Offering your perspective is one thing. Taking such a superior position is quite another…

and very off-putting.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
11. And now you understand part of how
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:57 PM
Feb 2014

people like us feel about the three concepts in your subject line.

Telling me I need to be 'saved' or else, is an arrogant, superior position as well. One religion is FOUNDED on that principle, and I am met with exhortations of that sort from them every damn day in one venue or another.

So we're all just a big festival of off-putting then, right?

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
12. I never did not understand that. What makes you think that I didn't?
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:01 PM
Feb 2014

I don't like it any better than you do. And I don't like it if done by a believer or non-believer.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
13. Then your objection doesn't make sense to me.
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:34 PM
Feb 2014

It assumes some sort of equality between the two positions. They are intrinsically not equal.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
17. Sorry, alleged people you agreed to the scope of.
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 03:23 PM
Feb 2014

Rug brought up jeremiah. You seemed to agree to the two additions.

(My bad, when I scanned back up the thread, I didn't notice the transition from Rug to you.)

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