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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 03:19 AM Aug 2014

Politics of American churches & religions in one graph

http://tobingrant.religionnews.com/2014/08/27/politics-american-churches-religions-one-graph/


Mapping out the politics of religions and churches in the United States Created by Corner of Church & State, and RNS blog

What are the political positions of religions and churches in America? This new graph maps the ideologies of 44 different religious groups using data comes from Pew’s Religious Landscape survey. This survey included 32,000 respondents. It asked very specific questions on religion that allow us to find out the precise denomination, church, or religion of each person.

How to read the graph


Each circle represents a denomination, church, or religion. There are several circles for types of Americans with no religion: self-identified “atheist”, self-identified “agnostic”, and those who say that have “no religion in particular”.

The size of the circle represents the relative size of the religion in the United States. For very small groups, I put them in groups with other similar churches. In these cases, the circle represents collections of similar churches, e.g., nondenominational evangelicals, all Baptists who aren’t in one of the larger denominations, or all Hindus. The decision for how specific to make the circle was based on the size of the group in the survey.

The color of the circle indicates the religious tradition of the group: evangelical Protestant (historically white), Mainline Protestant (historically white), historically black Protestant, Catholic, a catch-all category for other Christian groups, all other religions, and those with no religion. (yes, there are some disagreements about whether some groups should be coded as evangelical (e.g., Seventh Day Adventist) or even Christian or not (e.g., Jehovah’s Witness). We can debate these decisions in a future post.

- See more at: http://tobingrant.religionnews.com/2014/08/27/politics-american-churches-religions-one-graph/#sthash.ewezke5m.dpuf
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Politics of American churches & religions in one graph (Original Post) cbayer Aug 2014 OP
Bookmarked. This is very interesting. PotatoChip Aug 2014 #1
The interesting blank area: rather high government help, with less religious moral enforcement Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #2
I'm not sure that I understand your question. PotatoChip Aug 2014 #3
"the larger majority left leaning" (of Catholics)? They're the large circle in the centre muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #4
That circle seems to lean more toward bigger government, more services; PotatoChip Aug 2014 #5
It's clearly above centre; if it is to the left, it's by a pixel, no more muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #6
To my eye, it's "slightly above center", just as you said in post #4 PotatoChip Aug 2014 #7
Catholics: 48% Democratic/Lean Democratic vs. 33% Republican/Lean Republican PotatoChip Aug 2014 #11
National total: 47% Democratic/Lean Democratic vs. 36% Republican/Lean Republican muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #12
Glad you enjoyed it. cbayer Aug 2014 #10
Just as a warning- Some of it is cringe-worthy. PotatoChip Aug 2014 #15
They are, to me, a very mysterious group. cbayer Aug 2014 #17
Good. I hope you enjoy it! (nt) PotatoChip Aug 2014 #20
Everything in the upper right quadrant makes me shake my damn head. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #8
Not necessarily 'protection' by government - they can do it by community shaming, muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #13
Good point. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #14
That was what I thought it meant as well. cbayer Aug 2014 #18
A lot of them would prefer community witch hunts, stonings, hangings, etc. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #19
According to that chart agnostics are a bunch of rw-liberloons while atheists are left-libertarians Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #9
Me too. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #16
Progressive Baptists have you beat. rug Aug 2014 #24
Unitarians, the only religious group more egalitarian and libertarian than atheists! carolinayellowdog Aug 2014 #21
I thought that was interesting as well. cbayer Aug 2014 #22
Hooray for the inherent worth and dignity of every individual Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #23

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
1. Bookmarked. This is very interesting.
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 05:39 AM
Aug 2014

I'm not surprised to see Catholics going either way; with the larger majority left leaning. There are the Paul Ryan types, of course... But anecdotally, there are also lots of very Catholic towns/small cities in my state whose voter registrations are overwhelmingly Dem. Most of the folks in these towns are of French Canadian origin.

Anabaptists don't surprise me either. But what I find interesting about them, (and I'm speaking of the Amish/Mennonite types in particular) is how they manage to live with very little outside government involvement... Nearly everything about their way of life is communal. No one family would be able to survive without the others. At least not very easily. But together, the do remarkably well. On work/financial matters especially, their way of living closely resembles Marxian economic structures. Their society is not at all the rugged individualist, anti-government Libertarian "utopia" one might think it would be.

Off topic somewhat, but- a couple of months ago, I came across an excellent documentary the BBC did on an Amish family who broke with tradition by allowing the crew to film them. It is titled 'The Amish: A Secret Life'. Have you seen it? It was so interesting, that curiosity drove me on to find more YouTube videos about the Amish in general.

It is well worth the time (in my opinion) if you can spare it:



Sorry to have gotten a little off track here...

Brettongarcia

(2,262 posts)
2. The interesting blank area: rather high government help, with less religious moral enforcement
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 05:50 AM
Aug 2014

Where the culture is actually going....

It's the secular, not religious trend?

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
3. I'm not sure that I understand your question.
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 06:07 AM
Aug 2014

What do you mean by religious moral enforcement- in this context?

ETA- Never mind, I see what you are saying now. Yes, that does appear to be the case, overall.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
4. "the larger majority left leaning" (of Catholics)? They're the large circle in the centre
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 07:47 AM
Aug 2014

(slightly above centre, I suppose), not 'left leaning'.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
5. That circle seems to lean more toward bigger government, more services;
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 09:31 AM
Aug 2014

arguably, a left of center economic stance...

In my opinion, most people, religious or not, tend to gravitate toward a political ideology that better reflects their economic interests. Remember Bill Clinton's "it's the economy, stupid" remark?... That continues to hold true among a majority of RCs in my state. Nationwide, as the chart demonstrates, slightly more than 50% of RCs also lean in that direction.

Additionally, while there will always be exceptions, most Maine RCs lean toward a JFK-style, social justice political ideology, while staying moderate and sometimes even left leaning on 'morality' issues. They would fall onto the 'less [government] involvement protecting morality' side of that chart. My congressman Mike Michaud is a perfect example of what I mean. He is a gay, pro-choice RC, who hopefully will be elected Governor come November. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Michaud

I agree that nationally, the circle is slightly above center on 'morality'. However, in my humble opinion, economic issues trump that slight advantage politically speaking, thus making Catholics left leaning overall.

Most Catholics in my state are left leaning Dems, but if anyone has stats on Catholics nationwide, (by party affiliation or left/right self identification) I'd love to see them...

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
6. It's clearly above centre; if it is to the left, it's by a pixel, no more
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 09:40 AM
Aug 2014

You can see where the centre lines marked 50% are, can't you?

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
7. To my eye, it's "slightly above center", just as you said in post #4
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 09:57 AM
Aug 2014

and slightly to the left too, although less obviously so than above center.

My point still stands.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
11. Catholics: 48% Democratic/Lean Democratic vs. 33% Republican/Lean Republican
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 12:35 PM
Aug 2014

10%- Independent
9%- Don't know/refused

According to: Pew Research- Religion and Public Life Project
http://religions.pewforum.org/portraits

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
12. National total: 47% Democratic/Lean Democratic vs. 36% Republican/Lean Republican
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 12:41 PM
Aug 2014

They're in the centre, within the margin of error.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
10. Glad you enjoyed it.
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 12:30 PM
Aug 2014

I didn't find any big surprises, but had never seen it laid out like this before.

I would love to watch this documentary. I can't stream right now, but will put it on my list for when I can.

Thanks!

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
15. Just as a warning- Some of it is cringe-worthy.
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 12:52 PM
Aug 2014

Even for me, as a believer... That family is waaaay out there on the upper right side of the chart.

Otoh, there is something strangely appealing about the simplicity of their lives. Also, it is a very well done documentary. I loved the music in it too.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
17. They are, to me, a very mysterious group.
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 12:58 PM
Aug 2014

I have spent a little time in areas of the country where they reside, but the depth of their privacy is pretty astounding. I felt as if they tolerated my presence, but that was about it.

Documentaries like this are top of my list. Will definitely save it.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
8. Everything in the upper right quadrant makes me shake my damn head.
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 10:36 AM
Aug 2014

You want smaller government, but more government 'protection of morality'...

Bwuh?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
13. Not necessarily 'protection' by government - they can do it by community shaming,
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 12:44 PM
Aug 2014

outcasting, boycotting - that sort of thing. Like refusing service, or employment, to gay people. That, to them, is 'religious freedom'.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
14. Good point.
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 12:52 PM
Aug 2014

I was thinking more of the 'of course government can regulate what goes on in your bedroom' santorum-types.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
19. A lot of them would prefer community witch hunts, stonings, hangings, etc.
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 01:00 PM
Aug 2014

They long for the good old days circa 1500 C.E. They are our version of the Taliban.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
9. According to that chart agnostics are a bunch of rw-liberloons while atheists are left-libertarians
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 11:33 AM
Aug 2014

I can live with that

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
21. Unitarians, the only religious group more egalitarian and libertarian than atheists!
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 05:04 PM
Aug 2014

I'm in! Seriously DO feel more at home among agnostics who like to sing hymns than among atheists who hate all trappings of religion.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
22. I thought that was interesting as well.
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 05:05 PM
Aug 2014

The UU's are really attracting a lot of liberals and progressives these days, whether they are believers or non-believers.

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