The Whine Of The Never Satisfied

[SecularMotion]

Religious Right Complains Because GOP Isn’t Theocratic Enough

Every couple of years, a story surfaces in the media about Religious Right leaders and their latest whine-fest. The script goes like this: They’re not happy because they still haven’t gotten everything they want.

Mind you, this is a movement that has the Republican Party more or less in a headlock. Over the years, its leaders have systematically driven every moderate from the party’s national leadership. No serious Republican presidential contender can hope for success without coming to some accommodation with the Religious Right. Movement activists are an influential, if not controlling, force in many state branches of the GOP.

Yet its leaders still are not happy.

The latest version of the Religious Right mope-a-thon comes courtesy of The Washington Post, which on Sunday ran a story headlined “Some evangelicals in Republican Party are feeling left out, see no standard-bearer.”

https://www.au.org/blogs/wall-of-separation/the-whine-of-the-never-satisfied-religious-right-complains-because-gop-isn

[cbayer]

1. Yep, and they are getting more unhappy all the time.

Keep your ears open for some major whining as the republican party implodes after a serious religious division this coming election season.

We still need to work harder at the state and local level, but I really think their national power is receding.

Really good article on this.

[AtheistCrusader]

3. I wonder if it'll be whining about how the Republican party isn't environmentally friendly enough.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA

oh fuck, my spleen!

[cbayer]

5. Yes, fuck your spleen. I hope that that cry is from ecstasy and not pain.

[AtheistCrusader]

7. It has ceased responding to all inquiries. Good job. You killed it.

[cbayer]

8. I killed your spleen?

It's a good thing you don't really need it.

[AtheistCrusader]

9. You really should include some sort of warning when you post somthing so funny.

Someone could get seriously hurt. Do you have any idea how much a hernia hurts?

I need to stretch before I laugh like that.

[cbayer]

10. I'm not sure which part you found funny.

Your sense of humor is rather odd at times.

[AtheistCrusader]

11. You and I were literally just discussing the religious element of the republican party and environme

ntalism. I was using that horde of evangelicals (specifically but not limited to the majority sects of Protestantism, and of course not universal, my mom is a protestant and not a republican, but her faith doesn't inform her worldview on environmentalism either..) to show that there isn't much left outside that bubble, to be considered a 'strong movement'.

Basically my point is, you take away what can be identified as republican, and anti-environment, and what do you have left? Can it be considered a 'strong movement'?

In my estimate, no. Yet you transitioned to this thread without an apparent blink, and didn't see the correlation to my original point.
Laughing wasn't helpful, but I couldn't help myself.

[cbayer]

12. You need to check the time stamps.

The only thing I find funny here is the assumptions you made about the sequence of things.

[AtheistCrusader]

13. Hmm.

I see, we started that other conversation prior, but the data I supplied came an hour after your post here.

Mea culpa.

[cbayer]

17. No problem. I can see why you might find it funny it they had been

going on at the same time, I guess. But it's really two completely different topics.

BTW, there are some evangelicals that post here. They are very liberal. You can not equate it with the religious right.

[AtheistCrusader]

18. Well, I try not to make it an absolute.

As I mentioned, my mom is a protestant, but she is not conservative. There is always exceptions. It would be impossible to equate them. Without re-visiting the links I supplied, I think environmentalism was important to some mid-30's percent of white mainline protestants.

mid-30's is large, we're talking millions of people, but does that constitute a strong movement? I wouldn't accept that characterization, especially and particularly because of the word 'movement'. Having a poll-reflected interest in an issue, doesn't translate into a movement, in my mind. That's activism+following, and if that existed in that demographic, we'd see the number of white mainline protestants in the Tea Party specifically, shrinking. It's going up, based on the 2012 PEW data. Not shrinking.

That translates into a retrograde movement, in my mind.

It wasn't so much 'strong' that I objected to, it was the combination of strong and movement, which means, to me, conversationally on a political discussion board, something like the tea party itself, or occupy, or that sort of thing. Leadership+following+measurable impact. The tea party, sadly, has that. I don't see an evangelical environmentalist movement with those three components.

(Measurable impact meaning, credibly contributing to winning elections and passing initiatives.)

[cbayer]

19. Enough with the strong, already.

Jeez. I gave it up already. Let. it. go.

If it's a movement you want, then why don't you try to find some in your area and offer to work with them. I bet there are some in your area that would welcome your involvement.

Did you know Rachel Carson was an evangelical, btw?

[AtheistCrusader]

20. I'm not trying to berate you about that, just explaining why I objected.

Marine biology is something 'on the list' for later in life. I currently live in the mountains. At some point, that will change, and I'll have more time to apply energy and focus.

I love the sea, but I can't really see it from here.

[cbayer]

21. I have no idea what you are talking about with the marine biology reference.

[AtheistCrusader]

22. You asked me about Rachel Carson.

I had to look her up, sad to say. I should have known who she was. Not my current area of concentration.

[cbayer]

23. Rachel Carson's environmentalism went far beyond marine biology.

Silent Spring was written way before it's time.

[AtheistCrusader]

24. Before mine as well. :D

Blind spot in my environmentalist history.

[Arkansas Granny]

2. They talk about our "great nation" and "patriotism" and all that, but what they really want

for this country is a theocracy, as long as it's based on their interpretation of gawd's word.

[gtar100]

4. I shutter to think what they would be satisfied with.

Dark Ages 2.0? Laws against blasphemy? Shackles and chains for non-believers?

I think the truth is they don't really know what they want. Dissatisfaction is all they have. They are dissatisfied with the life they have and are constantly seeking something else. Hence, the promise of heaven that gives them something to live for never realizing it's a mask for their secret death wish driven by their desire to an end to their dissatisfaction.

[cbayer]

6. I agree that they don't really seem to know what it is they want.

They want to be in charge, I think. They want a world where they get to make all the rules.

Their positions are born of prejudice and ignorance. They are fighting against things they don't even understand.

But the political powers that be see that as a great opportunity and have used it very, very effectively.

[libodem]

14. If those assholes want to live in an Authoritarian Theocracy

They need to move their stupid asses to Israel. Preferably somewhere near Gaza.


They can bask in the glory there. Apparently our Plutocracy isn't good enough for 'em.

[libodem]

15. No

Saudi Arabia would suit them better.

[libodem]

16. Thought it over

They can move to Hell. Satan runs a tight ship with no room for free agency. Yes. They can go to Hell.